Am I The Only One Who Hated Season 6?

[ByandBy]

I want to start out by apologizing for the long post I have been thinking a lot about this season and what I wanted to say I'm sure I'm about to make a lot of people mad that is not my intension I'm just posting my thoughts on this season so here I go.

I can not stand season 6 I just finished watching it again with my husband per his request and I have the same feelings I originally had watching this season I find the Buffy/Spike relationship incomprehensible and disgusting.
Buffy has always been my least favorite character in the series I did not hate her I just chose to ignore her rudeness, complete self involvement, and basically b*tchy attitude because after all she is the slayer the chosen one.
However after watching season 6 I can not stand Buffy and I have mixed feelings when it comes to the scoobies. As far as I'm concerned the series should have ended with the season 5 finale.

I will start with the scoobies: Xander never liked Angel or Spike but he never hit Angel or talked trash to Angel and was never rude towards Angel so why is he to Spike? is it because he knows Spike can not do anything to him?
ok Angel killed Jenny Calendar in season 2 and Giles forgave him(?) and then even helped him when he came back in season 3 in fact they all forgave him and got over it and treated him just like they did in season one. It was like all was forgiven I just do not see where the evil things Spike has done is any worse than what Angel has done so why do the scoobies treat Angel so great and Spike so Disdainful?

Now on to Season 6:
Towards the end of season five it appeared the scoobies had accepted Spike or at least accepted him as much as they ever would it also appeared that Buffy and Spike had come to an understanding where he realized Buffy did not love him and would never love him but she treated him with respect and he was okay with that they all helped each other out and appeared to have some kind of truce when season 6 started they were all working together Spike included Spike also watched Dawn etc. but as soon as Buffy is brought back they turn on Spike and treat him like trash all of them. and I do not understand why they always treat him like this. I know at this point Spike still does not have a soul but he has done so many good things and has helped them alot and continues to do so even after Buffy has died It seems to me after everything the scoobies forgave/got over Angel doing they could have acted differently towards Spike.

Anyways back to season 6 the first few episodes are okay in my opinion not great but okay but OMWF is where my opinion of season 6 and Buffy starts to turn. In OMWF Spike basically tells Buffy to stop visiting him he doesn't want to play her games anymore and if she cant love him leave him alone but at the end of this episode she kisses him so at this point she starts to lead him on (I think this is the episode that gives him hope that Buffy has feelings for him and she may start to love him) in the episode Tabula Rasa Spike wants to talk about their kiss and Buffy blows him off again at the end of the episode Buffy seeks Spike out after he turned to leave the bronze after she basically ignores him when he is standing there looking at her and again she initiates another kissing session at the bronze again leading him on further
Then in Smashed at the beginning Spike tries to talk to Buffy about what has been happening between them with the kissing she ends up punching him unprovoked and calling him an evil disgusting thing because as she points out he has no soul Buffy then initiates sex at the end of the episode This is the point where I'm totally unable to stand Buffy there is no question Spike loves Buffy and she could care less in fact she makes it clear she regards him as nothing. (I know we as viewers are suppose to feel sorry for Buffy and what she is going threw in her life however I could care less) also in this episode we find out Spike could kill Buffy as his chip no longer works on her I do not see what keeps him from killing her other than he loves her I mean really the others do not know his chip does not work on Buffy so he could have killed her and got away with it and sometimes I really wish he would have (Yeah I know I'm setting myself up to be bashed but I do not care Im just voicing my opinion) I do enjoy the interaction between Xander and Spike in the episode Gone in which Spike is having sex with an invisible Buffy and Xander comes in that scene is hilarious.

Dead Things is the episode I have the biggest problem with and the episode makes me totally hate Buffy with a passion the alley scene is revolting the way Buffy beats Spike when he tries to stop her from turning herself in for a murder she did not commit she is telling him he is a dirty evil disgusting thing with no soul but in my opinion Buffy's action are disgusting she has a soul and she beats someone who loves her so brutally Spike is not fighting back he just takes the beating then she just leaves him in the alley after she realizes what she has done and she has no remorse what so ever I do not care what anyone says if Spike was totally evil he would have killed her here I know I would have and her beating him is never touched on again no one ever forgives him for the horrible things he has done in his past but Buffy and the scoobies can do what ever horrendous things they see fit and it is always okay.

The scene in as you were when Buffy wants Spike to tell her he loves her and wants her is heart breaking because I believe he truly loves her and she wants to hear this to make herself feel better because as usual its always about Buffy and what Buffy wants.
The episode Entropy is okay I do not like how everyone is mad at Spike for sleeping with Anya I mean Anya made her own decision to sleep with him it wasn't like Spike made Anya sleep with him I find Buffy's reaction to the situation horrifying she has been telling him to move on she can not and does not love him then when it appears he is she gets all p*ssed about it and I can not stand Dawns conversation with Spike how dare she make Spike feel bad for sleeping with Anya I mean Buffy has been telling him all along he is an evil disgusting thing he is beneath her and she wants nothing to do with him.
And finally Seeing Red the attempted rape scene I too agree rape is a terrible thing and no one deserves to be raped however I agree with the others who have stated that Spike did not go to her house to rape her I believe he wanted to apologize for sleeping with Anya (why he wanted to apologize is beyond me) I believe he lost control Buffy's mind games, mixed signals, and treatment of him, did a number on him and he finally broke. I by no means think his actions were right but I do understand he had a breaking point and he finally reached it. It seems to me Buffy, Giles and the scoobies always treat Spike so terrible because he has no soul however they all have a soul and their actions in my opinion are just as bad as his are because they have souls but still they do horrendous things but they are always saying how disgusting Spike is.

 

[Wiccaness]

Id have to disagree with you (i guess you saw it coming, dont worry my bashing isnt that bad =)...)i like S6.

I will start with the scoobies: Xander never liked Angel or Spike but he never hit Angel or talked trash to Angel and was never rude towards Angel so why is he to Spike? is it because he knows Spike can not do anything to him?
ok Angel killed Jenny Calendar in season 2 and Giles forgave him(?) and then even helped him when he came back in season 3 in fact they all forgave him and got over it and treated him just like they did in season one. It was like all was forgiven I just do not see where the evil things Spike has done is any worse than what Angel has done so why do the scoobies treat Angel so great and Spike so Disdainful?

i think it was like this with them because when Angel did all those things he wasnt Angel he was Angelus. Him losing his fault wasnt his fault and they knew that Angel really didnt have anything to do with it,
but it did take some time for them to trust him again,
for example, when he went for help to giles, giles didnt invite him in till he had a crossbow in his hands.

Now on to Season 6:
Towards the end of season five it appeared the scoobies had accepted Spike or at least accepted him as much as they ever would it also appeared that Buffy and Spike had come to an understanding where he realized Buffy did not love him and would never love him but she treated him with respect and he was okay with that they all helped each other out and appeared to have some kind of truce when season 6 started they were all working together Spike included Spike also watched Dawn etc. but as soon as Buffy is brought back they turn on Spike and treat him like trash all of them. and I do not understand why they always treat him like this.

Thats not all true, the only people that give him hard time is the ones that gave it to him since the beggining, and its mostly Xander and Giles, not every one,

I know at this point Spike still does not have a soul but he has done so many good things and has helped them alot and continues to do so even after Buffy has died It seems to me after everything the scoobies forgave/got over Angel doing they could have acted differently towards Spike.

once again, they for gave angel because he was angelus when he did all those things, Spike did do good things, but if he didnt have that chip in his head he wouldnt be helping,

Anyways back to season 6 the first few episodes are okay in my opinion not great but okay but OMWF is where my opinion of season 6 and Buffy starts to turn. In OMWF Spike basically tells Buffy to stop visiting him he doesn’t want to play her games anymore and if she cant love him leave him alone but at the end of this episode she kisses him so at this point she starts to lead him on (I think this is the episode that gives him hope that Buffy has feelings for him and she may start to love him)

Yes is does seem that she may be leading him on, but if spike said to stop visiting him then he should stay away as well, yes he did go see her to help her,but thats kinda making him a hypocrite,
i think that the kiss was just one of those momments, she was singing how she wanted the fire back and all that and with spike she would feel it, it might be just one of those momments, or she might have really have feelings for him and it came out at the moment who knows.

in the episode Tabula Rasa Spike wants to talk about their kiss and Buffy blows him off again at the end of the episode Buffy seeks Spike out after he turned to leave the bronze after she basically ignores him when he is standing there looking at her and again she initiates another kissing session at the bronze again leading him on further

i think buffy blows him off because she was either afraid or like she's said disgusted with her self.

also in this episode we find out Spike could kill Buffy as his chip no longer works on her I do not see what keeps him from killing her other than he loves her

Yes he does find out this and first thing he does is go all vamped out and try to kill a girl.

and yeah if it wasnt because he loved her he probably would have killed her, or if he wasnt to busy having sex with her...he started hitting her before that so he might have had planed to kill her.

Dead Things is the episode I have the biggest problem with and the episode makes me totally hate Buffy with a passion the alley scene is revolting the way Buffy beats Spike when he tries to stop her from turning herself in for a murder she did not commit she is telling him he is a dirty evil disgusting thing with no soul but in my opinion Buffy’s action are disgusting she has a soul and she beats someone who loves her so brutally Spike is not fighting back he just takes the beating

Buffy was doing what she thought was right, she thought she had killed a girl so she was going to turn her self in,

And if spike got beat up it also was kinda his fault, he laid there and took it he even told her

SPIKE: Come on, that's it, put it on me. Put it all on me.

The scene in as you were when Buffy wants Spike to tell her he loves her and wants her is heart breaking because I believe he truly loves her and she wants to hear this to make herself feel better because as usual its always about Buffy and what Buffy wants.

actually i think this parts just because Riley came back all married, not because shes self centered

The episode Entropy is okay I do not like how everyone is mad at Spike for sleeping with Anya I mean Anya made her own decision to sleep with him it wasn’t like Spike made Anya sleep with him I find Buffy’s reaction to the situation horrifying she has been telling him to move on she can not and does not love him then when it appears he is

Spike wasnt the only one that they were upset with, xander was pretty upset with anya herself,

she gets all p*ssed about it

correction she doesnt gets pist about it, she gets hurt, he only reason she goes to the magic shop is to stop Xander from.... here it comes, wait for it...from killing spike for sleeping with anya

and I can not stand Dawns conversation with Spike how dare she make Spike feel bad for sleeping with Anya

i dont think what dawn said to him was so bad , i dont think her intention was to make him feel bad i think she just wanted to know why he did that,

And finally Seeing Red the attempted rape scene I too agree rape is a terrible thing and no one deserves to be raped however I agree with the others who have stated that Spike did not go to her house to rape her I believe he wanted to apologize for sleeping with Anya I believe he lost control Buffy’s mind games, mixed signals, and treatment of him, did a number on him and he finally broke. I by no means think his actions were right but I do understand he had a breaking point and he finally reached it.

i disagree here big time, there was nothing going on to give him a breaking point, right before he tried to rape her they were talking about why buffy couldnt let xander kill spike, his the one that starts to get closer to her and tries to get her to feel it

It seems to me Buffy, Giles and the scoobies always treat Spike so terrible because he has no soul however they all have a soul and their actions in my opinion are just as bad as his are because they have souls but still they do horrendous things but they are always saying how disgusting Spike is.

ok from this i get the impression, correct me if im wrong, but your a big spike fan, most of the things here you dont like have something to do with spike, not the season, because there is so much more going on in S6, theres the whole Willow and Tara thing, the trio, Bad Willow, Anya, etc.

 

[Senior Watcher]

im not sure why season 6 gets a bad rap from people. i think its mainly because there was no big bad throughout the season. and no, i dont think the trio were in any way the 'big bad'.

it wasnt until the end of the season that the true villian came out, dark willow.

having said that, i have to state that i like season 6 very much. lots of issues were dealt with, lots of characters had major layers of depth added, and who can forget the best episode ever, "once more with feeling?!" i mean, come on! that was the best musical ever!

 

[TabulaRasa]

I think season 6 is brilliant. I have to admit I could have done without some of the sex scenes...they could have been done more lightly, but that is my opinion. Plenty of people love them. Doesn't at all make it bad in my eyes. Wiccaness pretty much covered everything I was going to say so that makes my job easier.

 

[definition of insane]

The whole Spuffy thing is, yes, sometimes hard to watch but if you look at the concept of season 6 as a whole it's not so bad.

Life sucks....basically wasn't that the crux of the season?

Buffy is all messed up from being brought back when it's obvious that she didn't want to. She tried to make herself feel better, using Spike, which only made her feel worse. Spike tries to redeem himself because he sees it as his only option, only to find that he can harm the one he loves and then instead uses that ability to hurt to his advantage. Xander kicks them when they're down (he's always done this), especially when he's feeling down. Anya ends up a woman scorned with but finally gets there's not a quick fix. Willow gets addicted. Dawn goes troubled teen....am I missing anything?

If singular elements happened further away from each other, would it make anything seem better than it was? It's life and it's not all hugs and puppies and everyone get's screwed over at some stage. It's a season of Buffy so it's dramatised and it's all encompassing and there's actual demons involved but there's so much character development in this season that it's just I couldn't hate it if I tried.

And basically Wiccaness has probably said everything else I could say. 🙂

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

OK this opening post shows a complete missing of the point of Season 6.

I can not stand .........I find the Buffy/Spike relationship incomprehensible and disgusting..........on 5 finale.

Could not disagree with you more

Note: I find the Buffy/Spike relationship incomprehensible and disgusting.

So does Buffy and if you rewatch Once More with Feeling the opening song pretty much tells you this is all about how she feels nothing because of where she has been and her relationship with Spike is part of that wanting to feel anything. It's better, in her mind, to feel disgust, hatred and self loathing than feel nothing at all.

I will start with the scoobies:...........Spike so Disdainful?

Giles never forgave Angel, he tolerated him because he understood that Angel was a useful ally, but even that came after his initial want to dispose of him. Also, do not forget Angel, for all his faults, had a soul, a conscience.
Xander barely even tolerated Angel. I don't know what show you watched but Xander often bad mouthed him, was the first to suggest Angel be killed and definitely wasn't scared of him.
Spike on the other hand was a Soulless demon. He had helped fight with the Scoobs, but at the end of the day, he was still a Vampire without a soul. The only one to treat Angel positively not including Buffy was Willow and Willow did the same with Spike.

Towards the end of season five...........towards Spike.

They had not accepted Spike, they understood, begrudgingly, that Spike could be an asset but the likes of Xander never lost focus of what he was.
Buffy did begin to realise that he was peculiar but before the OMWF stuff she really did confide in him as he was someone she could talk to.
This is where the line blurred for her.
She knew of his feelings for her and she wanted to feel something. She hated herself for it(not because it was Spike exactly but because it was a soulless demon) but at least she felt something. Spike isn't exactly clean in all this either. He was, after all, able to leave whenever he wanted. Buffy made it pretty darned clear what she was using him for and he still went back. It wasn't until he finally realised what was happening that things took a more dramatic turn.
You need to get over your 'Forgave Angel' stance because thats not what happened.

Anyways back to............invisible Buffy and Xander comes in that scene is hilarious.

She isn't quite leading him on, she is leading herself on. She is making herself believe that she is normal after being pulled out of Heaven, that she isn't just a hollow emotionless shell.
Spike epitomized everything she had fought against before her death and now he was the one that she could confide in. She loathed herself for what she was doing but couldn't stop because she needed it.
When Spike thought his Chip stopped working what is the first thing he tried to do?
Oh yeah, kill someone. Which confirms everything Xander believes - take away the chip and you still have the soulless beast.

Dead Things is the episode...........horrendous things they see fit and it is always okay.

Again point missed. Firstly, she believes she is guilty. Secondly she is looking at Spike and seeing the demon that only cares for himself(we know thats not true but this is what she sees) and sees what she has succumbed to. She is physically beating Spike, but what she is actually doing is attacking the part of her that is doing these things. It is very psychological - i'm just sorry you failed to understand this because it is one of the aspects that makes this season brilliant.
Why should they forgive him?
Spike killed all those people.
They don't forgive Angel and it wasn't even really him at the helm, it was Angelus.
What they do is they move on from that but never forget.

The scene in as you were when Buffy wants Spike to tell her he loves her and wants her is heart breaking because I believe he truly loves her and she wants to hear this to make herself feel better because as usual its always about Buffy and what Buffy wants.

See ALL the comments i've made regarding Buffy wanting to feel something.
Buffy is generally pretty selfless(I think there was that time she died, twice actually, for everyone - and lest we forget the fact Buffy 'wants' a normal life and could have one if she just 'quit' but never actually does) in most cases.

The episode Entropy is okay......he has no soul however they all have a soul and their actions in my opinion are just as bad as his are because they have souls but still they do horrendous things but they are always saying how disgusting Spike is.

Does Buffy have a right to be upset? Not really, is she human and upset? Absolutely.
Not only has she just witnessed the guy 'who loves her' have sex with one of her friends, but she does have some feeling for the guy. It may not be love, but there is something there and she is hurt.
The relationship is very destructive for both parties but your complete rant and blaming of Buffy without taking into account the emotional trauma she was dealing with due to dying and going to Heaven to only be ripped from there shows you need to try and rewatch the entire series, lose this bias you have (which in my opinion is less about Buffy and more about you fancying Spike and upset that he allowed himself to get in this situation - just remember it is a TV show) and watch it fresh.
This will never happen as your 'hatred' is so obvious.

Thanks

 

[Wanabee-slayer]

Got to agree with BOtD here!!!!!

 

[ByandBy]

ok from this i get the impression, correct me if im wrong, but your a big spike fan, most of the things here you dont like have something to do with spike, not the season, because there is so much more going on in S6, theres the whole Willow and Tara thing, the trio, Bad Willow, Anya, etc.

Actually up until S6 I was not really a big Spike fan I found the episodes with him to be basically funny and interesting but I did not watch the show because of his character I felt sorry for him in parts of S5 and basically through out S6 I guess my issues are really about how hypocritical Buffy and the Scoobies are when it comes to their own actions and their treatment of others. Buffy/Spike Willow/Warren and then Willow basically kicking Giles butt and then intending to end the world

 

[ByandBy]

OK this opening post shows a complete missing of the point of Season 6.



Could not disagree with you more

Note: I find the Buffy/Spike relationship incomprehensible and disgusting.

So does Buffy and if you rewatch Once More with Feeling the opening song pretty much tells you this is all about how she feels nothing because of where she has been and her relationship with Spike is part of that wanting to feel anything. It's better, in her mind, to feel disgust, hatred and self loathing than feel nothing at all.

Althought I never thought of it like this this is a good point and I will think about it in this light I still think Buffy's treatment of Spike is disgusting (I feel sorry for him)



Giles never forgave Angel, he tolerated him because he understood that Angel was a useful ally, but even that came after his initial want to dispose of him. Also, do not forget Angel, for all his faults, had a soul, a conscience.
Xander barely even tolerated Angel. I don't know what show you watched but Xander often bad mouthed him, was the first to suggest Angel be killed and definitely wasn't scared of him.

I may need to rewatch the first few seasons but I only recall Xander bad mouthing Angel a couple of times and I thought that was because Xander was jealous and wanted to date Buffy I know Xander hated them both but his hatred towards Spike seems more I do not know Obvious

Spike on the other hand was a Soulless demon. He had helped fight with the Scoobs, but at the end of the day, he was still a Vampire without a soul. The only one to treat Angel positively not including Buffy was Willow and Willow did the same with Spike.

I guess I see Spike having the chip the same as Angel with a soul they both do good let me state I liked Angel I even liked him when he was Angelus


They had not accepted Spike, they understood, begrudgingly, that Spike could be an asset but the likes of Xander never lost focus of what he was.
Buffy did begin to realise that he was peculiar but before the OMWF stuff she really did confide in him as he was someone she could talk to.
This is where the line blurred for her.
She knew of his feelings for her and she wanted to feel something. She hated herself for it(not because it was Spike exactly but because it was a soulless demon) but at least she felt something. Spike isn't exactly clean in all this either. He was, after all, able to leave whenever he wanted. Buffy made it pretty darned clear what she was using him for and he still went back.

This is all true and I agree to a point I still feel had she not kissed him at the end of omwf the relationship would not have progressed as it did. But this is only my opinion

It wasn't until he finally realised what was happening that things took a more dramatic turn.

I'm not sure I follow you here can you elaborate on this?


When Spike thought his Chip stopped working what is the first thing he tried to do?
Oh yeah, kill someone. Which confirms everything Xander believes - take away the chip and you still have the soulless beast.

I see this differently he had just been bashed by Buffy stating he was an evil disgusting souless thing and if I recall he had to talk himself into it I could be wrong


Again point missed. Firstly, she believes she is guilty. Secondly she is looking at Spike and seeing the demon that only cares for himself(we know thats not true but this is what she sees) and sees what she has succumbed to. She is physically beating Spike, but what she is actually doing is attacking the part of her that is doing these things. It is very psychological - i'm just sorry you failed to understand this because it is one of the aspects that makes this season brilliant.

I'll try to watch this scene again to see if I come out with another view on it

Why should they forgive him?
Spike killed all those people.
They don't forgive Angel and it wasn't even really him at the helm, it was Angelus.
What they do is they move on from that but never forget.

I guess I look at the way Angel acted w/o a soul compared to Spike w/o a soul and Angel seems worse at least to me. I get the opinion that they "Moved" on quickly because in the S3 episode when they all realize Angel is back Xander sees Buffy kissing him Xander is angry and is the only one who brings up Ms Calenders murder it seems to me at this point they pretty much move on.



Does Buffy have a right to be upset? Not really, is she human and upset? Absolutely.
Not only has she just witnessed the guy 'who loves her' have sex with one of her friends, but she does have some feeling for the guy. It may not be love, but there is something there and she is hurt.

I guess i just do not see that


The relationship is very destructive for both parties


I agree

shows you need to try and rewatch the entire series, lose this bias you have (which in my opinion is less about Buffy and more about you fancying Spike)

Actually up until S6 I was not really a big Spike fan I found the episodes with him to be basically funny and interesting but I did not watch the show because of his character I felt sorry for him in parts of S5 and basically through out S6


This will never happen as your 'hatred' is so obvious.

I will try to rewatch season 6 with the view points I received here I may change my view I do not know I still have issues with how hypocritical Buffy and the Scoobies are when it comes to their own actions and their treatment of others. Buffy/Spike, Willow/Warren I do understand Willow was extremely upset/angry over the death of Tara but she still skinned Warren who was human and she does have a soul. Not to mention her trying to end the world

 

[TabulaRasa]

If someone killed my girlfriend I would want to skin them alive, and more. I am totally agreeing with what Willow did. Bad I know but hey, I was all GO WILLOW! For Willow her life was Tara. If you lost your life (spouse, child etc) you would want to kill the person who did it also, and in the worst possible way. And we all have souls. It's what makes us human. The right to 'feel,' bad or good. killing Warren made Willow feel good, even tho it was only at her darkest hour. That was her comfort.

 

[ByandBy]

If someone killed my girlfriend I would want to skin them alive, and more. I am totally agreeing with what Willow did. Bad I know but hey, I was all GO WILLOW! For Willow her life was Tara. If you lost your life (spouse, child etc) you would want to kill the person who did it also, and in the worst possible way. And we all have souls. It's what makes us human. The right to 'feel,' bad or good. killing Warren made Willow feel good, even tho it was only at her darkest hour. That was her comfort.

I agree and I do feel for what Willow went thru in S6 but it seems thru out btvs soulless things were considered bad and rightfully so, It was a huge deal Angel had a soul it made him good (from what I can tell) Spike had no soul so even with the chip he is still considered evil it seems he can never be good because he has no soul at least according to Buffy, Giles, Xander, etc. Buffy and Willow are the good guys but it seems like they can do horrible things in S6 and it is alright they are always forgiven regardless of what they do because they have souls. I guess this is where S6 makes the lines gray between good/bad

 

[Wiccaness]

Actually up until S6 I was not really a big Spike fan I found the episodes with him to be basically funny and interesting but I did not watch the show because of his character I felt sorry for him in parts of S5 and basically through out S6 I guess my issues are really about how hypocritical Buffy and the Scoobies are when it comes to their own actions and their treatment of others. Buffy/Spike Willow/Warren and then Willow basically kicking Giles butt and then intending to end the world

True, but you have to remember that the whole buffy/spike buffy/spike along with bad willow isnt so much hyprocritical as it is other.

buffy/spike...i can see why you would see this as hypocritical but i dont believe it is. it is more of trying not to feel like an emty shell and him basicly allowing her to use him, basicly most of what Bored of the Dead stated about it.

Willow/Warren is about willow grieving and in her eyes trying to have justices.
Warren kills tara,warren takes tara away from willow, there for warren should pay , thats how she sees it at first,

with Dark Willow,all the magic changed her by the time she gets warren,and for ending the world. she feels the worlds pain when she tries to end the world, which is why she wants to do that


Im not saying that what they did is right but i dont see it as them being hyprocrits.

it seems thru out btvs soulless things were considered bad and rightfully so, It was a huge deal Angel had a soul it made him good (from what I can tell) Spike had no soul so even with the chip he is still considered evil it seems he can never be good because he has no soul

It is like that, he is still considered evil with the chip because with out it, he wouldnt be doing all the good he does, its a fact that with out the ship his just a vampire wanting to kill and feed,
I dont agree that the chip for spike is the soul for angel, because spike tries to take it off, or fist chance he gets he tries to hurt a human.

at least according to Buffy, Giles, Xander, etc. Buffy and Willow are the good guys but it seems like they can do horrible things in S6 and it is alright they are always forgiven regardless of what they do because they have souls. I guess this is where S6 makes the lines gray between good/bad

Yes the scoobies do some things that are bad,but like Willow and Buffy, the feel guilty about them, its not things that they actually want to do, Willow did the whole going to england and being afraid to do magic because she is affraid to turn into what she was with dark magic




and i rally have to agree with BOTD on the fact that it all seems kinda bias.

 

[TabulaRasa]

Buffy and Willow are the good guys but it seems like they can do horrible things in S6 and it is alright they are always forgiven regardless of what they do because they have souls. I guess this is where S6 makes the lines gray between good/bad

Buffy would have killed Willow if she had to. She went to do the same to Anya...my bad if you haven't seen that yet. So she will kill the good guys if it is necessary. But she of course hopes they will come around. If Adam was doing good things for the community but soulless she would have let him live. If Xander started killing humans she would do what she had to, ie...kill him.

 

[definition of insane]

Is it really a line between good and bad? In my opinion they've swam the gray area. Whether its for the great good or for their own purposes, pretty much every single one of them would do something that would probably be considered bad..or at least not good. But that's being human and making stupid choices at times and making even more idiotic justifications for them.

I don't really understand why there's is such an issue with "good" characters doing "evil" things and how it's hypocritical of them. It's not, it's human of them. It's realistic of them...or at least as realistic as a show called Buffy the Vampire Slayer can be.

 

[SARArb]

sorry but i loved season 6! lool but it's normal that all of us dont have the same opinions... 🙂

 

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

Season 6 rocks because of the trio (or troika, whichever you refer to them as). They were the funniest characters EVER.

 

[Blondie Bear]

Buffy would have killed Willow if she had to. She went to do the same to Anya...my bad if you haven't seen that yet. So she will kill the good guys if it is necessary. But she of course hopes they will come around. If Adam was doing good things for the community but soulless she would have let him live. If Xander started killing humans she would do what she had to, ie...kill him.

I don't think she would have killed Xander; she's always going on about how Slayers don't kill people. She would definitely have turned him in, though. As for Willow, that's an interesting question . . . does being a witch take her out of the "human" camp as far as not killing her?

 

[Wiccaness]

I don't think she would have killed Xander; she's always going on about how Slayers don't kill people. She would definitely have turned him in, though. As for Willow, that's an interesting question . . . does being a witch take her out of the "human" camp as far as not killing her?

I think that being a with might but is more the whole being evil thin, if xander went into some dark mojo to something happened where he would be evil and killing, she would probably kill them

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

I think that being a with might but is more the whole being evil thin, if xander went into some dark mojo to something happened where he would be evil and killing, she would probably kill them

If you are suggesting that he found a way to be demony or go 'Darth Harris' then Buffy would always do what it took to 'save the world' so it's probable - but it would have to be something seriously bad that she can't sort it another way.

 

[Wiccaness]

If you are suggesting that he found a way to be demony or go 'Darth Harris' then Buffy would always do what it took to 'save the world' so it's probable - but it would have to be something seriously bad that she can't sort it another way.

yeah something like that, im guessing he accidentally messed with some stuff again an instead of summoning some dancing demon, it made him this evil bad ass that couldnt be stopped, not even how evil willow was stopped or something like that