An Interesting Point

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If they know of him at all, many folks think Ben Stein is just a quirky actor/comedian who talks in a monotone. He's also a very intelligent attorney who knows how to put ideas and words together in such a way as to sway juries and make people think clearly.
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The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary, Sunday, 12/18/05.


Herewith at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart: I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are. I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying my dog biscuits and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores. They never know who Nick and Jessica are either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they have broken up? Why are they so important?

I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I do not care at all about Tom Cruise's wife.

Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I am a subversive? Maybe, but I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are.

If this is what it means to be no longer young, it's not so bad.

Next confession:
I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a littl e bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas" to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people wa nt a crèche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this Happen?" (regarding Katrina)

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through

e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
 
Urban Legends Reference Pages

As the page on the ULR site states, there's some changes from what he said in the broadcast and someone other then the always witty Mr. Stein added this last part and started it as a chain email.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this Happen?" (regarding Katrina)

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through

e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
Not quite the Ben Stein I'm familar with.
 
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teentitan
Thanks for the correction... but do you think it's an interesting point regardless of the add on?
Ben Stein said:
Next confession:
I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish.

Whoa, he's got balls of steel. Admitting he's Jewish! That guy is pushing boundaries!
Ben Stein said:
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Yeah, because Atheists come to your door and.... no wait, I'm thinking of religious whackjobs.
Ben Stein said:
the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself And we said OK.
Sure, parts of it says this. Other parts advocate slavery, murder, torture, violence, is filled with misogynistic filth, and has many conflicting messages. God sure changes his mind a lot. It is never expained why 3/4 of the bible(gods word) teaches laws that Jesus says are wrong. God is subject to humanity? He changes his mind now and again? Well, according to the bible, God is quite a sicko, and has the tendency to lie. When God says he will not test you, instead the duplicitous little sneak will give Satan the power to do it, a la, Job. Well sometimes he'll test you, like he did with Abraham. When he tells you, you can eat all the animals of the world, and then later changes his mind. When he sends delusions to people he does not like, so they can't know his holy message. When Adam eats from the tree and his eyes are opened and he knows good from bad, kinda the ultimate mind****, no? He didn't know good from bad until after he eats, how could he know it was wrong?

When Jesus came to earth to live a perfect life. Kinda Unnesessary as Job was perfect, Noah was perfect. Speaking of Noah, I wonder how he managed to gather up 7 of each beast, and 2 of each unclean beast.. on his own, and I guess in his spare time he built the mythical ark. With todays resources one man couldnt do this. Perhaps he know some ancient fighting style that could knock out a lion, render it weightless so he could carry what should be about 400 pounds, and toss it over his shoulder and carry them a couple of hundred miles back to where he built his big badass boat.God neglected to tell the writers of the bible to make it even remotely reasonable. Puzzling! Speaking of puzzling I could never quite figure this one out. Adam was perfect, he felt no pain, knew no suffering, could not die. He sinned. From then on his seed was imperfect. Jesus was perfect. He was not of Adams line. Mary was merely the vessel used. How could Jesus feel pain and die?
Ben Stein said:
Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.
Funnily enough, I stopped reading newspapers just under five years ago when they started publishing bunk about religious extremists that hate me because I'm "free". Religous extremists, religious extremists, religous extremists... Ok, I admit it. Sometimes I hate people because they breathe.
If it says in the bible that religious extremists will hate me, and it says it in the newspapers, how can I discount one, but believe the other. Kinda contradictory.
Par for the course, though, Bill. Seeing that there are over 2000 contradictions in the Bible how can a person not question it.
Ben Stein said:
Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Could that be because some of us don't believe in God, nimrod.

"In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these."
- Paul Harvey
 
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freakydorky
wow...you showed him :D
Ben Stein has a point. That's all i'm going to say, people can disagree with me fine but he has a point.

What point? grrrr

Ben Stein is of the position that the world sucks because people don't believe in God. What sort of point is that?
Seriously, do people think belief in God and/or religion is required to be a moral person?

Not only is that ignorant it is also completely absurd.

You don't need to believe in god and religion to teach people the difference between right and wrong, to teach people to love.
 
What point? grrrr

Ben Stein is of the position that the world sucks because people don't believe in God. What sort of point is that?
Seriously, do people think belief in God and/or religion is required to be a moral person?

Not only is that ignorant it is also completely absurd.

You don't need to believe in god and religion to teach people the difference between right and wrong, to teach people to love.

I believe the point he was trying to make is why does society push one subject aside and deem it politically incorrect but it is ok to be wrapped up on the lives of celebrities or other silly things.
I think people's moral compass is askew and Mr. Stein was just trying to get people to think maybe it's time to use what has been sorely missing for quite some time now...common sense.
I never got the feeling that he was pushing religion to the forefront but the call for the return of said common sense.
 
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Angel's vision
well said TT although it didn't lok to me as if he was pushing it down peoples throats....but thta's my view i bet that wasn't his intention....
I have to agree with old Uncle Joe above...I am not a religious man but I do consider myself to be moral and honest. The world sucks because the people in it make it so...and if there is a god that is letting all this stuff happen, it is one sick monkey.
Please feel free to believe in what you want to believe, and I accept your right to do that, but please respect my right not to have you stick your beliefs down my throat Mr Stein.
 
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teentitan
Well you are a Grand Pa so I guess I can be ol' Uncle Joe, lol.
I believe the point he was trying to make is why does society push one subject aside and deem it politically incorrect but it is ok to be wrapped up on the lives of celebrities or other silly things.
I think people's moral compass is askew and Mr. Stein was just trying to get people to think maybe it's time to use what has been sorely missing for quite some time now...common sense.
I never got the feeling that he was pushing religion to the forefront but the call for the return of said common sense.
Which group of people own a vast majority of the media in the U.S?

I am not interested in the lives of "celebrities", if other people are there is nothing I can do about that. I have no power over media corporations.
I have more important things to devote my life to than reading about "celebrities". I think the implications of what he said are quite clear. Common sense to him and I, are obviously two different things.
 
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