Andrew and Anya in "Chosen"

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Anybody else here who accuses Buffy and the Scoobie Gang for teaming up Anja with Andrew to defence the corrdior of the new High-school against the upper-vamps in the final fight? I mean both hadn't very much fight-experiences! In my eyes the two should have been mixed up with someone who could fight, for example Spike and Wood. Then Anja died, Andrew nearly too! Was this really necessary?
I miss Anja!
 
I've wondered about this too. It would've been nice if both team Andrew/Anya and team Dawn/Xander had been teamed up with at least one of the other potentials each. But I guess it had to do with that they were all needed in the fight so they would have chance of winning or something. Or maybe they didn't expect the ubervamps to reach the school?

I don't blame Buffy and the scoobies for Anyas death though. I think she knew what she was getting herself in to and I think everyone decided what they thought was best.
 
Yeah I never understood. Dawn/Xander I kind of understood. They were both pretty good fighters. Well...they held their own. However, why couldn't Giles have gone with Anya and Principal Wood with Andrew, or vise versa? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Andrew?? He could barely hold a sword.
 
yeah this bothered me too. i felt like buffy and the gang sorta put anya and andrew on the back burners and left them there to die. it was not fair 🙁 unless they genuinely thought the vamps were not going to reach the school which is ludacris bc there were just too many of them
 
Honestly, I can barely watch "Chosen" because of this! It makes no sense.

But then again, the entire upstairs "second front dependent upon powerless humans" strategy made no sense to me at all. They have that proud "lightbulb" moment during which Dawn (I think) exposes the uber vamps to sunlight in order to get rid of them...seriously? Their main advantage in the battle was daylight! If that's all it took, why didn't they just level off the top of the building before going in, or get Xander to knock off the roof just as the vamps were coming up? That way, no one without superpowers would have to pretend that they could stand a chance "fighting" the uber-vamps in the hallway.
 
Yep, I always though that Giles and Wood shouldn't have been together, but one with Anya and one with Andrew.
 
I like to think that they put the strongest fighters at the points they thought would receive the heaviest attack. They paired Anya with Andrew, but it's not like Anya hasn't seen any blood and gore in her days. They both knew what they were getting into, and (in my mind) were at a point in the school likely to recieve the lightest of the attack from the Ubervamps.

Or maybe I'm just wishful and Buffy really had it out for those two. It's not like either one was her favorite person.
 
My sister actually brought this up last time we watched the finale together, and now it bugs me as well. Giles and Wood could have definitely paired up with them.

But for the sake of characters being paired together, I understand why it was Andrew and Anya. Those two were sort of the outcasts of the group, and they had that moment together in the hospital like when Andrew said "I think I'd like to...finish out as one of those... lame humans tryin' to do what's right." - Which Anya ends up doing.
 
Yeah, tactically there have been better decisions (the Batman in me is shaking his head). I mean, the fight takes place in the middle of the day, so, presumably, it would have made more sense to just destroy the school so the vamps would get vaporized right away.

As for the fight pairings, yeah, Anya/Andrew as a team wasn't the brightest move of all time. There are a few holes in that episode which seem to bother some people, and I get that, but honestly, there aren't enough of them for me to not enjoy it. And as Joss has said more than once about "Chosen", the episode was about the message and the metaphor.
 
I really don't think Xander's Character would have left Anya in a situation where he thought she was screwed! Dawn/Xander is a very similar pairing to Anya/Andrew. Anya was an ex demon she could hold her own as much as any of them. She died because there wasn't really anywhere her or Xander's character could go whilst she was alive. Besides spike, someone else had to die, it's a Joss show after all.
 
The whole strategy as presented in "Chosen" was just about a step and a half short of suicidal. Buffy had at her command a little over a dozen poorly armed, inexperienced, and, at best, only partially motivated, adolescent girls and half a dozen what she knew for a fact to be really competent, experienced fighters. She took the majority of her fighting force with her, where they would be needed the most, and left three teams, two people each, topside to handle the (relatively) easier task of blocking the three passages out of the school. Each of those teams consisted of one experienced fighter, who she trusted not to panic, and one fighter who was, at best, moderately proficient, more as back up to the real fighter than anything else. She put Wood with Giles in the most difficult spot, Dawn with Xander, and Andrew with Anya. Everyone else, she needed with her.

(Okay, I know that we all know all of that, but I like to build up to my argument here, so bear with me.)

As for the two man teams, why did she assign them the way that she did? Glad you asked.

Xander was the best choice to be with Dawn, because Buffy knew that he would be absolutely committed to protecting her up to and beyond the last breath in his body. No surprise there. Within the limitations of her mission, she was affording her baby sister the greatest possible chance of survival, slim though that chance might be.

Giles was with Wood for several reasons. Mainly, I think that she believed that they had formed a sort of rudimentary bond during their conspiracy to kill Spike, plus Wood was the closest to being a real demon fighter of all of what could be described as the amateur fighters (as in, recently arrived in Sunnydale, not part of her "real" soldiers) Supposedly, Giles would be able to devote his main attention to fighting Bringers and ubervamps and not so much to keeping Wood alive. It didn't really work out that way, but that can be chalked up to fortunes of war. Wood did the best that he could under the circumstances for someone by his own admission, "totally out of his league."

And now, finally, we come to the group in question: Anya and Andrew. The real subject of this thread. Why were they teamed together? This is what I believe:

Like Giles and Wood, Anya and Andrew had formed a rudimentary bond. at least enough of one to more or less work together at what Buffy probably believed was the least likely path for the Bringers to take, least likely being purely relative here. Trying to block any route was practically a guarantee of martyrdom. Andrew was, obviously, the rank amateur here, but Anya, as Buffy had personal knowledge to affirm just that very season, was not completely inexperienced when it came to fighting. Even without her demonic powers, the experience was still there, and that experience was what Buffy was counting on to make the difference.

So, having said all that as justification, I say that Buffy teamed Anya and Andrew the way that she did, and assigned them to the place that she did, because that was the best that she could do under the circumstances to assure at least a minimal chance of success of her mission. Plus, they were all that was left after the more important assignments were handed out.
 
Well the ubervamps were supposed to be INCREDIBLY hard to kill.... for a SLAYER!!! So for Andrew and Anya to be brought along (the scoobies with the least fight experience) was just silly. To be honest they should have just been waiting outside in the bus. It's not like the vamps could have gone outside into the sunshine so, erm, really, what was the point of them running up into the school?

Ok, so between them they DID manage to kill a couple of vamps. What good did this really achieve? The whole town collapsed into a giant hole a few minutes later anyway.
 
Lol I made a thread on this exact topic named like "they were left for dead". It really makes no sense for the two of them to have been left alone. Anya was never much of a fighter when not a vengeance demon and we all no Andrew was no good in a fight lol.
 
In my opinion im glad they did join in the final fight, after all the time Buffy saved these guys i think too right that they help.
Anya spent so much time at Buffys and had experience fighting as a demon it would be wierd for her not to help. Andrew i think needed to help as he had done wrong to the scoobies by being a part of the trio.

Plus is Dawn was helping then sure what the hell more the merrier 🙂
 
In my opinion im glad they did join in the final fight, after all the time Buffy saved these guys i think too right that they help.
Anya spent so much time at Buffys and had experience fighting as a demon it would be wierd for her not to help. Andrew i think needed to help as he had done wrong to the scoobies by being a part of the trio.

Plus is Dawn was helping then sure what the hell more the merrier 🙂

Yes, but at least Dawn has had some training. We see Buffy training her at the beginning of S7 and it probably wasn't the first time. Anya has some skill in combat left over from her days as vengeance demon, we see that she has some skills in her fight against Buffy. Andrew though? What the hell was Buffy thinking? Did she just want him to die? That's really the only thing I can think of, but I have to give Andrew credit. He was wiling to die. In the end he really did seek redemption.
 
How much fighting ability does Anya really retain when she loses her demon abilities though? She was a demon for a thousand years before being human yet when she first joins up with the scoobies she seemed to do a lot more jumping on backs and making me think she wasnt really a fighter at all.
 
Vengeance demons use magical abilities (as we saw when she debuted in "The Wish" and further with her ability to call up the demons that ate the frat boys). There was no indication of any fighting or exertion of any kind in this - just determine what vengeance to assign and call it up. The only superiority in a fight that we saw was after destroying the frat boys, she got into a fight with Buffy and held her own. In human form, she is not that good in a battle, although she does seem to be able to mix it up with some good swordplay.

Andrew doesn't come into his own until Angel Season 5 where he is allied with the slayers and succeeds in getting Dana, the psychotic slayer, transferred out of Wolfram & Hart control to slayer control. When Angel asks him to contact Buffy about taking over, Andrew tells him Buffy gave the order because Angel was "playing for the other team".

It seemed ridiculous to start the battle before the potentials got their slayer powers, but in order for there to be drama, you would have to write it like that.
 
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Even in S05 of Angel Andrew was only so confident because he had all of those slayers backing him up lol. If he only had 3 or 4 of them it would have been pretty fun to watch Angel, Spike, Gunn, and Wesley take them on. lol
 
To me it doesn't matter if any "normal person" was a good fighter. The truth is everyone on the top level of the school should've been killed. They halls were infested with bringers and eventually Turk Hans. How in the hell could normal people fight Turk Hans? Xander and Dawn were protected by Sunlight in the middle of the school... ok I can live with that. But the only person to be killed being Anya was ridiculous. Andrew was doing nothing but cowering on the wall.

It also seems as if they've forgot about the 1st possessing Willow while doing magicks. He was able to possess her doing a simple locating spell. I don't understand how she would've been able to even complete that ritual without the 1st interfering. I've always said the real agent of the 1st should've been Willow.
 
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