Angel ep by ep; NOT FADE AWAY-the last hurrah!

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And so it ends, a series that started for me 17 years ago when I went to see the original Buffy movie in the cinema ends tonight with the final ep of Angel."If we should meet again we shall drink deep and laugh long err this rememberance. And if we should not, then this is a parting well made"

NOT FADE AWAY

The Good;
The last day for the staff of Angel Investigations (especially poignant for Lorne/Andy Hallet who sings a wonderful version of 'If I ruled the world'). The final battles, Illyria and Lindsey in particular making great entrances. The twists in the tale. Also it's a small scene but love Harmony and Angel's little heart to heart, so very different but so very alike, Harmony actually misses being human a little but she's still evil.

The Bad;
Why didn't Joss do a commentary for the last ep of one of his finest creations? Richard Burton is a Welsh actor, not English. Angel says he doesn't remember what it was like to be human but he was human only 4 years ago in 'I will remember you' which was more recently than Harmony was (or was he leading Harmony on?). Jeff Bell's right, the cloaks the Fell Breathren wear make them look like football players on the bench.

Best line; plenty to choose from, best written shows on TV and they saved some of the best until last;
Angel; (getting pounded by Marcus) "Kinda hoped the fight would be going a little better"
followed by
Connor (punching Marcus and sending him flying) "Care about that dress for less!"
then
Marcus "I am a child of the Senior Partners, their strength flows through my veins, my blood is filled with their ancient power"
Angel (vamping out and biting him) "Can you guess the one word you shouldn't have mentioned?"
plus
Eve; "Are you sure you can handle the Sharvin?"
Lindsey; "They're sending me out with karaoke boy, how dangerous can it be?"
(oh the irony!)
Lorne; (shooting Lindsey) "I've heard you sing!"
and
Angel; (as WR&H collapses) "Time to go!"
Eve; "Go WHERE?"
also where else on TV would you get the line, Angel "The Fell Breathren, I want the baby returned to its' mother and the foster family dismembered"

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Illyria makes trophies of the bad guys spines, glad we didn't get to see the eyeball thing! Gunn gives the demon Senator a splitting headache. Illyria gives Vail the mother of all uppercuts. Angel gets his own pen through his hand. It's a disgusting line but always makes me laugh, Vail "I crap better magic than this"

Apocalypses: 5

Angel Cliches

Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Lorne kills Lindsey, the clown becomes a tragic figure, much as in King Lear, his leaving incredibly poignant. We think Lindsey might actually be redeemed in typical Angel fashion but instead he gets two in the chest.

In disguise; 8

DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20

Cheap Angel; 8

Fang Gang in bondage:
Cordy: 5
Angel: 15
Wes: 8
Gunn; 8
Lorne; 6
Fred; 5
Spike; 6

Fang gang knocked out:
Cordy: 15
Angel: 20
Wes: 10
Doyle; 1
Gunn; 4
Lorne; 8
Groo; 1
Connor; 1
Faith; 1
Fred; 7
Spike; 5

Kills; Angel kills Marcus, Sebassis and the Pee-Pee demon. Illyria finally in the gang and kills Izzie, 3 humans(?) and Vail. Gunn kills the demon Senator and at least 2 of her vamps. Spike kills at least 3 of the Fell breathren. Lorne, who in 4 years of the most violent show on TV never killed anything kills Lindsey.
Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons- 9 kills including those on Buffy
Angel; 48 vamps, 74 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 14 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg- 144 kills including those on Buffy
Doyle; 1 vamp
Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs-32 kills
Kate; 3 vamps
Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.- 34 kills including those on Buffy
Gunn; 13 vamps+ 16 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.- 35
Groo; 1 demon
Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies-22
Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine-26
Spike; 21 vamps, 15 demons+1 human+one parasite-38
Illyria; 1 devil, 3 humans and whatever Cyrus Vail is?-5
Lorne; 1 human
so in the course of 5 seasons AI kill over 300 beings and they're the good guys! Most violent show on TV by a long chalk!

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 3
Angel: 3
Gunn; 1
Wes; 1

Alternate Fang Gang;
Cordy: 4
Angel: 12
Fred; 3
Wes; 1
Gunn; 2
Connor; 1
Lorne; 1

Characters killed:
2268
Recurring characters killed; goodbye Wes. Gunn, Spike, Lorne etc have all made incredible emotional journey's over the course of the show but when you think how Wes first appeared in his Buffy debut 'Bad Girls' and how he dies here the contrast is INCREDIBLE! Yet totally believeable, a tribute to both writers and actor.
Perhaps I should include Lindsey too? But ultimately Angel believes he's evil and Lorne agrees having heard him sing. I'm not sure if he's evil per se as just ruthless in the pursuit of what he wants and jealous of Angel? If Angel hadn't taken over WR&H would he ever have come back to LA? Both he and Angel ignore the advice they gave each other at the end of Dead End and both pay for it.
People have pointed out that the only characters to feature in both the first and last eps of Angel;TS are Angel and Lindsey. But actually, excluding Buffy guest stars, the only regular or recurring characters to survive from the first season of the show to the end of the last episode are Angel, a dying Gunn and Kate who's off being an Assistant DA in New York.
14-Angel kills off a regular or recurring character every 7-8 episodes, like Buffy, the most ruthless show on TV

Total number of Angel Investigations; 6 with Illyria finally coming on board for the final battle but down to 4 in the end with Wes dead and Lorne gone.
Angel, Gunn, Illyria, Spike

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 15
Wes; 2
Spike; 1

Packing heat; Lorne kills Lindsey with a silenced pistol
Wes; 14
Doyle; 1
Angel; 5
Gunn; 3
Fred; 5
Lorne; 1

Notches on the Scooby bedpost;
Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
Angel: 7; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve, Nina
Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
Groo; 1Cordy
Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

Kinky dinky:
Harmony and Hamilton get it on, Harmony gorgeous in her undies as Playboy fans can attest to. Wes wonders if he should spend his last day with Mistress Spanksalot, is she the person he referred to with the handcuffs in Over the Rainbow? Whilst Spike wows the crowd with his poem dedicated to Cecilly/Halfyrek you wonder what they made of 'The Wanton folly of my mum"?
"You gave me life,
I sired you,
You claimed that I,
Desired you
You begged me so to take you
Appalled I then did stake you..."
Connor wonders if it's the werewolf side of things that attracts Angel to Nina and asks if there's "Fur flying". Connor now remembers his fling with Cordelia and thinks it 'Inappropriately erotic'. Lindsey comments that Eve is the one thing of his Angel never got his hands on, she doesn't seem to have told Lindsey about her Halloween tryst with him.

Captain Subtext;
Illyria starts to show feelings for Wes and Gunn, maybe too late for both. Angel gives Marcus a hell of a hickey! When Angel boasts to Connor about his nice handwriting Connor replies "You girl!" Nice little goodbyes between Wes and Gunn, Wes and Angel and Lorne. Angel tells Sebassis that if he wants to kill Spike then they may have to kiss. Angel tells Lindsey "I want you" but both decide he should rephrase that remark. Illyria-as-Fred refers to Wes as 'My Wesley', just as Lilah calls him in 'Home'.

Know the face, different character; 7

Parking garages;
10,

Guantanamo Bay;
Angel and co discover that all the evil in the world is run by this secret society and decide to change things by slaughtering each and every one of them and to hell with the consequences! Angel's method of killing Sebassis is particularly clever, a real Keyzer Soze moment.

Buffy characters on Angel; 17
Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.

What the fanficcers thought; .
Plenty of fanfic concentrating on what happened after the final fadeout. Buffy and co showing up and annihilating the demon armies as part of Angel's trap a firm favourite or Angel zapping them all into another dimension which is why he chose the old magic alley where Connor was born etc. The Last Night, a Buffy: The Vampire Slayer fanfic - FanFiction.Net Plenty of Buffy/Angel live happily ever after fic and just as much Buffy/Spike. Also read a couple of nice ones about Harmony, one where she opens up Angel's reference for her, reads it out loud and promptly bursts into flames due to the spell concealed in the wording and one where she opens it up, reads it out loud and promptly get's her soul restored by the same. Plus Connor and Dawn hooking up.
Oh, plus Wes and Mistress Spanksalot
Happy endings for any fanfic that upset you here; The Rape of Buffy, a Buffy: The Vampire Slayer fanfic - FanFiction.Net

Missing scenes;
Now if you read the comics Angel defeats WR&H's armies by convincing the dragon to change sides and then saves Gunn by vamping him as he did with the sailor Lawson in 'Why we fight'. He and the others then make their way through post-apocalyptic Hell-on-earth-LA with ghost Wes as his advisor.

Questions and observations;
Angel turns the power of the senior partners against them, taking the power of Marcus' blood and using it to defeat him. Does this now mean that Angel is a child of the senior partners? What happens to Eve? Does she survive the fall of WR&H? Where does Lorne go, back to Pylea?
Whenever I watch the last ep of Buffy I always drink a bottle of champagne at the end. Don't do that with Angel, it has a different vibe to it. But just as good! Connor goes from a dislikeable character in season 3/4 to an acceptable one in 'Origin' to actually likeable here. So wonderful to see Anne again, lovely touch. So if Angel has signed away his destiny to become human does that mean it's definitely Spike? Is that why Marcus is now prepared to kill Angel? Are Illyria's tears all part of her Fred illusion or are they real and for Wes? Who are the producers Jeff Bell thanks but is not allowed to mention? Spike refers to the 'Manson family' whom he also mentioned in The Yoko factor (their infamous massacre supposedly inspired by the Beatles' song Helter Skelter which was one of Adam's favourites). Gunn refers to Illyria as Blue Thunder. Wes says the first lesson of being a Watcher is to seperate truth from illusion. On TV there's a small thank you scene to the fans at the end of the ep but not on the DVDs.

Marks out of 10; need you ask? 10/10

Jeff Bell thanks us for watching the series. No Jeff, thank you and everyone else for making it. Angel and co are still out there slaying the dragon. And so should we be. C'mon everybody let's go to work!
 
Am I the only one that, after watching it the first time, said "What the heck? That's how it ends?"
 
white avenger
white avenger
No, I was right there with you, only my comment was somewhat more colorful.
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Fusions2
I pretty much said the same thing.
*** Angel says he doesn't remember what it was like to be human but he was human only 4 years ago in 'I will remember you' which was more recently than Harmony was (or was he leading Harmony on?).***

He's probably been pretending that it didn't happen for so long that he's finally even convinced himself.

And I agree, this was a great series ending, and the only thing to me that really detracts from it for me is the totally lame "deus ex machina" that they used as a bail out in Season 6 to explain how they survived. Angel managed to convince a fire breathing dragon to turn on its own allies in the space of a few SECONDS? About the only thing worse would have been to have everything past Angel and Spike's fight in the bar in Italy as a dream that Angel had had while unconscious from Spike's last punch. I realize that they had to figure out an escape from a virtually impossible situation, and I realize that Joss didn't want an army of Slayers dropping in at the last minute, but there had to be something that a talented, imaginative writer like Joss Whedon could have come up with that would have been better than that.
 
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thevikingsgirl
I'm glad I haven't read that.
I loved it! 😀


Harmony: He's not my boyfriend. I mean, I certainly didn't betray you!
Angel: Drop the act, Harm.
Harmony: It's not an act. I'm really this nervous.
Angel: I knew you'd turn on me. I just didn't know when.
and so on in that convo...

is one of my favorite parts along with Illyria knocking Cyvus Vail's block off. It was aaaalll good though in my book.



Gunn gives the demon Senator a splitting headache.

That was sweet! 🙂
 
I HATE the ending of Not Fade Away. it just didn't have closure. Hence the comics I guess.

I was a bit peeved at Lorne for killing Lindsey but we've seen Lorne turn violent a couple of times-hitting Eve in the face and kicking some demon butt. But he went against everything he believed in that night.

7/10.
 
I loved the end, and the lack of closure is why. And since I don't read the comics, that was the end for me. I thought it was perfect. I DID think, wth!? I thought I missed an episode. When I realized I hadn't I thought, of course. That's just how it should be. The fight of good vs. evil will NEVER end. Each cannot exist without the other. I loved that they realized that the senior partners (whatever they are) were out of their reach, and the best they could do was go down fighting. I knew the comics existed when I watched so I knew they got out of it somehow, but I like the story to end with them facing the giant mass of monsters and going into battle. It was almost as good as the Buffy finale IMO and that's really saying something (since I LOVED that).
 
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ToShanshuInLA
agreed =)
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alliern21
I love the ending as well now for the same reasons :) The whole message, we never stop fighting. The only end is death.
I love it too. Every scenes is powerful. Glad to see Anne back. And that scene with Wes and Fred/Illyria made me cry a lot. And I wonder where Eve went too. 😵

Illyria gives Vail the mother of all uppercuts.

Just have to quote it and say it's an awesome sentence. 🙂

Oh, do you watch Firefly and Dollhouse? I'd love to read your reviews on them. 🙂
 
I love it too. Every scenes is powerful. Glad to see Anne back. And that scene with Wes and Fred/Illyria made me cry a lot. And I wonder where Eve went too. 😵



Just have to quote it and say it's an awesome sentence. 🙂

Oh, do you watch Firefly and Dollhouse? I'd love to read your reviews on them. 🙂

Thanks and OHHHHHHH! Get thee behind me Satan! Deliberately writing these as a way of quitting fandom (and in all honesty I WANT to like Dollhouse more than I actually do). But you might tempt me. If you'd like to do reviews of either series in the form I've been doing them please go right ahead.
 
MinwaraYana
MinwaraYana
Thanks, but I would be too lazy. :P
Great review Saturn enjoyed reading it. I have only watched this episode once, 6 years ago infact yet i remember it made me wanting more. It was a brillant ending but also a frustrating one. I hope one day we can resume the story, nevertheless it was a great episode.
 
Deliberately writing these as a way of quitting fandom

You've been doing these on various boards over god knows how long.

Less than 6 months ago you posted all these on the imdb boards, its not hard to copy and paste.
 
You've been doing these on various boards over god knows how long.

Less than 6 months ago you posted all these on the imdb boards, its not hard to copy and paste.

Thanks everyone you're too kind with your praise and yes I've posted these reviews on a good dozen boards (because it's a physical impossibility for all Buffy/Angel fans to belong to them all) but they're different every time because of all the great feedback I recieve on each. :smile3:
 
I love it too. Every scenes is powerful. Glad to see Anne back. And that scene with Wes and Fred/Illyria made me cry a lot. And I wonder where Eve went too. 😵



Just have to quote it and say it's an awesome sentence. 🙂

Oh, do you watch Firefly and Dollhouse? I'd love to read your reviews on them. 🙂

Ok I caved, Dollhouse ep by ep now available on that part of the forum
 
I like this episode more than Buffy's Chosen even though the last few moments of this are completly anti-climactic in a Empire Strikes Back kind of way. The moment I was won over was when we see how the staff spend their last day and really thought it was awesome they brought Julia Lee back for Gunn's day. I also thought Wesley's last moments with Illyria were very moving - more so than the episode where Fred dies. 😛
 
I loved everything about it. I was not to shocked that it did not end like chosen because a friend of mine had warned me and said it will not have complete closure.So I was not to shocked that it ended kind of abruptly with "Me personally i want to slay the dragon" not that exact words.
I was shocked about all the other scenes.
The best scenes though were Wes and Illyria and I am glad that was not spoiled because that was a beautiful moment.
I had my mom watch the show and she was like thats how it ends? She was a little more shocked that it just ended that way.

Overall I did not mind to much because I thought of it this way they ended Buffy pretty well so they might have not wanted to do the exact same thing. Don't know if that was the case but I like to think of it that way.
I enjoyed this finale and it is still one of my favorites because it had some of the best moments.
 
Actually both Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Season 7) and Angel (in Season 5) ends do NOT have any particular closure. Buffy season 5 had one, but then they changed their mind and continued on with the show...

WHY IS THAT (and is it a good thing)?

Well it depends on how you see it...

1) Was it because Joss Whedon knew he would continue his work in the comic books series? Maybe so... But it took years before the series continued this way and Joss already moved on to other things (Firefly for example) so maybe no... Anyway, I for one am not particularly fond of the comic book series (even though I am a BIG comic book fan in general) and if that were the case I wouldn't go for it.

2) Was it because he wanted to somehow continue the saga in the future? That's even more likely since after the shows ended there were rumors for a new Buffy movie, a Spike movie, a Faith series etc. So, not ending it completely could make it easier for these spin-offs. I'm not a great fan of this scenario either (a show must end before it gets really old and you can't keep it alive for ever)

3) Was it indeed the desired ending leaving the real ending to the viewer's imagination? Well that's my favorite point of view (same goes for "Chosen" ending). As I see it Angel and gang went kamikaze on Wolfram and Hart, tearing the company down and paying it with their lives. Wesley dies, Gunn will live for ten minutes tops, and a horde of Ghouls and Goblins (AND YES, THE DRAGON FROM "THE GIFT" EPISODE!!!) are headed towards Angel, Spike and Illyria. Will they survive? Unlikely but not impossible... What their fates would be is totally the viewer's choice.
 
I loved the final episode...and I also hated it. I loved it because it was poignant, heartbreaking and chock-full of action-not to mention shocks (Wesley's death). I loved Angel's battle with Marcus (HATED that smarmy bugger anyway,lol!), Harmony's betrayal (PERFECTLY in character), that final alley scene, and Lorne's heart-wrenching final scene. ("Goodnight, folks..." now has a whole other meaning for me...*sob*). BUT I hated it because it was the end! There should have been at LEAST one more season after this-just so we could find out what happened. But overall...yeah-I liked it. (Still not overly fond of Lorne killing Lindsey, but that's meant for another thread entirely,lol)

Oh, and Spike finally getting positive feedback for his 'bloody awful' poetry? Genius!
 
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Marisa
Lol at Spike finally he got his poetry moment. I know what you mean about Lorne.
Watched this again today and really enjoyed it. Wes's death is an extremely poignant moment, like someone else mentioned an amazing turnaround from when he first appeared in Buffy.

I love Spike's talk at the club before the battle, typical Spike. :biggrin3:

Connor's very much likeable in this episode too and i like the scenes he has with Angel.

All in all its a very strong enjoyable episode which gives the show a fitting tribute.

"Lets go to work", for me that was a great way to end the show. :smile3:
 
I just watched this episode for the first time. I thought it was kind of bleak. I mean, at the last episode of Buffy I couldn't stop crying, I thought it was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen, but when I watched this I was just "meh". A good episode isn't just measured in tears of coarse, but I do think there's a huge difference regarding the quality of the shows last episodes. The ending of Buffy was brilliant, the ending of Angel was... okay.

The only thing that really got to me was the way Wes decided to spend his last day (I thought that really showed in what wya his character had evolved and the stage he was in his life) and then, his death (didn't see that one coming!). I haven't read the comics, but I'm actually glad that I read the spoilers in this thread and know what happens. I also thought it was a nice touch that Connor came back. He's one of my all time high faves, even if I liked him better when he was dark (but I'm really happy he got such a happy ending, he really deserved it, but he was much more interesting when he wasn't).
 
I just watched this episode for the first time. I thought it was kind of bleak. I mean, at the last episode of Buffy I couldn't stop crying, I thought it was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen, but when I watched this I was just "meh". A good episode isn't just measured in tears of coarse, but I do think there's a huge difference regarding the quality of the shows last episodes. The ending of Buffy was brilliant, the ending of Angel was... okay.

The only thing that really got to me was the way Wes decided to spend his last day (I thought that really showed in what wya his character had evolved and the stage he was in his life) and then, his death (didn't see that one coming!). I haven't read the comics, but I'm actually glad that I read the spoilers in this thread and know what happens. I also thought it was a nice touch that Connor came back. He's one of my all time high faves, even if I liked him better when he was dark (but I'm really happy he got such a happy ending, he really deserved it, but he was much more interesting when he wasn't).


I'd disagree, i thought the end of Angel was very powerful and a great way to end the show. I thought the episode itself was very strong and full of great moments.

After i watched it recently i even thought to myself it might have been a stronger episode than "Chosen".

I can understand people being frustrated with the ending but other than that what more would you have wanted?

The line "Lets go to work" fitted in so well at the end that it sort of made up for the ending if you know what i mean. :biggrin3:
 
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