Angel ep by ep; SPIN THE BOTTLE-amnesia and alienation

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SPIN THE BOTTLE

The Good;
All of it, easily one of the best episodes of season 4, obviously with a debt to Buffy's Tabula Rusa but with a delicious spin of it's own. Unlike 'The Shroud of Rahmon' the framing device of Lorne with an invisible audience is terrific, he even breaks the 4th wall. If there is a favourite moment I think it would be CC declaring Fred as 'all neck' and Fred giving the 'mother of all shrugs'.

The Bad;
Only thing I can find wrong is that the commentary is not as good as you'd hoped despite having Joss and Alexis. Again though wouldn't Liam notice his lack of heartbeat etc?

Best line:
Gunn; "What happened to you man?"
Wes; "I had my throat cut and my friends abandoned me"

Jeez, how did they get away with that?

Apocalypses: 5

Angel Cliches

Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

In disguise; 8

DB get's his shirt off; 12

Cheap Angel; 5

Fang Gang in bondage: poor Lorne gets taped
Cordy: 5
Angel: 12
Wes: 6
Gunn; 4
Lorne; 5
Fred; 2

Fang gang knocked out: poor Lorne againx2 plus Gunn
Cordy: 12
Angel: 15
Wes: 5
Doyle; 1
Gunn; 2
Lorne; 6
Groo; 1

Kills: Gunn says he's been killing vamps since he was 12 . He threatens to cut Lorne's head off although we actually know that wouldn't kill him. Another vamp for Connor who is starting to catch his old man up.
Cordy: 6 vamps, 3½ demons
Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 8 humans
Doyle; 1 vamp
Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 2 humans
Kate; 3 vamps
Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
Gunn; 11 vamps+ 12 demons.
Groo; 1 demon
Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon
Connor; 9 vamps and 2 demon

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 2
Angel: 2
Gunn; 1
Wes; 1

Alternate Fang Gang: teenage everyone
Cordy: 4
Angel: 10
Fred; 2
Wes; 1
Gunn; 1

Characters killed:
46

Recurring characters killed;
8;

Total number of Angel Investigations:
Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 11
Wes; 1

Packing heat;
Wes; 6
Doyle; 1
Angel; 3
Gunn; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 4 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo
Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
Gunn; 1 Fred
Fred; 1 Gunn
Groo; 1Cordy

Kinky dinky:
Wes' projecting stake and Fred's fear of aliens probing her helpless naked body. Liam is all for the sinful desires. Connor get's felt up by a hooker and CC promises to sleep with him if he kills Angel. CC is delighted with her bountiful adult breasts, Fred disappointed she seems not to have much. CC says 'Hello salty goodness' when she sees Liam which is exactly what she said about Angel when they first meet. CC in her towel. She thinks that danger makes her hot, she said the same about Xander and her in 'Dopplegangland'. CC thinks Angel is deviant because he didn't try anything with her.

Captain Subtext;
CC thinks Gunn and Wes wrestling is homo-erotic. CC wonders how Wes got the title 'head boy'? Note CC treats Fred EXACTLY as she treated season 1 Willow.

Know the face, different character; 4

Parking garages;
6,

Guantanamo Bay;
Liam is alarmingly racist (as indeed is Keith Topping in his book) both against Wesley as an Englishman and Gunn as a slave. Ironically he later comments that people are ganging up upon him because he's different and he accuses THEM of being hypocrites. CC comments that she know's who's president and wishes she didn't. Weird, I'd have always thought of her as a right wing girl. Gunn suggests that if something looks wrong it should die which is a lot different as to how he thought in 'That Old Gang of Mine'.

Buffy characters on Angel; 16
Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

Questions and observations;
Fred is a cannabis smoker. Maybe it doesn't make you dumb after all? Liam thinks the cars outside are demons which is exactly what C17th noblewoman Buffy thought in Halloween. Interestingly Wes refers to the Watcher's academy being in Hampshire which means it may have survived Caleb's attack on the London base and helps Buffy&co in season 8. Interestingly Angel doesn't trust magic, much like Connor. Wes is very Bond as has been commented on before. Gunn's fears that he's just the 'muscle' (the BA Barracus?) of AI once more come to the fore. Interesting to see him as an angry young man just as we saw in 'Double or nothing'. Some funny mocking of Angel's very poor Irish accent. Gunn votes that they don't put Wes in charge, a ref back to 'There's no place like plze grb'. Note that when Gunn goes for a weapon he instinctively selects his hubcap axe even though he's amnesiac. Note also Fred fondles the palms, Illyria later able to mind meld with them.
Lorne smokes again. Even though he's his teenage goof self Wes is still heroic, pitting himself unhesitatingly against a vamp to save Fred and CC and quite a good leader. Lorne tells Fred 'look into your heart' which is the famous line from 'Miller's Crossing', the greatest gangster film ever. Our first glimpse of The Beast.
Marks out of 10; 10/10 stunning
 
Season 4 was like having my fingernails pulled out. If I hadn't known Spike would be coming back in season 5 I probably would've quit watching then. I suffered to get to season 5, and it was worth it. I hated season 4 though. I'm sure there were some other decent episodes I'm not thinking about right now, but in general, yuck.
 
Actually my favourite of the seasons but that might be largely because of the Faith/Angelu arc
 
Wonderful episode and in my mind better than Tabula Rasa. Which is saying a lot since I love that episode.

Season 4 isn't my favourite season but lately I've come to the conclusion that it's only because of a few episodes. For most part I really enjoy this season.
 
After rewatching S4 once or twice it has really grown on me to become my 2nd favorite behind S5. The Faith/Angelus arc all appear in my Angel top 10 episode list. Actually to be honest the whole Beast arc from Spin the Bottle, Apocalypse Nowish, Habeas Corpses through Calvary, Salvage, Release, Orpheus is some of the best TV the Buffyverse has put out. Also the real heart of the Jasmine stuff is pretty good, and Home is also a very good episode. Then again that may not be to taste for some people.


Give it a chance, after you let the sheer revulsion of Condelia (or whatever you wanna call it) melt away you will find the season MUCH more enjoyable.
 
I'm watching Angel with my husband now (his first time) and we're on season 2. I'll probably like season 4 better this time because I'll know what to expect.
 
I looooved this one. Seeing teen Wesley was delightful. I liked all of them, though.


" Is there anything worse than feeling like you're all alone? Like you're the only person in the world who thinks the way you do, and if anyone else found out, they'd drive a pointy wooden thing through your heart?"-Lorne 😛
 
decent episode, with some really funny moments.


Love the score that plays, when everyone gets their memory back.
 
definitely one of my favorite ever eps -they're hilarious as teens most Wesley. Haha, I laugh just thinking about it. will have to watch this sometime soon again. I think it's highly enjoyable from start to finish, there isn't really a bad. Oh and it was great seeing 'old' Cordy again. "Hello salty goodness" might be one of my favorite lines ever
 
It was a funny episode no doubt but it really lacked originality. I mean Josh Weddon wrote Tabula Rasha on Buffy and then this with a slight twist on the whole memory loss thing? (OK instead of losing their memories completely they turned 17 again...same dif).
 
Did Cordelia start school a year late or get held back? If 17 year old Cordy doesn't know about the paranormal that means she was 17 pre-BtVS S1. That season began (for the characters) around January or March of their sophomore year of high school. The average age for sophomore year is 15/16.
 
I'd just like to take the time out to talk about how Liam was depicted. This proved my theory that he wasn't an inherently bad person. He wasn't born the drunken womanizer that he became, in fact he was a reasonably quiet, somewhat awkward but charming boy.

Liam's vices were acts of rebellion against an over puritanical father.
 
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Did Cordelia start school a year late or get held back? If 17 year old Cordy doesn't know about the paranormal that means she was 17 pre-BtVS S1. That season began (for the characters) around January or March of their sophomore year of high school. The average age for sophomore year is 15/16.

Ages on Buffy are always left a little vague, we only ever have Buffy's birthday and it seems to vary over time.

Yeah STB owes an obvious debt to Tabula Rusa and Joss reuses the idea again in Dollhouse but it makes it more interesting when the characters are their youthful selves rather than total amnesiacs
 
Season 4 was like having my fingernails pulled out. If I hadn't known Spike would be coming back in season 5 I probably would've quit watching then. I suffered to get to season 5, and it was worth it. I hated season 4 though. I'm sure there were some other decent episodes I'm not thinking about right now, but in general, yuck.

^ Agreed. Good to see pre-weasel Wesley in this episode though and glad everyone were pals again in season 5.
 
Lorne talking about the commercials that came on during the commercial break is pretty cool, and certainly the only example of 4th-wall-breaking in the Buffyverse.

I don't think Liam is exactly racist here - he's more just a product of his society. Having him behave any differently would have been anachronistic. Irish animosity against the English was pretty well entrenched (and quite justifiable) at the time, and I think a lot of Irish people would claim that at the time they felt kinship with African slaves as another repressed minority - you certainly don't have to go as far back in history as Liam's lifespan to find the infamous "No Irish, no blacks, no dogs" signs in England. That is still exists today is clear in "Rm w/a Vu" with Doyle's reaction to Cordelia's "your part of England".
 
The characterisation of Wesley in this was just brilliant-he's such an idiot as a teenager, isn't he? "Perhaps the whole point of this experiment is HAIR!" 🙂
Fred likes weed? Always the quiet ones...🙂
Gunn was great too-and how wonderful was it to see Cordelia 'Queen C' Chase back? Though I have to agree with a lot of the posts on here-you'd think she'd remember Angel, and know more about demons, since she's supposed to be 17.

Lorne's narration was inspired too-"I know I'm supposed to be unconscious during this part of the story-but can you BELIEVE these mooks?!"

Sorry, it's my fave Angel ep, so I'm prone to babbling,lol. Feel free to gag me!
 
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Now I'm laughing hysterically at that hair quote!
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