Angel ep by ep; THE CAUTIONARY TALE OF NUMERO CINCO

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THE CAUTIONARY TALE OF NUMERO CINCO

The Good;
Love the return of the brothers and love the idea of El Diablo Robotico, we MUST see that in the Angel comics some time. Love Angel's cadiallac and the ref to Holland Manners.

The Bad;
Angel seems very rough with No5 at his apartment, he could have killed him! Don't you think Angel's rather full of himself about being the hero.

Best line;
Angel; "Wes, did you ever hear about the devil building a robot?"
Wes; "Ah, el diablo robotico!"
Angel; "No one ever tells me anything"

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Hearts cut from bodies

Apocalypses: 5

Angel Cliches

In disguise; 8

DB/JM get's his shirt off; 17,

Cheap Angel; 7
Subverting the cliche; Angel's heart no good because it's 'dried up beef jerky'. No5 thinks Angel wants to drag him into the quest but actually just wants to give him some mail. After Angel's stirring speech No5 just jumps on the bus

Fang Gang in bondage:
Cordy: 5
Angel: 14
Wes: 7
Gunn; 5
Lorne; 5
Fred; 3

Fang gang knocked out:
Cordy: 15
Angel: 19
Wes: 7
Doyle; 1
Gunn; 2
Lorne; 7
Groo; 1
Connor; 1
Faith; 1
Fred; 3

Kills; Angel kills the demon with a little help from his friends (or should that be amigos?)
Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
Angel; 45 vamps, 61 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf
Doyle; 1 vamp
Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
Kate; 3 vamps
Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
Groo; 1 demon
Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 3
Angel: 3
Gunn; 1
Wes; 1

Alternate Fang Gang;
Cordy: 4
Angel: 11
Fred; 2
Wes; 1
Gunn; 1
Connor; 1
Lorne; 1

Characters killed: 4+No5 victims, the security guards have to be the redshirts of the Buffyverse
2261

Recurring characters killed; No5
10

Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Spike however is now coming along for the ride on investigations.
Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 14
Wes; 2

Packing heat; Wes with his shotgun (nice gag about the weapons check)
Wes; 10
Doyle; 1
Angel; 4
Gunn; 3
Fred; 2

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
Fred; 1 Gunn
Groo; 1Cordy

Kinky dinky:
Spike remarks he can't 'diddle his willy'. He again refers to Harmony as 'his old tumble' and is jealous that she's now Angel's pet.

Captain Subtext;
Angel remarks of 'the father will kill the son' to Wes who hasn't a clue what he's talking about. How much do the rest of the gang remember? Spike refers to Angel as a drama queen. Now of course Liam is the Irish version of William so maybe 'diddle his willy' has another meaning?

Know the face, different character; 5

Parking garages;
8,

Guantanamo Bay
Buffy characters on Angel; 16.
Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil

What the fanficcers thought;


Missing scenes;

Questions and observations;
Great ref where the man who recruits number 5 is Holland Manners from season 2. Can anyone tell me whom the aging starlet Lorne is referring to? Wonder Woman referenced, this is at a time when Joss was planning the movie which sadly didn't come off (love to have seen ED or CC in the role). Very clear that Gunn is the most comfortable at WR&H. Angel's photographic memory again. Angel appears to limp some of the time, because of the beatings he's recieved or because DB's knee is giving him trouble? Note Spike knows how to defeat the demon through his poetic soul. Angel enters No5's home without an invite but does No5 dragging him inside count as one? So what happens the medallion after the fall of WR&H? Love to see it and the creature turn up some time in Fray.

Marks out of 10; 6/10, ok but not brilliant
 
I know a lot of people don't like this episode but I always quite enjoy it. i've always loved this line:

NUMBER 5
You are one strange man, Seà¯nor Angel.

ANGEL
I'm not the one in a mask standing in a cemetery in the middle of the night.

NUMBER 5
No. But you will be.
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And that was before we knew where Angel was heading...
 
VisionGirl
VisionGirl
Season 8 reference here?
Yes, I think we have a subtle call back to No5 in Soul Purpose when Angel dreams he is the office mailman.

And I just realised I mistitled this thread!
 
Tranquillity
Tranquillity
I'll fix it for you :)
I always liked this episode because of how really true to life it was, and what a lesson that it could teach the younger generation. Namely, NEVER underestimate the old fat guy, because he'll surprise the he** out of you every time. To quote Dracula in the "Wolves At The Gate" ARC, "IT'S THE OLD MAN WHO YOU HAVE TO FEAR."

Seriously, I always liked this episode simply for the idea that there have always been heroes, men, and women, who take responsibility for and protect their community. It's nice to know, even if it's in a fantasy world inhabited by vampires and Slayers, that every time that the devil decides to build a robot, there will always be someone there to defeat it, even if they have to crawl right up out of their graves to get the job done. Kinda corny, I know, but then I'm kind of a corny guy.
 
I didn't like this ep, but it's not my least favorite. I could sit through it. lol The only episode I could barely watch was Why We Fight.
I almost fell asleep :lmao:
 
This episode wasn't terrible, but then again my definition of terrible is Bad Eggs and Beer Bad mating, and then being forced to watch their lovechild of an episode for all of eternity.

I, uh, had to convince myself this episode was a dream in order to continue taking Angel as a series, well, seriously.
 
BuffyElevated
BuffyElevated
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I've seen worse episodes ... but really, this more than anything seemed like a ploy to get more of the Latino television audience with the Mexican wrestling scenes and what not.

It also doesn't really make sense. Holland Manners asks no.5 to join W&H because they could use a man like him ... but he spends the next 50 years as the mail clerk? Also, is no.5 supernatural or human ... he would have been at least 70 years old in the episode, but seemingly didn't age since his event with the Aztec demon.
 
You know this is the only episode of Angel beside for She that I can fall asleep too if I am watching. She at least has Angel's dancing to keep me entertained and Wesley's but there is always something about this episode that bores me. I'm not saying it is the worst thing I have ever seen but out of Angel it is pretty boring IMO.
 
I didn't care for this episode, I mainly thought it was really boring.
 
This episode is embarrassing, it's an insult to the show.
Mexican wrestler brothers fighting demons, what is that?!!
Not only is this episode super boring it has a story that's about as dumb as a retarted donkey!

I hate that scene where the old number 5 guy is telling Angel the story of his life, and Angel just sits there with this stupid look on his face like his totally intrigued by what his hearing.. Why would they make this?!
 
This was pretty surreal. What's with the wrestling brothers disappearing at the end? Suggesting there was some magical pact between the brothers or perhaps it really was a dream Angel had.

Did Spike read the prophecies or just think about trying?
3/10 for Wesley continuing to shoot at the bulletproof chest-plate and not go for the kneecap.
I notice Eve isn't quite so cocky in this episode 😛
 
No disrespect to anyone that likes this episode but I think it was so random. It didnt fit in at all. It was just some weird random episode that somehow made it into the series lol. I thought it was pointless.
 
Username said:
This episode is embarrassing, it's an insult to the show.
Mexican wrestler brothers fighting demons, what is that?!!
Not only is this episode super boring it has a story that's about as dumb as a retarted donkey!

I hate that scene where the old number 5 guy is telling Angel the story of his life, and Angel just sits there with this stupid look on his face like his totally intrigued by what his hearing.. Why would they make this?!
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Yeah, much more realistic to have a story about an ex-cheerleader who fights vampires and demons, has a sister who is actually a green ball of glowing energy, and has a boyfriend who lives in a crypt, drinks blood, and writes bloody awful poetry.

Or maybe a street gang of homeless kids who chase vampires down in a pickup truck with wooden stakes bolted on the hood.

A karaoke bar run by a green guy with red eyes and horns?

A girl who has to wear rubber gloves to avoid electrocuting anyone she touches?

Why would they make this? Because it's a show based on a fantasy format, and Numeral Cinco and his brothers are fantasy characters.

And for some of us, Angel's always got a rather stupid expression on his face.

But, seriously, there are always episodes of a series who some people for some reason enjoy, while other people only see as extremely yawn-worthy at best, and get-up-and-change-channels-worthy at worst. It just depends on whether or not there is some plot element that sparks the interest, for some often unknown reason, of the individual viewer.
 
white avenger said:
Yeah, much more realistic to have a story about an ex-cheerleader who fights vampires and demons, has a sister who is actually a green ball of glowing energy, and has a boyfriend who lives in a crypt, drinks blood, and writes bloody awful poetry.

Or maybe a street gang of homeless kids who chase vampires down in a pickup truck with wooden stakes bolted on the hood.

A karaoke bar run by a green guy with red eyes and horns?

A girl who has to wear rubber gloves to avoid electrocuting anyone she touches?

Why would they make this? Because it's a show based on a fantasy format, and Numeral Cinco and his brothers are fantasy characters.

And for some of us, Angel's always got a rather stupid expression on his face.

But, seriously, there are always episodes of a series who some people for some reason enjoy, while other people only see as extremely yawn-worthy at best, and get-up-and-change-channels-worthy at worst. It just depends on whether or not there is some plot element that sparks the interest, for some often unknown reason, of the individual viewer.
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It's not that it's not realistic, obviously nothing of it is it's just too, I don't know how to explain it but it's the same with Why We Fight, like the writers try too hard to put them in an interesting situation but it's just lame.
 
I think that the writers, probably under Joss' direction, are supposed to come up with a certain number of stand alone episodes that can best be described as "change of pace," just in an attempt to keep the show interesting, and, as I said, some of them interest one group, some interest another. "The Cautionary Tale..." appealed to me simply because it centered around a man who could at best be described as "no longer young," a category that I seem to find myself in these days.

Just as you dislike this episode, other than a certain comedic quality (and yes, I do realize that that was exactly what it was supposed to be for) and to, I believe, reconcile some of the viewers as to just why Angel would wind up in bed with Nina the next week, "The Girl In Question' seems to be a total waste of time to me, especially considering how late in the season it takes place, and the fact that the title role was supposed to have been a reprise by Sarah of her role as Buffy, and she very obviously wasn't there, even in some sort of stock footage flashback, the way that she was in the beginning episode that introduced Spike as a new regular.

Different stories appeal to different people, a perfect example of the "some of the people, some of the time" rule, and I just happened to fall in the category of the ones who enjoyed it.
 
white avenger said:
I think that the writers, probably under Joss' direction, are supposed to come up with a certain number of stand alone episodes that can best be described as "change of pace," just in an attempt to keep the show interesting, and, as I said, some of them interest one group, some interest another. "The Cautionary Tale..." appealed to me simply because it centered around a man who could at best be described as "no longer young," a category that I seem to find myself in these days.

Just as you dislike this episode, other than a certain comedic quality (and yes, I do realize that that was exactly what it was supposed to be for) and to, I believe, reconcile some of the viewers as to just why Angel would wind up in bed with Nina the next week, "The Girl In Question' seems to be a total waste of time to me, especially considering how late in the season it takes place, and the fact that the title role was supposed to have been a reprise by Sarah of her role as Buffy, and she very obviously wasn't there, even in some sort of stock footage flashback, the way that she was in the beginning episode that introduced Spike as a new regular.

Different stories appeal to different people, a perfect example of the "some of the people, some of the time" rule, and I just happened to fall in the category of the ones who enjoyed it.
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Right, and I happened to someone who did not like that episode and I was just expressing my feelings towards it. I thought it was crap, much like the rest of season 5.
 
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xfivebyfive
Season 5 was crap.
white avenger said:
I always liked this episode because of how really true to life it was, and what a lesson that it could teach the younger generation. Namely, NEVER underestimate the old fat guy, because he'll surprise the he** out of you every time. To quote Dracula in the "Wolves At The Gate" ARC, "IT'S THE OLD MAN WHO YOU HAVE TO FEAR."

Seriously, I always liked this episode simply for the idea that there have always been heroes, men, and women, who take responsibility for and protect their community. It's nice to know, even if it's in a fantasy world inhabited by vampires and Slayers, that every time that the devil decides to build a robot, there will always be someone there to defeat it, even if they have to crawl right up out of their graves to get the job done. Kinda corny, I know, but then I'm kind of a corny guy.
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ITA with your whole post WA. I don't understand the dislike, I loved this episode, I cried when #5 died. Angel is set in LA, I've never understood why there weren't more Hispanic/Latino characters in the 1st place.

Besides, the idea for this episode didn't just come out of the air. This is from Wikipedia:
Writer/director Jeffrey Bell explains that he always wanted to work Mexican wrestling into one of his The X-Files scripts, but it wasn't until he pitched the idea to creator Joss Whedon that he was able to realize his "lifelong dream - to tell a story about Mexican wrestlers."[1] The inspiration for the episode came partly from the real life Mexican wrestler Santo whose career included film roles as masked "luchador" fighting vampires and other supernatural foes, one of whose films was used in the Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode "Samson And The Vampire Women".[2]
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My fav quote is Lorne to Fred: "Oh, you're all woman. You're everywoman. You're Wonder Woman!" To which Fred responds "Damn straight!"
 
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