Angel: Is he to blame, mostly?

^ You have a good point. Anne and her organization could have helped out a lot. It existed to help troubled teens. Gunn could have used some of his street contacts to get Connor set up with one of the less nefarious gangs out there, too. I mean, I know gangs are kind of looked down upon (and with good reason when it comes to the big, famous ones), but isn't their essential function to provide family, tribe-like protection in communities in which that is often lacking? In a case like Connor's, a gang like Gunn's old gang could have provided both protection and purpose, not to mention companionship. Even Giles, if he could have been prevailed upon to work with Angel for two seconds, could possibly have been prevailed upon to help. He proved quite adept at finding "special" teenagers and putting them to use in the slayer army. And before the council went boom, he had access to council resources, as well. I'm sure he could at least have finagled some false documentation for the boy.

While we're on the Sunnydale side of things, another not-so-radical notion would have been to have told Buffy & co. about Connor's existence. Buffy had some experience with the whole being a kid with superpowers thing. She really could have helped him out -- and used his help in the battle against The First. Also, I think souled!Spike could have been of help to the boy -- if only by giving Connor a glimpse of what his father went through.

Heck, if nothing else, I'm sure the Burkles would have taken him in. Some time with those kind folks could have been just what Connor needed.


Sidenote: Speaking of enemies, I'll bet you Dru would just loooove to get her razor-sharp, blood-splattered little fingers on Darla's and Angel's boy. He's family, after all.
 
palabravampiress said:
Sidenote: Speaking of enemies, I'll bet you Dru would just loooove to get her razor-sharp, blood-splattered little fingers on Darla's and Angel's boy. He's family, after all.
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*shudders* Think about Dru turning Connor into a vamp - then referring to him randomly as brother, uncle and son, while kumshucking him every once in a while...

Well I have to admit... human(ish) Connor is already troubled and disturbed enough that Vamp!Connor might actually make a very good, if thoroughly psycho, fit with Dru. They could call themselves the Demented Duo. 🙂
 
The only problem with placing Connor with someone like Anne's facility, a gang, the Burkle's etc. is that he is not going to listen to an authority figure. As far as he's concerned, he's the alpha male and there is no way he would simply sit back and take orders. That's why Angel couldn't just send him to someone else. Connor's grown, he's self sufficient, and he needed to learn that he's not the top dog in Angel&Co. and he wasn't going to learn that by Angel going easy on him.

Plus he'd probably just try to stake Spike if he met him.....

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About the Buffy thing, I have no doubt that would have worked for a while. It would have been just like with Faith. Connor would have pushed his boundaries, and Buffy would have corrected him. My fear would have been that Connor would be attracted to Buffy and caused some chaos there. Plus, Buffy was busy trying to raise Dawn and stay afloat, and this was right before the battle with the first. Arguably the best alternative to throwing Connor out on the streets though.
 
Randiann-

That's true, he may have gone nutty with Buffy's gang. But, he seemed rather mushy toward Cordy, even when she was in charge. He also seemed to like Holtz. His alpha male tendencies seemed mostly aimed at Angel and not having a place to fit in.
He might not have liked Spike, but Spike hates Angel, which would have helped. And then there is Dawn, who also doesn't "belong" and "shouldn't exist".
I think Angel's BIGGEST downfall as a parent is NOT realizing that Connor was GONE all that time and that this "you should love me because I'm your Dad" doesn't really cut it in this instance.
If he had been more apt to treat him the way they treated Fred, I believe things could have gone better. Which is probably how Buffy and Co. would have treated him. Just like another member of the gang with Super Powers.

Not to mention, I just think Dawn and Connor would be GREAT together...the perfect end to Buffy and Angel's love story.
 
I don't think Connor would have gone nutty with Buffy, but that Connor would have pushed his limits just like he did with Faith and the Buffy would have stopped him in his tracks. He's going to push until he finds someone who can push back harder (like a slayer). But Buffy's situation would have made it hard for her to deal with a troubled teen. She had alot on her plate already without having to put Connor in his place all the time.

And I think Connor would have seen Spike as just another pile of dust waiting to happen. He hates ALL vampires, just because a vampire hates Angel won't make them buds.

Angel did screw up. But was it his fault necessarily? No. It was an unfortunate situation and he did the best he could. That doesn't mean a happy ending all the time.
 
well there are two sides to every story, but if he hadnt kicked connor out then cordy never wouldve run off, they wouldnt have gotton it on

and voila

no godess that wants to enslave the human race

so im gonna go with yeahhhh
 
I pretty much blame season 4 on Joss and his writing team. Though we got a few good episodes, it was pretty much a letdown compared to, say, the first three seasons. And I think it being a whole season-long arc was bad too. Stand-alones that have arc-y elements in them work so much better than all-arc.
 
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