Angel Survives the Alley

The movie is canon in some aspects but not others. The movie dictates a lot about Buffy's life prior to Sunnydale.

The one fact that has to be ignored is the fact that in the movie, Buffy was a senior and on the show she was called as a Freshman.
 
I've always looked at the movie as being what would happen if some hack movie director ever got ahold of the story of Buffy Summers.

Maybe at some point in the future she saves the life of this director who then becomes fascinated by the world of slayers and vampires and manages to find out the details of Buffy's origin. He then decides to make a movie about it but unfortunately an awful lot of the details he gathered are either inaccurate or totally false. Add that to his flare for camp characters and hammy actors and you get the movie.

You can just imagine Buffy, Willow and Xander attending the premiere of the movie!

Xander - "So Buffy, vampire induced cramps huh? What's that all about?" 😀
 
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Cordelia
lol...thank god they left the cramps out of the show.
Thanks cordelia, i'd " add to your reputation but it says i need to spread it around a bit first, so thanks!!!
 
Further Angel comic news which I saw on Whedonesque and BBC Cult -

Jeff Mariotte will be writing the initial five part mini-series with input from Joss, so I guess it will be as close to canon as it gets without being written by Joss, and artist David Messina will illustrate the story. The first part will be out in June.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/cult/2005/02/07/16938.shtml
 
Further to my post above ^^ this appears to be the original interview with Jeff Mariotte -

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/features/110791695145851.htm

It seems that Joss's input may not be as substantial as I first thought from reading the BBC Cult article.

"NASO: What kind of input has "Angel" creator Joss Whedon had on The Curse?

MARIOTTE: This is a trickier question that it appears, because in the world of licensing there is a difference between "approval" and "input," and I'm not sure what the legal relationship between Fox and Mutant Enemy is. My impression is that Fox is doing everything in its power to make sure Joss is happy with what we do, and I know that Joss is looking at everything and making comments or thumbs-up, thumbs-down on stuff. Like Fox, we want Joss to be satisfied with these [comics] and to be glad that IDW ended up with the license.

NASO: So there isn't some Joss Whedon outline you're working from then; no secret notes for Angel Season Six lying around?

MARIOTTE: No secret notes. I wish there were. Instead, what we were told was to make it up, and if it's wrong they'll tell us."
 
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nerd4hire
Thanks for that. It's something to think about.
No secret season six notes lying around 😀 😀 lol I WISH!!!

Thanks for the extra info Mr. P!
 
I missed that Cordelia. You're a regular Veronica Mars. 😀

It's sounds now like he's saying he has to check in with Fox not Joss.

My impression is that Fox is doing everything in its power to make sure Joss is happy with what we do
 
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Cordelia
Thanks :) I'm just pissed I missed last night's eppie :D
But

I know that Joss is looking at everything and making comments or thumbs-up, thumbs-down on stuff.
at least Joss should be able to nix anything that is wildly wrong.
 
Thank god somebody asked what canon meant earlier. I had an idea based on the context the word was being used, but it's not a word I've come across before.

Surely, with there not being much talk now of movies or spin-offs or anything else - we have to take what we can get? It sounds as though JW is a lot more involved in ANGEL: CURSED than we are supposed to believe (due to the legalities of it all) because I don;t think JW would let someone else just run away with one of his creations.

I'm just happy to know that Angel survives. It was his journey I was following for god knows how many years, and he was the reason I got into BUFFY in the first place. (I read a review of "City Of" in SFX and thought that the preimse sounded really good and that got me into BUFFY.)

If this mini-series is a success, then we have been promised more of these mini-series - which will inlcude other characters from the Buffyverse (or most likely ANGEL).

I just hoped that the writers have all of the information correct this time. I bought a number of the ANGEL novels when the show was in it's first season, and human Angel was consistently called Angelus, and not Liam - as we found out in A15 "The Prodigal". This proved to me that the writers of the books and the writers of the show don't bang their heads together very often.

Although there were no Season Six scripts lying around, David Fury described what they had in store for the characters in a post-apocalyptic world in a sort of Mad Max stylee) and it sounded so cool. Would love to know if this idea has been completely thrown out fo the window.
 
I'll definitely be picking up the series, I'm just pissed it's not Dark Horse who's making them. IDW wants like 4 bucks a pop for the comics! They are selling an advance subscription for the 5 part series at the IDW Store page. But it's 20 bucks, so it's not really a discount. I hear that IDW is doing at least one Spike one shot as well.
I hope that the series is good, and it's very influenced by Joss, because reading some off the wall thing that isn't part of Joss's plan, is just plain annoying. But my curiosity will make me buy them either way..
 
Personally I'm skeptical, but TV Guide reports Joss is "closely supervising" the IDW comics.

NEWS BITES

ANGEL, SPIKE RETURN (SORT OF): The BUFFY spin-off series ANGEL ended its WB run last year on a hauntingly ambigious note: the titular undead bloodsucker and his cohorts were about to plunge into a seemingly hopeless battle against a vast horde of demonic creatures. Angel fired off one last quip, raised his sword... and that was it. The End. We were left to wonder if any of the so-called "Fang Gang" survived, and we had every reason to suppose they didn't. But in the latest issue of TV GUIDE, BUFFY and ANGEL creator Joss Whedon reveals that this summer two comic books will reveal what happened after the ANGEL series finale. June 29's ANGEL: THE CURSE will follow Angel to Europe as he tries to track down the gypsies who cursed him with a soul, while August's SPIKE: OLD TIMES will follow Spike as he reuintes with a former crush turned vengeance demon. While Whedon isn't writing June 29's ANGEL: THE CURSE or August's SPIKE: OLD TIMES, he is closely supervising them. "You do want to do everything yourself," Whedon admits, "but every now and then somebody shows you something you haven't thought of, and it's really charming."

http://www.darkworlds.com/ls/art_18546.html
 
Here is a more exact quote of what Joss said to TV Guide. How the Guide jumps from this to suggest Joss is working with the current writers of the upcoming Spike/Angel comics to tell us what happened in the alley (which seems to be the latest assumption), I'll never Know.

Spike and Angel Rise from Grave
by Ethan Alter



Spike



Cancelation, like death, doesn't seem to stop vampires. Characters from three defunct Joss Whedon series "” Buffy, Angel and Firefly "” are being resurrected this summer in comic-book form.

First up, on June 29 is Angel: The Curse, IDW Publishing's five-part story set after the events of last year's apocalyptic series finale. The story finds Angel in Romania searching for the Gypsy tribe that cursed him with a soul a century ago. IDW also brings back Angel's former rival for Buffy's affections in the one-shot Spike: Old Times in August. The blond Brit will reunite with a vengeance demon and former crush...


TVGuide.com: What is your exact involvement with these different comic-book projects?

Joss Whedon: It ranges... For the Angel and Spike comics, I basically told [the writers] areas to stay away from, just in case those were stories that we still might get a chance to tell on film. Otherwise, I pretty much let them do their thing, although I kept peeking over [their shoulders]. For the Serenity comic, I worked out the story with the writer Brett Matthews and have been sort of overseeing the editing and giving notes.

TVG: You're known for being very hands-on when it comes to controlling the direction of your worlds. Is it hard to watch other people write adventures for these characters?

Whedon: I get the usual mix of feelings: horror, pride and fun. You do want to do everything yourself, but every now and then, someone shows you something you haven't thought of and it's really charming. It's tough because I'm very strict about the canon of my shows, but at the same time, you have to let people create. As long as it's responsible, all they have to do is make it engaging and I'm satisfied.

TVG: What advantages do comic books offer over film?

Whedon: For one thing, there's no budget. The artists can't say, "I can't afford to draw a dragon." Also, you can tell stories in all kinds of odd ways and you're not beholden to sponsors. But at the same time, while you can do almost anything, a Buffy comic is going to be picked up by younger people, so you have to look out for what you're doing there. And ultimately, you don't have four acts and an episode a week "” you have 22 pages and an episode a month. So, in a way, it's very similar. But you do have great leeway to do whatever you want in terms of visuals. We have a space-heist sequence in the Serenity comic. That's an expensive proposition in a movie or TV show. It's zero gravity and Nathan Fillion [who plays Mal Reynolds in Serenity] hates harnesses. But his comic-book self doesn't mind floating at all! He's the most perfect gentleman I've ever worked with. [Laughs]

TVG: Do you think any of these comics will become ongoing series?
Whedon: I could see it happening. But for me, it's about getting the story out that you're telling right now. Don't worry about the next thing. You have to keep your eyes on the prize, and right now that prize is trying to make a three-part comic that's worth your time and spare change, and a movie that's worth putting your butt in the theater. If both of those things work, then I'll have to work more. And if they don't work, I'll wish I had to work more.

TVG: Finally, will we ever learn what happened in that alleyway in the series finale of Angel?

Whedon: Of course. I have every intention of keeping the Buffyverse alive "” and not just in flashback tales that I'm not connected to. And if I can't do it with the actors I love, I might just do it with drawings of the actors I love.

View the whole article here
 
it shouldn't be hard to find. Even if your local comic store doesn't have any copies, there are dozens of online comic shops that can supply it. Try Milehigh Comics, Shop@Newsarama, Midtown Comics and I think you might even be able to purchase it straight from the publisher, IDW comics.
 
I just picked up a copy off ebay and don't get me wrong, it was the best Angel comic I've read, but I was disappointed. I'd better use spoiler tags:

For one thing it was short. Very little happened. A huge chunk of the comic was just taken up by Angel telling of things we already knew.

Angel was the only character included, I was expecting the others in flashbacks (which we did see) but I thought that they'd at least have a speaking role.

Although this comic is set after Not Fade Away, there is NOTHING to suggest what happened. Not even the tiniest hint, a suggestion that someone else survived, nothing. In fact all I got from the comic was that Nina is still dating Angel.

I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, 5***** for the artwork and storytelling. I think I just got my hopes up too high.
 
Are any of these comics truely canon, because otherwise I'd get confused when (or if) a more canony comic was realeased
 
Xin Rong said:
Are any of these comics truely canon, because otherwise I'd get confused when (or if) a more canony comic was realeased

yes I'd definitely call them canon, if you read the interview you can see that Joss okayed it all. The writers are extremely careful not to include anything that could be proved incorrect if there was to be any more filmed Buffyverse.
 
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