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That's a great little passage Primal Slayer. I'm not sure it proves what you want it to though.
I believe the bit you're talking about is this one:
You understand this is metaphor, right? And it's coming from a Wesley who has had his judgement influenced by some kind of mystic brainwashing. The comment only writes the evil done by Evil-Cordy off to metaphoric birth pains. It doesn't say the actions weren't evil, nor does it say who might be responsible for them. It's only brainwashed Wesley saying, "the end justifies the means".
Let's contrast it with the statement from the real Wesley before the brainwashing occured.
The Cordelia Wesley is talking about here sounds very "Firsty" to me. I emphasize it was THE REAL WESLEY that made the above statement not some brainwashed, cult member, Wesley.
After the real Wesley says this we hear Jasmine off screen tell Wesley the Evil done by Evil-Cordy "must be rectified".
This means one of two things. Either Jasmine is speaking sincerely, and she recognizes the actions of Evil-Cordy as actions she personally finds reprehensible, and in need of being "rectified", or Jasmine is just feeding Wesley a line; in which case we can't believe anything she says.
Another interesting bit from the passage you quoted is this one:
Doesn't this sound like Evil (The First} merging with Good (The Powers That Be-Jasmine).
Now let's look at the orange crystal Evil-Cordy uses when she communicates with Angelus. Here's the bit from Release that references the crystal.
To me this suggests three possibilities as regards the function of the crystal. Either it is used to facilitate the communication between Angelus and Evil-Cordy, it disguises the inner voice Angelus hears, or it does a combination of the two.
It does not disprove the possibility Evil-Cordy could be speaking in a voice representing her true nature. I emphasize the word possibility. That's all I'm suggesting. It's possible the voice we hear represents the true force behind Evil-Cordy.
There's another interesting bit in this little interchange between Angelus and Evil Cordy. It goes like this:
What were these plans? They had nothing to do with anything Jasmine did?
I believe the bit you're talking about is this one:
WESLEY
All the events we've witnesses these past months, all the madness, it was birth pains.
You understand this is metaphor, right? And it's coming from a Wesley who has had his judgement influenced by some kind of mystic brainwashing. The comment only writes the evil done by Evil-Cordy off to metaphoric birth pains. It doesn't say the actions weren't evil, nor does it say who might be responsible for them. It's only brainwashed Wesley saying, "the end justifies the means".
Let's contrast it with the statement from the real Wesley before the brainwashing occured.
WESLEY
It's a spell. Think. Even before its birth, this thing controlled Cordelia, caused her to do unspeakable things. It's evil. Remember the Rain of Fire, permanent midnight, all the horrors done in its name"”
The Cordelia Wesley is talking about here sounds very "Firsty" to me. I emphasize it was THE REAL WESLEY that made the above statement not some brainwashed, cult member, Wesley.
After the real Wesley says this we hear Jasmine off screen tell Wesley the Evil done by Evil-Cordy "must be rectified".
This means one of two things. Either Jasmine is speaking sincerely, and she recognizes the actions of Evil-Cordy as actions she personally finds reprehensible, and in need of being "rectified", or Jasmine is just feeding Wesley a line; in which case we can't believe anything she says.
Another interesting bit from the passage you quoted is this one:
But, first I needed a miracle. And so I arranged one. (touches Connor's face) Through you, Angel, through Darla. That is where my parentage began. Two vampires"”creatures one human corrupted by darkness. And you with a soul"”a miracle already.
Doesn't this sound like Evil (The First} merging with Good (The Powers That Be-Jasmine).
Now let's look at the orange crystal Evil-Cordy uses when she communicates with Angelus. Here's the bit from Release that references the crystal.
BEASTMASTER (O.S.)
Don't worry. (flash to show white-eyed Cordelia in her room at the hotel saying what Angelus is hearing) We'll meet when you're ready.
ANGELUS
Come on. Why the stalling? You whipped up a rain of fire, blotted out the sun, earthquakes...all to maneuver the Brady Bunch into releasing Angel's inner me. Don't you wanna kick the tires?
BEASTMASTER (O.S.)
(as Cordelia speaks, she's holding a glowing orange crystal in the palm of her hand) So beautifully vain, but the whirlwind doesn't always revolve around you. Destruction sometimes is its own reward.
To me this suggests three possibilities as regards the function of the crystal. Either it is used to facilitate the communication between Angelus and Evil-Cordy, it disguises the inner voice Angelus hears, or it does a combination of the two.
It does not disprove the possibility Evil-Cordy could be speaking in a voice representing her true nature. I emphasize the word possibility. That's all I'm suggesting. It's possible the voice we hear represents the true force behind Evil-Cordy.
There's another interesting bit in this little interchange between Angelus and Evil Cordy. It goes like this:
ANGELUS
Hey, man, you're preaching to the guy who ate the choir. Wait, it was you, wasn't it? You pulled just the wrong strings to make them think it was their idea. Got 'em to yank that white, fluffy soul, and stuff it in a jar, and then gone, baby, gone.
BEASTMASTER (O.S.)
Couldn't risk them putting it back in you. I have wonderful plans for you, my sweet boy.
What were these plans? They had nothing to do with anything Jasmine did?