Anyone Wanna Talk Firefly/Serenity

Alright, here I have some evidence that Firefly appeals to folks beyond the buffy-boards and fanboy sites. It's that generations site I hover around:

http://www.fourthturning.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1906

Ignore if you're sick of this, but the theory is that the populations of societies can be broken down into a four part generational cycle that continually repeats itself over time. In the US:

GI generation: the Hero archetype, also called Civics
Silent generation: the Artist archetype, also called Adaptives
Baby Boomers: the Prophet archetype, also called Idealists
GenerationX: the Nomad archetype, also called Reactives

Millenial generation: the next Hero/Civic generation, supposedly

"”Basically, they're saying that Mal and the crew mostly fit the Nomad archetype, like Han Solo, Aragorn, Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins"”rogues wandering around aimlessly in the time between major historical events. So, Mal, Zoe, Jayne are Nomads (like genX). Simon, River, Kaylee are probably Hero/Civics (like millenials).

Their analysis made me think of something else: I get incredibly bored with imaginary politics. Sci-fi politics, Star Wars politics. I'm much more interested in the relationships of the Serenity crewmates than the finer points of galactic conflict, war. But, it's interesting to see how they geekishly, wonkishly try to analize the Unification War.
 
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Ordinarily I, as mod, am supposed to curb linking to other boards, but this makes a valid point. Firefly is being discussed places you didn't used to see it. Interesting thread too.
You know, I hated the Firefly theme at first"”despised. It was mostly the craggy old voice of the guy singing. Just hate the way he draws certain syllables out. Like he's an old 49er on the verge of a major coughing fit.

But, I'm not as hostile to fiddles and banjos, etc as I used to be. I love much of the Americana/roots stuff now. The Firefly theme itself has burrowed into my brain"”particularly like the fiddle quite a bit now.

Got the Serenity comic yesterday. Has Inara on the cover. Art is pretty good, fairly good likenesses in most panels. It is amazing how you can spot Joss's style in just a few short phrases in dialogue balloons. 'Specially when you compare it to the new Angel comic"”pretty generic.
 
Well, just to let everyone know that if you can't or don't want to buy Firefly on DVD, it just started coming on the Sci-Fi channel every Friday and 7p/6c. This Friday was the first two hour episode.
 
"....the screenings create the illusion of scarcity and keep the fan message boards alive by relieving pre-release suspense in little kettle-steam puffs. It creates all-new sub-hierarchies of fans with "I saw it before you did" bragging rights. It inspires free advertising in the form of entertainment-press stories (including, well, this one) about the "Browncoat phenomenon." And, best of all for Team Whedon, revenue from these screenings will very likely be applied to Serenity's opening-weekend gross.

The marketing plan rises to evil-genius levels when you realize all the ways the move from April to September pried open six months' worth of free-publicity for the entire Firefly/Serenity franchise. Since the fan screenings began, Firefly DVD sales have shot up the genre charts at Barnes & Noble and Amazon. In July, a Dark Horse Serenity comic book, written by Whedon, will hit shelves, and the Sci-Fi Channel will soon start broadcasting the 14 Firefly episodes--all of them, in order.

None of which cost Universal a dime.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/757fhfxg.asp
 
ok, i know this probably has nothing to do with what you guys are discussing, but i have something to ask, and i have no idea where to ask it, so i'm posting here.

someone told me recently that serenity might not get a cinematic release here in the uk, and i just wanted to know if this was true! i have yet to see a confirmed release date. it keeps changing!!
i LOVE firefly and i can't wait to see the movie on the big screen, so i hope it doesn't go straight to DVD.
so if someone can help me out, i will be eternally great full!!
 
Another Browncoat-recruit reporting for duty. I watched all Firefly episodes last week, and I read the first two Serenity comics. I still believe Buffy and Angel are better, but Firefly kind of rocked too. (Thanks Faldor, for convincing me to watch.) I don't know whether I consider myself a Browncoat yet, but I will certainly try to catch Serenity's first screening.
 
Lyri said:
ok, i know this probably has nothing to do with what you guys are discussing, but i have something to ask, and i have no idea where to ask it, so i'm posting here.

someone told me recently that serenity might not get a cinematic release here in the uk, and i just wanted to know if this was true! i have yet to see a confirmed release date. it keeps changing!!
i LOVE firefly and i can't wait to see the movie on the big screen, so i hope it doesn't go straight to DVD.
so if someone can help me out, i will be eternally great full!!

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There will be advance screenings in the UK on August 24th, so you can bet it'll get a full theatrical release!

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Hey you guys, the october issue of Sci Fi magazine has a nice piece on Serenity and also Joss's comic book bio.

There's a cool Q&A with Joss, David Goyer and Ron Moore discussing genre TV, why it does and doesn't work, the future, etc.

Also, a fall preview of all the new genre shows.

http://scifi.com/scifimag/
 
Thanks goldenboy.. I love how people post so many links here to sites I would never have come across otherwise..

Anyways, I just needed this thread right now 'cause I've just been to a Swedish movie-site that I usually like, but there is a Serenity-thread where people keep insulting Serenity, Firefly and Joss (and BtVS and Angel) and I'm like the only one who doesn't think this movie will suck. I know I'm being completely silly but that sort of things make me really sad, uh.. And I'm just so glad I won't be in this country when it's the premiere of Serenity.
 
I'm thinking (hoping) this might be a case where critics like Serenity a lot and the studio will plaster positive reviews from the major papers, ebert/roeper, etc all over the print and TV spots. Whether it can really break out into mainstream commercial success...dunno. Maybe it will build up slowly, sleeper style, stay in theaters awhile. But the movie theater business is really slowing down generally. Who knows if Hollywood can turn it back around:


Hollywood's Death Spiral:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2123286/


I can't see how Serenity could possibly suck compared to the average Hollywood sci-fi action flick.
 
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I know, so I'm counting on being able to say "I told you so", to like uh everyone.. ecxept that those annoying people won't even see the movie, probably..
Well they are finally starting to air promos for the movie(which hits sept.30) but the trailer isnt that great since it didnt really give you any information on what the movie is going to be about but ill probably end up seeing it.
 
This may be nothing, but some people say Ron Howard's "Cinderella Man" may have suffered in part because of the title"”kind of, effeminate for a boxing movie.

"Serenity" sounds like a sleeping pill"”like one of those drugs you see on TV with the ten thousand disclaimers and warnings and people smiling, dozing off....

I hope the TV ads make it clear this is a fun action adventure. The masses can be lazy, and fickle.
 
This may be nothing, but some people say Ron Howard's "Cinderella Man" may have suffered in part because of the title"”kind of, effeminate for a boxing movie.

"Serenity" sounds like a sleeping pill"”like one of those drugs you see on TV with the ten thousand disclaimers and warnings and people smiling, dozing off....

I hope the TV ads make it clear this is a fun action adventure. The masses can be lazy, and fickle.


It sounds like you're implying Cinderella Man wasn't a Princess Dairy-like film!?!

Guess I'm part of the lazy masses... 😀 hehe!
 
Well, yeah Alleycat, Cinderella Man was definitely a feelgood Ron Howard Americana fairytale flick, for sure. Not exactly Raging Bull. I loved it for being so old-fashioned and feel-goody.

And Jimmy Braddock was actually an inspiring, traditional tough guy role model for men"”pretty rare with modern films, with all the gangstas and anti-heros. Just thinking that a lot of the 18-25 male demo may have missed out on something they'd like. Maybe they'd have found it boring, dunno.

I'm really just saying that TV can be a lazy person's medium. People can watch it very passively while doing homework or the dishes or whatever. And if you don't pay attention, you can miss a lot of the good stuff.

And I'm thinking how you advertise, present a film can really affect the attention it gets.

You know, I wonder if all this gabbing and analyzing on the 'net has actually helped to improve TV show quality. Helps foster much more sophisticated, careful viewing...
 
Ook, just got Firefly on DVD three days ago, finished it yesterday. Why oh why was it canceled!?!?!?! And why didn't i buy it before now?!?!?! Nathan Fillion rocks my socks. I adore Keely. And I NEED to know what's up with River. I am so glad I only have to wait until the 30th for Serenity!! I adore how they sponateously break into chinese, I love the entire sci-fi western jag and I especially love Alan as Wash. And Knox/Webs in the Message?!?! Love him. And what's his face from Anne as the fed in the pilot, I love that too. I want to know what happens with Mal and Inara! Argh. I seriously hope Serenity does MASSIVELY well in theaters, and Joss still feels like there are stories to be told after the movie and it gets picked back up. Maybe that's selfish, but I want my Firefly!!!! [/babble]
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@Goldenboy - saw an ad about Cinderella Man, it only decreased the chance of me every seeing it.

Anyhow... still haven't seen any ads on Dutch telly 🙁 and it's less than 3 weeks away supposedly.
 
Apparently ads started airing in the UK today around Buffy-time on Sky One, so maybe watching Buffy is the answer (when is it ever not though?)
 
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