Anyone Wanna Talk Lost? (Possible Spoilers)
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Cordelia said:
Not to worry. I believe that ABC is going to replay the entire two hour pilot on Oct 2nd.
Personally, while I enjoyed it, it felt a little Jurassic Park to me. I hope that the beastie doesn't become the focus of the show but that it remains foccused on characters.
Did anyone else get the "Prisoner" vibe? Like it was all some big conspiracy or something?
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You know what though? I think those vibe-things you're talking about are intentional, especially the Jurassic Park one. I think it's like what they used to do on B/A with the LOTR vibe in Chosen or the Tremors monster in Beneath you, or the Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid ending in Not Fade Away. They're nothing more than nods by movie nerds to their favourite movies, or I don't know maybe there's more to it.
I don't think the monster is going to turn out to be a dinosaur though, do you? I wonder if you'll ever even see it. If you do, I bet it will be something you never expected it to be.
I have read a few spoilerish descriptions of the series, nothing specific or anything, but I'm pretty sure of one thing. There's more happening here than what first meets the eye. I don't think that's a spoiler, because when they show the golden lab in the first episode, they pretty much suggest that.
My favourite character so far - the fat guy who was helping the pregnant girl. Go fat guy. Stay out of the woods. 🙂
I don't think the monster is going to turn out to be a dinosaur though, do you? I wonder if you'll ever even see it. If you do, I bet it will be something you never expected it to be.
I have read a few spoilerish descriptions of the series, nothing specific or anything, but I'm pretty sure of one thing. There's more happening here than what first meets the eye. I don't think that's a spoiler, because when they show the golden lab in the first episode, they pretty much suggest that.
My favourite character so far - the fat guy who was helping the pregnant girl. Go fat guy. Stay out of the woods. 🙂
Willow Rosenberg
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I heard the "monsters" were Wild Boards that they had to computer generate because the real boars were too "nice"
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I knew there was a reason I liked it! Go David Fury!
The "fat guy" was very cool. I thought he seemed nice. I liked the looks of the Kate-Jack thing. They seem cool. If you noticed, I *believe* Gavin from Angel is in it.
Also, I heard that
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The "fat guy" was very cool. I thought he seemed nice. I liked the looks of the Kate-Jack thing. They seem cool. If you noticed, I *believe* Gavin from Angel is in it.
Also, I heard that
mysterious guy with the orange-y thing in his mouth, knows more about the island than everyone else
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Lost got 18.7 million viewers. I taped it and I liked it. My brother and sister watched it and liked it and I'm gonna try to get my dad to watch it.
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Here's a good article on lost. It has some minor spoilers, so I'll spoiler tag it, but personally I think you can read it without hampering your enjoyment of what's to come.
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,274|90489|1|,00.html
Here's the first thing anyone should understand about "Lost," ABC's high-profile new adventure drama premiering Wednesday, Sept. 22: It's not really about a hungry monster chasing a bunch of plane crash survivors around a remote desert island.
The ill-tempered, huge but largely unseen beastie plays an unnerving role in the first hour of this promising new series from J.J. Abrams ("Alias") and Damon Lindelof ("Crossing Jordan"), but the show's stories remain tightly focused on the diverse human beings who find themselves thrown together by an air disaster.
Of those 48 survivors, a dozen or so begin to establish themselves as principal characters, among them Jack (Matthew Fox, "Party of Five"); Kate (Evangeline Lilly, "Kingdom Hospital"), an enigmatic beauty; Charley (Dominic Monaghan, "Lord of the Rings"), a young rocker with a painful secret; and Sawyer (Josh Holloway), a wary and possibly violent alpha-male type.
And, in short order, they discover something big and hungry is lurking in the jungle that lines their crash site on the beach.
While emphasizing -- again -- that the monster will figure more as a source of menace that an actively recurring "character" on the show, Abrams says he and Lindelof felt they had to indicate it was on the island from the very first episode.
"If we introduced it in episode nine or 10, you'd feel like, 'What? There's this freaking monster?' It wouldn't make any sense," Abrams explains. "In upcoming scripts, the monster is referenced, but it is in no way in the spotlight of the show."
"I think the monster itself actually represents what we're all scared of," suggests Monaghan, making his U.S. TV series debut here. "For me, 'Lost' is a character study of 13 or 14 people who find themselves thrown together in a situation where, through no fault of their own, they are called upon to face their personal demons."
"If you call it a monster," Abrams says, "it comes kind of disposable and silly and it feels kind of irrelevant or gimmicky. But if you have something that represents terror and represents fear and the darkness of this place, that to me is incredibly valuable."
And "this place," the remote island throbbing with both peril and possibilities, quickly becomes a supporting character in its own right, Fox says.
"'Lost' is about the people, the characters and their relationships," he says. "The title has dual meanings. These people are obviously lost in a physical sense, but they're also personally lost and spiritually lost as individuals -- what they brought, who they were before this crash.
"Each episode will use flashbacks to go back into a character's past and you will learn their history, some of the baggage they may be hoping to leave behind, all within the context of what is happening on the island.
"In many ways, I think this is the story of these characters becoming the people they really want to be. But the island also frees them from a lot of constraints they might face back at home, so some may start going down some pretty dark paths. It's going to be interesting."
Just as viewers will be learning new facets of these characters on a weekly basis, so the actors themselves are not being made privy to any advance revelations unless their characters already would know about them within the context of the story. And the cast also has been instructed not to let any of their co-stars know of personal secrets their character is keeping under wraps.
Thus Monaghan, for example, knew Charlie's secret from square one, although his castmates did not -- and while viewers are let in on the secret early on as well, its nature is such that the young actor admits he has no idea whether Charlie ultimately will turn out to be a good guy or a bad guy.
"Charlie has been in a couple of places in his life that have sent him over the edge, whether because people have badly mistreated him or perhaps his family hasn't given him the respect or support he really needed," Monaghan reveals cautiously.
"I've always enjoyed playing people who appear to be one thing but are actually something else. The Charlie that he puts out there and shows the other characters isn't really the Charlie that he is comfortable with. He is still playing to [the others] as an audience. As an actor, I have to play him right now in a way that I hope will keep the options open for him to go in any direction we need to take.
"That means I can't hit any clear 'good guy' beats or 'bad guy' beats, because soon Charlie is going to need to confide in someone to help him through the bad times and if he makes the wrong choice, that person could use his secret against him, so Charlie is actually a little more cynical and suspicious than he might want to be ordinarily."
Lindelof cautions that viewers simply have to buy into the central conceit of this mysterious island without expecting that an upcoming episode will deliver some sort of concise explanation. "Lost" isn't about why this island is such a strange place, but how its unwilling new inhabitants cope with that strangeness.
And, as "Alias" fans know, Abrams isn't above an occasional shocker of an episode in which the perceived reality undergoes a shattering shake- up. That extends to the whole notion of which players in this huge cast are permanent regulars and which are faceless extras, Lindelof says.
"There are 48 survivors, and the non-regulars are definitely not there just to be eaten," he says firmly. "J.J. and I have already talked about this idea we really love where you get 10 or 11 episodes into the show and one of our regulars goes off into the jungle with one of the more anonymous castaways none of us has really seen before, but against your expectations, the series regular gets killed and the other castaway becomes sort of the new series regular.
"You don't just do that arbitrarily, but you do it to remind the audience that anyone could go at any time."
The ill-tempered, huge but largely unseen beastie plays an unnerving role in the first hour of this promising new series from J.J. Abrams ("Alias") and Damon Lindelof ("Crossing Jordan"), but the show's stories remain tightly focused on the diverse human beings who find themselves thrown together by an air disaster.
Of those 48 survivors, a dozen or so begin to establish themselves as principal characters, among them Jack (Matthew Fox, "Party of Five"); Kate (Evangeline Lilly, "Kingdom Hospital"), an enigmatic beauty; Charley (Dominic Monaghan, "Lord of the Rings"), a young rocker with a painful secret; and Sawyer (Josh Holloway), a wary and possibly violent alpha-male type.
And, in short order, they discover something big and hungry is lurking in the jungle that lines their crash site on the beach.
While emphasizing -- again -- that the monster will figure more as a source of menace that an actively recurring "character" on the show, Abrams says he and Lindelof felt they had to indicate it was on the island from the very first episode.
"If we introduced it in episode nine or 10, you'd feel like, 'What? There's this freaking monster?' It wouldn't make any sense," Abrams explains. "In upcoming scripts, the monster is referenced, but it is in no way in the spotlight of the show."
"I think the monster itself actually represents what we're all scared of," suggests Monaghan, making his U.S. TV series debut here. "For me, 'Lost' is a character study of 13 or 14 people who find themselves thrown together in a situation where, through no fault of their own, they are called upon to face their personal demons."
"If you call it a monster," Abrams says, "it comes kind of disposable and silly and it feels kind of irrelevant or gimmicky. But if you have something that represents terror and represents fear and the darkness of this place, that to me is incredibly valuable."
And "this place," the remote island throbbing with both peril and possibilities, quickly becomes a supporting character in its own right, Fox says.
"'Lost' is about the people, the characters and their relationships," he says. "The title has dual meanings. These people are obviously lost in a physical sense, but they're also personally lost and spiritually lost as individuals -- what they brought, who they were before this crash.
"Each episode will use flashbacks to go back into a character's past and you will learn their history, some of the baggage they may be hoping to leave behind, all within the context of what is happening on the island.
"In many ways, I think this is the story of these characters becoming the people they really want to be. But the island also frees them from a lot of constraints they might face back at home, so some may start going down some pretty dark paths. It's going to be interesting."
Just as viewers will be learning new facets of these characters on a weekly basis, so the actors themselves are not being made privy to any advance revelations unless their characters already would know about them within the context of the story. And the cast also has been instructed not to let any of their co-stars know of personal secrets their character is keeping under wraps.
Thus Monaghan, for example, knew Charlie's secret from square one, although his castmates did not -- and while viewers are let in on the secret early on as well, its nature is such that the young actor admits he has no idea whether Charlie ultimately will turn out to be a good guy or a bad guy.
"Charlie has been in a couple of places in his life that have sent him over the edge, whether because people have badly mistreated him or perhaps his family hasn't given him the respect or support he really needed," Monaghan reveals cautiously.
"I've always enjoyed playing people who appear to be one thing but are actually something else. The Charlie that he puts out there and shows the other characters isn't really the Charlie that he is comfortable with. He is still playing to [the others] as an audience. As an actor, I have to play him right now in a way that I hope will keep the options open for him to go in any direction we need to take.
"That means I can't hit any clear 'good guy' beats or 'bad guy' beats, because soon Charlie is going to need to confide in someone to help him through the bad times and if he makes the wrong choice, that person could use his secret against him, so Charlie is actually a little more cynical and suspicious than he might want to be ordinarily."
Lindelof cautions that viewers simply have to buy into the central conceit of this mysterious island without expecting that an upcoming episode will deliver some sort of concise explanation. "Lost" isn't about why this island is such a strange place, but how its unwilling new inhabitants cope with that strangeness.
And, as "Alias" fans know, Abrams isn't above an occasional shocker of an episode in which the perceived reality undergoes a shattering shake- up. That extends to the whole notion of which players in this huge cast are permanent regulars and which are faceless extras, Lindelof says.
"There are 48 survivors, and the non-regulars are definitely not there just to be eaten," he says firmly. "J.J. and I have already talked about this idea we really love where you get 10 or 11 episodes into the show and one of our regulars goes off into the jungle with one of the more anonymous castaways none of us has really seen before, but against your expectations, the series regular gets killed and the other castaway becomes sort of the new series regular.
"You don't just do that arbitrarily, but you do it to remind the audience that anyone could go at any time."
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,274|90489|1|,00.html
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Hey, thanks oodles for that article nerd4hire. I like the ones that are informative without giving too much away.
I certainly hope that it's not a dinosaur. And while I don't want it to be the focus of the show, I do want to see it eventually. I know that it's in some ways the metaphor for what's going on internally with all these people, but I still think that it would get kind of old sitting aroung and constanly being reminded of this "thing", but never seeing it. It's a fine line between being effective and overkill for me, I hope that they can find it. I think that you're right about it being something unexpected.
I liked the guy with the creepy orange grin. He seemed all serene and at peace with the island. Maybe it's supposed to foreshadow something? At first he just seemed friendly, but then Kate's reaction to him told me otherwise.
Question about the first episode;
nerd4hire said:
I certainly hope that it's not a dinosaur. And while I don't want it to be the focus of the show, I do want to see it eventually. I know that it's in some ways the metaphor for what's going on internally with all these people, but I still think that it would get kind of old sitting aroung and constanly being reminded of this "thing", but never seeing it. It's a fine line between being effective and overkill for me, I hope that they can find it. I think that you're right about it being something unexpected.
nerd4hire said:
I liked the guy with the creepy orange grin. He seemed all serene and at peace with the island. Maybe it's supposed to foreshadow something? At first he just seemed friendly, but then Kate's reaction to him told me otherwise.
Question about the first episode;
What's up with that rain? Is that just supposed to be "Tropical" rain or is it something else? Was what Mr. Hobbit said about day turning into night something that's going to become relevant?
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Just waiting for tonight's episode, I came across an article with some David Fury stuff.
http://www.cityofangel.com/behindTheScenes/news.php#recent
http://www.cityofangel.com/behindTheScenes/news.php#recent
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BTW, would any of you LOST viewers mind pming me to tell me what happened in this past episode. I missed it-my VCR broke and now I'm very angry 😀 It would be much appreciated, thank you!
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I just got another idea Jacklyn. I edited the title to say Possible Spoilers, so I think it's OK to talk Lost here. I mean, I only started watching Lost, because of David Fury's involvement so it's Whedonverse to me.
Last night's episode, Hmm let's see.
There was more Fat Guy stuff, so I was happy about that. He doesn't like Sushi, and he faints at the sight of blood. That was hilarious. He was helping Jack operate on this guy, and he passed out on the patient when he saw the blood.
Remember the Golden Retriever? It belongs to that little black kid. His mom died. It's his dad who's with him. They don't know each other very well yet. The kid had some scenes. He was looking for his dog in the woods and he found handcuffs laying on the ground, so there's a prisoner on the loose, and guess who the prisoner is? I'll tell you later.
Kid also had a talk with mysterious old orange mouth guy. Orange mouth definitely knows more than he's telling. He seems kind of mystic, or something.
And guess what...They shot a polar bear. Confused yet? 🙂
Here's what happened.
Jack and Kate (is that her name. I'll call her Kate until I remember for sure) got back to the group on the beach from the plane cockpit in the woods.
Two new characters were fighting on the beach. One guy is named Said. It turns out Said was with the Iraqi republic guard during the US/Iragi war. The other guy I'll call mean guy. We don't like him, but Said is kind of likeable.
Kate breaks up the fight, and shows everyone a two-way radio she found in the plane. It turns out Said knows about such stuff. He tells them they have to find high ground to make it work, so a group of them go off into the jungle to start climbing.
Of course we hear the monster music soon afterward, and something is coming out of the jungle after them. Everyone runs, except mean guy. Somehow he's acquired a pistol. He pulls it out and starts shooting.
Whatever was running out of the grass falls down dead. The rest of the group comes out of the jungle to see what it is. The conversation goes something like:
"What is it?"
"Looks like a bear."
"That isn't just a bear."
"Oh my God, it's a polar bear."
Commercial.
After the break they get into it. What's a polar bear doing in the South Pacific? Where did mean guy get the gun?
No info on the bear, but it turns out mean guy found the gun in a holster on someone's leg after the crash. He also found a badge. Yes there is a prisoner in their midst.
Said starts to pick up something on the radio. It's a 16 year old message from some French woman asking for help.
After that comes the big reveals.
Kate it turns out was the prisoner on the plane.
The guy Jack is working on at the beach is the sherrif who was taking her to trial.
Last night's episode, Hmm let's see.
There was more Fat Guy stuff, so I was happy about that. He doesn't like Sushi, and he faints at the sight of blood. That was hilarious. He was helping Jack operate on this guy, and he passed out on the patient when he saw the blood.
Remember the Golden Retriever? It belongs to that little black kid. His mom died. It's his dad who's with him. They don't know each other very well yet. The kid had some scenes. He was looking for his dog in the woods and he found handcuffs laying on the ground, so there's a prisoner on the loose, and guess who the prisoner is? I'll tell you later.
Kid also had a talk with mysterious old orange mouth guy. Orange mouth definitely knows more than he's telling. He seems kind of mystic, or something.
And guess what...They shot a polar bear. Confused yet? 🙂
Here's what happened.
Jack and Kate (is that her name. I'll call her Kate until I remember for sure) got back to the group on the beach from the plane cockpit in the woods.
Two new characters were fighting on the beach. One guy is named Said. It turns out Said was with the Iraqi republic guard during the US/Iragi war. The other guy I'll call mean guy. We don't like him, but Said is kind of likeable.
Kate breaks up the fight, and shows everyone a two-way radio she found in the plane. It turns out Said knows about such stuff. He tells them they have to find high ground to make it work, so a group of them go off into the jungle to start climbing.
Of course we hear the monster music soon afterward, and something is coming out of the jungle after them. Everyone runs, except mean guy. Somehow he's acquired a pistol. He pulls it out and starts shooting.
Whatever was running out of the grass falls down dead. The rest of the group comes out of the jungle to see what it is. The conversation goes something like:
"What is it?"
"Looks like a bear."
"That isn't just a bear."
"Oh my God, it's a polar bear."
Commercial.
After the break they get into it. What's a polar bear doing in the South Pacific? Where did mean guy get the gun?
No info on the bear, but it turns out mean guy found the gun in a holster on someone's leg after the crash. He also found a badge. Yes there is a prisoner in their midst.
Said starts to pick up something on the radio. It's a 16 year old message from some French woman asking for help.
After that comes the big reveals.
Kate it turns out was the prisoner on the plane.
The guy Jack is working on at the beach is the sherrif who was taking her to trial.
I'm looking forward to seeing this in the UK. The figures suggest that it won't get cancelled after a couple of eps (fingers crossed😉) We had the chance to see the pilot while we were in the US but forgot about it - we were on holiday, telly came a distant second 🙂
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Thank you SO much for the summary n4h! I'm so sad I missed this weeks episode! But, with, a new VCR comes new possibilities! 🙂 I'm back to catching my show again! Thank you SO much, again. The episode sounds really interesting. Where the hell are they?! ???
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We think we know now where the Polar bear came from, and possibly that gives us a fix on what the monster in the woods might be.
Most importantly though; and I should have really opened a new thread for this with large font, flashing red letters "Hurley is going into the woods
We Lost fans know what that means - Hurley flashbacks. What could his story possibly be? Remember when he was telling the boy he was kind of a warrior back home? I'm thinking video game nerd, or computer hacker.
Oh, but the Whedonverse connection. David Fury wrote the episode. Good call. No-one could do this particular story better than Fury. They're filmiing it right now.
Also, they're doing another Sawyer-centric episode. Drew Goddard is writing it. The fuselage.com gave me the impression both of these particular episodes have scripts that excel.
Most importantly though; and I should have really opened a new thread for this with large font, flashing red letters "Hurley is going into the woods
We Lost fans know what that means - Hurley flashbacks. What could his story possibly be? Remember when he was telling the boy he was kind of a warrior back home? I'm thinking video game nerd, or computer hacker.
Oh, but the Whedonverse connection. David Fury wrote the episode. Good call. No-one could do this particular story better than Fury. They're filmiing it right now.
Also, they're doing another Sawyer-centric episode. Drew Goddard is writing it. The fuselage.com gave me the impression both of these particular episodes have scripts that excel.
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Jacklyn
I give you props for having written something in this thread that tipped me off to the origin of the polar bear. Good call!