Apple or Windows?

VisionGuy

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I'm thinking of buying a laptop when my tax refund comes back and was wondering which one is better. An apple MacBook or another one that has Windows on it. I have a PC with Windows XP but I wanted to get a MacBook. Is it difficult to use one and is it possible to transfer files from my PC to a MacBook? Okay computer nerds. Share your knowledge.
 
I don't know enough to answer your question, but other than the excellent iPods, I ****HATE**** Apple! Ugh! A friend has an Apple laptop and it's the most obnoxious thing ever. Apple's operating system just flat out sucks. It doesn't even have drag and drop. That right there should tell you it's just not worth it. 🙂

I love Windows XP though.
 
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks. :)
I windows XP but I like apples, the only reason I haven't changed is cuz I know my way round windows. But apples are much nicer, slicker, cleaner and less risk of Virus's.
 
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks for the info. :)
Mac's have always intrigued me.

But, I can say...and I can't say it loud enough...
DO NOT GET VISTA!

I had to get a new computer in July. My old one died a painful death. Although, it's still here sitting next to me because I may just Frankenstien the poor thing.
I got this adorable little computer and it really is good. I WANTED one with XP, but I couldn't find one. STUPIDLY I thought Vista couldn't be THAT bad. Boy was I WRONG!

My 80 year old scanner...it works fine. My brand NEW camera (same brand as the computer) doesn't. I had to back-door it in and it will transfer the pictures now, but the software that came with it won't work.
And the MOST fun?
About once a month, it will just decide I don't have any disk drives. And then I have to roll it back a week or so until it can find them because there is NO other way.
About THREE times a month, it will decide that I also don't have EITHER of my two printers...and I have to go and reinstall them.

As an added bonus, I also get to reinstall AOL, Photoshop, and my auction software about once a month too.

Downloading ANYTHING is a pain because it doesn't have that handy "Time remaining" on downloads like Windows has always has. It just says how many KB have been downloaded. Not how many are left, not how much time left...just downloading.

Oh, and all my DVD making software (brand new) doesn't work with it. Neither did Nero, in fact, I would have to pay the whole full price AGAIN to upgrade it. Actually, ALL my newer software didn't work. However, the cheap-o Golf came we had with Windows 95...that works fine.

Basically, I would say, if the choice in Vista or Mac...go with Mac. At least they seem to be attempting to FIX some of the things that don't work. Vista is just miserable.
 
Mr. Pointy
Mr. Pointy
Five house points for the Vista warning :)
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks for your help. :)
My only Apple computer is a Mac Mini, the cheap desktop they do. Bought it when they were using Mac OS 10.4 "Tiger", but have since upgraded to 10.5 "Leopard".

I love Leopard - it's a really good operating system. They finally added some things you'd expect to be there, like little thumbnail images for your photos and videos in Finder (the tool for browsing folders/files, etc.) So it looks nicer that way, and they've put in some transparency and reflections, made toolbar colors and stuff more consistent.

Everything loads really fast and is well organised. You put your favorite applications in the Dock at the bottom of the screen, so they are always one click away. There is one app for settings that covers everything from screensavers to internet, so it's not like Windows with tons of different control panels.

They added a cool thing called Quick Look that lets you instantly open documents, photos, videos without loading an application like QuickTime, and you can even watch video full screen that way, only with basic controls like play and pause. There's a Quick Look button, or you can just tap the space bar when highlighting the file you want to open.

The one crazy thing is not having a full screen or maximize button on apps. There's a button that jumps between preset window sizes instead, so you have to drag on the corner of a window to make it fill the screen if you want it that way. I have a tiny monitor and usually only use one app at a time, so I do like to use all of my screen area. The Dock can be set to auto-hide so it's not always in the way.

The search works but I don't see how you could lose anything unless you have a huge number of files, and all burried in folders. I mean, everything is so well organized, there aren't many places a file could be hiding. A new feature that I don't use lets you set auto-updating search folders. That's not actually the name for it, but I think you could place a folder that contains all files with the word "Joan", and if any new files containing "Joan" get added to your system through email attachments or CDs or whatever, they'll get added to the Joan folder automatically.

Dashboard is a pretty cool app. It contains a bunch of smaller apps or 'widgets' like calculator, weather, calendar. A new thing they added to it is Web Clip, which lets you draw a box around a section of your favorite website and turn that into a widget, so you could grab the top-5 latest Buffy news and put a frame around it and that will stay in Dashboard. You can tap one button to float Dashboard in when you want to check your Buffy news instead of going to the website in a browser. Not very time-savey, because it doesn't take long to go to websites, but it's there. Windows Vista has a similar thing to Dashboard in its Gadgets sidebar.

Oh, a couple of other things to get used to. There's a toolbar at the top of the screen in Mac OS X that stays there. It shows things relevant to the active window, so if you select a Firefox window you'll see Firefox options at the top. This is instead of a toolbar being glued to the top of each window. Also closing a window doesn't mean that application is closed. For example, you could get rid of an iTunes window but still hear music playing. To close iTunes you have to go its icon in the dock and tell it to close.

Don't worry about transferring files over. Compatibility with Windows PCs is very good. And if you transfer something and find you cannot open it because there is no equivalent Mac app, you could always install Windows on the Mac and have both operating systems. Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP SP2 or Windows Vista, and then you hold a key when your Mac boots up to pick between Mac OS X and Windows. Apple made their own update tool that delivers drivers and new versions of their apps like iTunes when you are running in Windows.
 
Mr. Pointy
Mr. Pointy
Five house points for being informative :)
If money isn't a problem I'd go for the Mac over the PC any day of the week. We have a Mac Powerbook laptop and it is awesome compared to the PCs we use.

Someone up there said you can't drag and drop in OS X...I was doing that very thing last evening. OS X is a steep learning curve when you're used to Windows...I'm still learning after a year (I have real trouble with how drives and disks are structured for some reason 🙂) but it is very inuitive for most everyday tasks.
The i-life (i-photo, i-tunes, i-movie, i-dvd etc.) software that comes as standard with Macs is superb.
Macs are not much good to serious gamers, I'm told, but as I'm not a serious gamer...feh!
Plus, Macs almost always look much better than their PC equivalents.

Having said that, if money is tighter the PC laptops are always much cheaper but I hear Vista is fairly buggy at the moment so I'd give it the traditional Microsoft six-months-to-a-year-after-release-to-get-the-fixes-right until I considered buying a PC again 🙂
 
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks for your help. :)
I have serious issues with Mac myself. I'm not a big fan of windows either, but I'd go PC (and yes, VISTA LESS!) any day, all the way. I have Windows XP but I run it (graphically and to a certain extent system-wise) like 95 cause that's seriously the best operating system Microsoft has yet to deliver. But XP has some advantages over 95, like that you don't need drivers to run anything by USB and easier internet configuration. But as D4 said, just avoid Vista.

But then again, I always say that it depends on what you wanna do with your comp. Whenever I sit infront of a Mac I feel like I have NO control over what's happening. Mac's OS are always very "user friendly" and there's alot of drag-n-dropping and that just makes me unfomfortable. Also, you don't have as much control over the hardware, device drivers and applications as you have with a PC. Also, as for user friendlyness, it's weird how Mac promotes itself like being really user friendly while many applications available for OS X don't come with a graphical user interface.

If you want a comp that "just runs" without having to put any efforts into its performance then I guess Mac is your best friend. Though I would still recomend any technically challanged person to get a PC cause at least then they would learn how a computer works.
 
Mr. Pointy
Mr. Pointy
Five house points for making a good point
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks for your help. :)
I have an Apple - I was reluctant to even use it at first, but I've now warmed up to it a whole lot! No viruses! There is a way you can actually have both Windows and Apple on the same computer, but you'd have to look that up I wouldn't be able to tell you off-hand lol. Apple is great! Just look up the 'Mac vs. PC videos on youtube, and it they will tell you the obvious differences, they also make fun of PC... Though I still love Windows Mac is great. 🙂
 
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But have you seen the vids that make fun of Mac? They're funnier ;)
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks for your help. :)
Seems to me that Apple Macs and OS X are like Marmite...you either love them or hate them...there's very little middle ground...I love 'em but I also have some time for Windows because, as doppelganger said above, using it means you get a better feel for how the machine actually works.

*Pointy realises that the above analogy means little or nothing to most non-Brits so posts ever-so-helpful links*

Marmite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Love it or hate it? : Marmite
 
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LOL! Thanks! I was lost
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doppelgänger2
Sounds yummy! :p
i had the same issue as you a while ago. I ended up buying the mac laptop, and having a PC desktop, and its a perfect combo. I say go for the mac. It may be a little bit more expensive, but its so worth it. Its easy to transfer stuff, and ive had this mac laptop for about a year now, and ive never had one virius or had to reformat it. and i learn the OS pretty easy too.
 
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks for your help. :)
I had to buy a new laptop recently (which will, God willing, be here by Thursday), and my refusal to get Vista left me with very few choices. You'd think if someone's customizing a PC they would let you choose the OS. But after all of these horror stories, I'm glad I spent the extra time looking for one with XP!
 
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks for your help. :)
Yeah, there's a lot of drag-and-drop on Mac. I can drag Clem's signature image right off the page and drop on my desktop or into an application that supports images. Straight transfer.

I haven't used Linux. Prefer Mac over Windows, but if you need to do a specific task there's more choice of programs in Windows because it's more popular. For general fun like browsing the web and watching movies, I think Mac is easier once you're over the learning curve.

I forgot to say in my previous post, Macs also now come with little remote controls. When you use the remote it switches to an interface with big icons so you can see it from across the room and lets you play your music, podcasts, photos, videos/DVDs.

FrontRow-screen.jpg

Personally I prefer to use my computer like a computer instead of this slower simplified way to browse media.
 
Are files the same on a Mac as they are on a PC? Like are pictures still JPG, GIF, BMP, and Videos Avi, and so on. Because I would want to transfer some of the stuff from my PC to my Mac if I choose to get one. I'd like to do it in a way where I connect both computers as a network but I don't have the router in my room. It's in the family room. How would I go connecting just my PC and my Mac together?

And also thanks a lot for the responses. I haven't decided which one to get yet but you guys are helping a lot. 🙂
 
Are files the same on a Mac as they are on a PC? Like are pictures still JPG, GIF, BMP, and Videos Avi. Because I would want to transfer some of the stuff from my PC to my Mac if I choose to get one. I'd like to do it in a way where I connect both computers as a network but I don't have the router in my room. It's in the family room. How would I go connecting just my PC and my Mac together?

And also thanks a lot for the responses. I haven't decided which one to get yet but you guys are helping a lot. 🙂
Yeah, all common image types are supported. Not sure what video formats are supported out of the box but you can download plug-ins for QuickTime that cover just about everything, and there's a Mac version of DivX Player if you prefer. I'm not a network wizard but I assume you just plug your computers together with a standard ethernet/LAN cable and see what happens. Use the network wizard on one of them and see how the other responds. Wireless works too.

edit: Flip4Mac is a good program for playing Windows Media files seamlessly in Apple QuickTime.
 
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
Thanks a lot. :)
Mr. Pointy
Mr. Pointy
Five house points for reminding me why I downloaded Flip4Mac :)
Are files the same on a Mac as they are on a PC? Like are pictures still JPG, GIF, BMP, and Videos Avi, and so on. Because I would want to transfer some of the stuff from my PC to my Mac if I choose to get one.

As Watcher1986 said, all common image types are supported. I usually don't have any issues transfering any type of files from Mac to PC (unless it's a text document, cause those are HELL to transfer) but Mac doesn't seem to be as "universal" with its file types.

Since I've been doing a lot of video editing in my days, I've worked both with Mac and PC. Just recently I had issues with AVI files that I transfered from my PC to one of the schools Macs via USB. The comp, and more specifically Final Cut, did not want to read the file like it should. I had just sound and no image. So I had to convert all AVI files to QuickTime format. Sucks. So you might run into trouble transfering videos.

If you have issues with vids on Mac, you could always just install VLC player, that works with most stuff. VLC IS GOD!

EDIT: As for the network, I don't think there should be any issues connecting a PC to a Mac. But then again, I know nothing about networks...
 
Mr. Pointy
Mr. Pointy
Five house points for recommending VLC...it's great!
I forgot to say in my previous post, Macs also now come with little remote controls. When you use the remote it switches to an interface with big icons so you can see it from across the room and lets you play your music, podcasts, photos, videos/DVDs.

FrontRow-screen.jpg

Personally I prefer to use my computer like a computer instead of this slower simplified way to browse media.

My non-mac laptop has a little remote control that comes out of it exactly like that as well.

"Non-mac" shows how good with computers I am, but I'll try to help at least a little.. My brother works in the technology department of a shop round here and a piece of advice he always gives to people asking about apple/windows is that if you're used to Windows and have always had a windows pc then you're best sticking with that as it's basically like starting from scratch with a pc again.. My cousin has an apple macbook too and she's had loads of trouble connecting to the wireless internet (I don't know if thats to do with her internet or the macbook itself). As a long time Windows user myself I don't know how I'd cope with Apple now, so apart from their iPod's, I'll stick with Windows!

As for Vista on Windows, I had to get a new laptop sometime last year and it came with Vista and I've heard so many negative things about Vista, and really everyone I've heard who's said something about it has bad things to say! But maybe its just me and my complete unawareness of computer problems but its been fine for me! In fact I find it easier than XP..

Good luck anyway
 
Mac has TextEdit, their equivalent of Notepad. That will read .txt files.

Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac was released like a week ago. It has Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Entourage and Messenger.
 
Are files the same on a Mac as they are on a PC? Like are pictures still JPG, GIF, BMP, and Videos Avi, and so on.

Yup...file extensions are the same whichever OS you choose...and the good news is that there is a version of VLC (media player of the gods) for OS X or Windows...so no worries about those pesky downloaded .avi files working on a Mac 🙂
 
Here's more XP-Vista fun. I just got a new computer (with Vista, despite all of my avoidance of it) and the full version of XP. I was told all I needed to do to go back to XP was boot from the XP disk. Yeah. I did that, and the computer quit connecting to the internet--it appears the driver got deleted. So I got on my hubby's computer, downloaded the drivers to my flash drive, plugged the flash drive into my computer--and it didn't read it. Sigh. So now I've reinstalled Vista but I'm gonna keep trying to go back to XP. I'm already annoyed with the constant security alerts.
 
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