Astronauts VS cavemen??
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white avenger
white avenger
Okay, then you need at least 1 fighter to be astronaut and 1 for cave man. and a referee. How many boys and girls wanna play?
Kimz
Into every generation...
cavemen had to live rough and ready though....they are stronger as a whole for surviving without the luxuries we feel we need to survive with today! lol
Lou
Scooby
Gee...how much superior intellect does it take to get konked in the head over and over? Besides, a couple of well placed blows from the caveman and the astronaut brain is Jell-o. And, really if Tom Hanks, Kevin Bacon and Gary Sinise is any sort of way to tell...astronauts, while not horrible on the eyes, aren't exactly the EXTRA BUFF sort of guys.
Astronauts still win. They have to go through so much training, stress testing, intelligence testing, they have to be nearly perfect before they even come close to being an 'astronaut'. Caveman.. can they even speak ::huh1:: :drunk:
Lou
Scooby
How does speaking weigh in with brute force?
Need I bring up my drunken cousin again? I don't see any astronauts approaching HIM for a brawl.
Kimz
Into every generation...
A quick swift blow to the head from a rock or any sort of thing a caveman happens to pick up and hit the astronaut with would take him down in an instant....there wouldnt be time for brains and intellect to even enter the fight....
the cavemans primal instinct would surely tell him....just whack him one, ''astronaut bad'' lol....
brains and intellect dont come into it, even speech...none of that matters in a straight forward fight.
the cavemans primal instinct would surely tell him....just whack him one, ''astronaut bad'' lol....
brains and intellect dont come into it, even speech...none of that matters in a straight forward fight.
Or since the astronaut isn't stupid, and I am saying the caveman is. The astronaut moves, the caveman misses, he trips the caveman, the caveman falls off a cliff, the astronaut hides, the astronaut picks up a sharp stick and stabs the caveman who walks into it, the caveman had brute force.. big whoop, he is still stupid and in the end the person who has the intellect to run, or to bide their time, or to dodge attacks, imo, would win. The caveman would make blind attempts to run directly at the astronaut, who is to say the astronaut isn't stronger than the caveman? Who's to say the caveman doesn't trip on a rock on his way over and cracks his head on a rock ..:drunk: The astronaut in question would win! Seeing there surroundings and adapting is what they are trained to do. Caveman... again are stupid and all they have is brute force
Lou
Scooby
Well, there's ME! I've never seen a Astronaut have to take down a buffalo, bear or wooly mammoth with tools they crafted from the sticks and rocks around them! Which not only speaks to strength but quite a bit of intellect and stradegy in the heat of battle. That takes a heck of a lot more "smarts" than tripping on a rock and cracking your own skull open.
That's why evolution works...because they were smart enough to adapt and live with the few materials they had. Not just wait for NASA to train them on the newest do-dads that someone else invented.
And who cares if the astronuats have been trained to not gak in 0 gravity? That's hardly part of a decent "death match" resume!
Kimz
Into every generation...
ahhh yes...good point...
but whose to say also that the astronaut couldnt accidently trip and fall.
if the astronaut attempted to attack the caveman, the cavemans ways of life, living rough, being animal like, having to hunt etc....his primal instincts would tell him to defend himself and fight this thing.
as for the whole intelligence thing....cavemen invented many a thing, they have some level of intelligence, theyre not stupid.
and who is to say cavemen are useless and clumsy and would fall off a cliff or trip over a rock, that could easily happen to the astronaut also.
but whose to say also that the astronaut couldnt accidently trip and fall.
if the astronaut attempted to attack the caveman, the cavemans ways of life, living rough, being animal like, having to hunt etc....his primal instincts would tell him to defend himself and fight this thing.
as for the whole intelligence thing....cavemen invented many a thing, they have some level of intelligence, theyre not stupid.
and who is to say cavemen are useless and clumsy and would fall off a cliff or trip over a rock, that could easily happen to the astronaut also.
palabravampiress
Bidet of Evil
I'm going to say that astronauts would win. Why?
Well, all of this "primal instinct" stuff that the cavemen have, the astronauts have, too. We're a constantly evolving species, sure, but cavemen and astronauts are about as far apart on the evolutionary timeline as wolves and dogs. Dogs can revert to their primal instincts quite easily when they're threatened... or even if they just have crappy training. What makes us think humans are any different? The astronauts have all of the same evolutionary urges and tools as the cavemen, PLUS the modern training and communication skills and a virtual library of all the action movie moves they've seen working to their advantage. Astronauts win. After all, they're just cavemen with PhD degrees.
Well, all of this "primal instinct" stuff that the cavemen have, the astronauts have, too. We're a constantly evolving species, sure, but cavemen and astronauts are about as far apart on the evolutionary timeline as wolves and dogs. Dogs can revert to their primal instincts quite easily when they're threatened... or even if they just have crappy training. What makes us think humans are any different? The astronauts have all of the same evolutionary urges and tools as the cavemen, PLUS the modern training and communication skills and a virtual library of all the action movie moves they've seen working to their advantage. Astronauts win. After all, they're just cavemen with PhD degrees.
white avenger
white avenger
Keep in mind that the cave man is pretty much in familiar territory naked and unarmed, and he is used to fighting and killing that way. Also, don't sell him short on the intelligence factor either. He and his entire species managed to not only survive, but thrive in an environment filled with animals far stronger, faster, and more aggressive than ANY astronaut who ever stepped into a space shuttle. The astronauts will be totally outclassed and overwhelmed in a stand up man to man fight.
Modern man's advantage comes with his technology, and without it. he has nothing to compensate for being weaker, slower, and less aggressive. Give the astronauts time to prepare, to fabricate weapons superior to what is available to the cave men (bows and arrows against clubs and rocks, for instance), and to develop a working strategy, and they stand a better than even chance, but without it, ther're cave man fodder, nothing else.
Modern man's advantage comes with his technology, and without it. he has nothing to compensate for being weaker, slower, and less aggressive. Give the astronauts time to prepare, to fabricate weapons superior to what is available to the cave men (bows and arrows against clubs and rocks, for instance), and to develop a working strategy, and they stand a better than even chance, but without it, ther're cave man fodder, nothing else.
palabravampiress
Bidet of Evil
Give one of them a modern disease... like the common cold or something... and the astronauts will have their immune system working to their advantage.
Kimz
Into every generation...
ahh good point again...
but your point about evolving...taking the example of the wolf and dog....
you put a wolf and a dog side by side...i know which one would be more likely to kill me....
or win in a fight against each other....it would be the wild one...the wolf...every time. the dog would tap into what primal instincts it may have, but the wolf would win, because all its known is the wild, the hunt, the kill, surviving through tough measures...
like the cavemen.
but your point about evolving...taking the example of the wolf and dog....
you put a wolf and a dog side by side...i know which one would be more likely to kill me....
or win in a fight against each other....it would be the wild one...the wolf...every time. the dog would tap into what primal instincts it may have, but the wolf would win, because all its known is the wild, the hunt, the kill, surviving through tough measures...
like the cavemen.
white avenger
I'll put my pit bulldog up against any single wolf ever born.
Lou
Scooby
They have the urges, but not the training. I watch a LOT of Buffy, but sadly my "kicking people in the face" skills are still a bit lacking. I watch a lot of the Tour De France too, but I doubt that makes me skilled enough to actually do it.
I would guess that the guys actually practiced in throwing hand-made spears at mammoths and killing and skinning them are slightly more prepared for head to head combat than the astronauts who may be in good shape, but not exactly, "Hey, it's Tuesday, let's go get a Mammoth" type shape.
Now, if we're talking about how to reinstall Windows..I'd give it to the astronauts.
Edit:
Maybe, assuming the astronaut knows HOW to fabricate a weapon. Not every college graduate walks away with the knowledge of how to do that. Or even start a fire. Don't you people ever watch Survivor? ROCKET SCIENTISTS can't even make fire and shelter!
Kimz
Into every generation...
lol i agree totally,
you put a modern day astronaut, into the kind of life and environment a caveman lived in, strip away his clothes, technology and modern day tools...he wouldnt stand a chance, because all they know is how to survive with advanced every day modern materials...give them the only tools a caveman had and they wouldnt have a clue, wouldnt survive two seconds in that sort of wild environment.
strip all the technology away from the astronaut and whats left, but a weak clueless man, vulnerable man.
you put a modern day astronaut, into the kind of life and environment a caveman lived in, strip away his clothes, technology and modern day tools...he wouldnt stand a chance, because all they know is how to survive with advanced every day modern materials...give them the only tools a caveman had and they wouldnt have a clue, wouldnt survive two seconds in that sort of wild environment.
strip all the technology away from the astronaut and whats left, but a weak clueless man, vulnerable man.
white avenger
white avenger
I agree about the cave men, but the wolf/dog thing just doesn't work. Wolves are pack animals. One alone loses most of its aggression. Confine it in an area where its only defense, flight, is denied, and it's a simple matter of matching it against one of the so-called "dangerous" breeds, the pit bull, bull terrier, rotweiller, or the like, and it's wolf suffle for dinner.
Someone who is resourceful and smart against someone who is strong and stupid. David and Goliath much? David won?
Any time there is someone who is against someone who is 'caveman' like and someone who is 'astronaut' like, all the astronaut has to do is out think his dumb opponent, which if it really is Astronaut vr. caveman is pretty easy. For all you know the Astronaut will pull the fire trick scare the caveman to death and give it a heart attack. All that is needed to overcome the caveman's superior..'strength' is ingenuity.
Any time there is someone who is against someone who is 'caveman' like and someone who is 'astronaut' like, all the astronaut has to do is out think his dumb opponent, which if it really is Astronaut vr. caveman is pretty easy. For all you know the Astronaut will pull the fire trick scare the caveman to death and give it a heart attack. All that is needed to overcome the caveman's superior..'strength' is ingenuity.