Bad Girls and Consequences-thoughts!

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I just re-watched this episode today and it had me thinking. If it had been Buffy who had staked Allan Finch and killed him would this have prevented Faiths turn towards the mayor or do you think she would have gone to him in the end? After all the business with her watcher then the trouble Gwendolyn Post. Faith didn't exactly trust people anymore.

I think that it would have slowed Faith turning towards the Mayor i think it would have been streched out a bit more. Rather than it happening after two episode's, but i think eventually she would have gone to him. I my eyes she wasn't ever going to be part of the scoobies. They were just to good!

It would have been interesting to see Buffy dealing with killing a human but i guess we already had that storyline when she killed Angel so it would have been kinda repetitive.

I also re-watched Consequences and did you think Angel would have been able to get through to Faith if Wesley hadn't over heard Giles and Buffy talking?

I think he would have becuase he had experienced what Faith was going through. This could have lead Faith to go to L.A with him when he left at the end of season 3. Which would have been an interesting storyline!

Ramble over 😛.
 
Well thats a bloody good question and honestly I havent thought about this before.

Who knows what would've happened if indeed Buffy killed Allan Finch. I personally wonder how big the effect would've been on Buffy and how it would change her. I guess she would've turned into a darker Buffy, more like the one we've seen in Wishverse.
And Faith? Hm thats something different, maybe would've managed to get a grip on herself or not. Honestly I'm not really sure how and if I can answer that question, but I'm quite sure that she would've still turned to the mayor, so I think I agree with you.
 
I've never thought about it before, either.
It would have made for an interesting episode of a parallel universe type thing, if they hadn't done The Wish and Dooplegangland, instead.
I think if Buffy had staked Allan instead, she'd have done what she did in 'Dead Things' and gone to the police, feeling really guilty. And I think Faith would have been too busy gloating that she was the better slayer to go to the Mayor, I think she might have still ended up eventually going rogue, but I guess we'll never have a definite idea.
 
Buffy obsessed fan said:
I think if Buffy had staked Allan instead, she'd have done what she did in 'Dead Things' and gone to the police, feeling really guilty.
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I think Buffy did that because she's grown up. I'm sure Faith would go to the police too if she's 21. In Bad Girls, she was too young and scared and just freaked out.
 
we actually had that storyline in 6, when Buffy thought she killed Warren's ex, even though they only set her up to think so.

I think anything else would have turned Faith to the mayor eventually, but this was so big not just because she killed someone but because everyone of the scoobies immediately outcast her and she had nowhere she fit in. so she runs off to the mayor.
 
I think Buffy would have realized that he was human before staking him, and stopped. Kinda like when Willow yelled "Stop!" in Doppelgangland, and Buffy stopped just short of staking Vamp Willow.
 
sk8rj04 said:
I think Buffy would have realized that he was human before staking him, and stopped. Kinda like when Willow yelled "Stop!" in Doppelgangland, and Buffy stopped just short of staking Vamp Willow.
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The timing in that scene is so strange anyway. Every time I see it I wonder why Faith doesn't manage to stop in time. Heck, even Buffy noticing the guy is human seems slooooooow.

But the thought of reversed roles there is an interesting one. One of my main complaints about "Ted" has always been that it would have been an excellent chance at dealing with how Buffy feels about accidentally killing a human, and we got robbed of that by "oh, btw, guy's a robot". ::grrr::

Still, I have to agree that Faith would have ended up giving in to "the Dark Side of the Force" sooner or later. It would have slowed her descent, possibly by as much as half a season or so, but in the end it would have happened.
 
I honestly believe Buffy would have controlled herself and would not have killed him. Faith, being as reckless as she is (<3), shrugged it off. (well...) I don't think that that ONE thing could have prevented Faith from going to the dark side. There had to have been much more to it than that.
 
I cant believe that Buffy would ever acted like Faith, just look at her little mouse face when it happens
 
InsaneMystic said:
But the thought of reversed roles there is an interesting one. One of my main complaints about "Ted" has always been that it would have been an excellent chance at dealing with how Buffy feels about accidentally killing a human, and we got robbed of that by "oh, btw, guy's a robot". ::grrr::
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I totally agree. I thought Ted was handling the point brilliantly up until the robot reveal extinguished all of Buffy's guilt. Whether he was a robot or not, she killed a human in that moment. It's a real shame that we didn't get to see that through. It would have been a perfect chance for the writers to mirror her reaction against Faith's.
 
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Totally of topic, but it's about Bad Girls so I thought there would be no need for making a new thread: Here are some things I'd like to say about this episode.
1. Wesley and Giles and their interactions just crack me up. And Wesleys face when Giles kills the Elliminati guy that's holding him is just priceless.
2. Balthazar is gross and he reminds me too much of one really creepy alien from the second series of the new Doctor Who.

And to keep up with the discussion, it would have been interesting in a way if it were Buffy who killed Allan Finch. I doubt it would prevent Faith from going down the wrong path, but who knows. I don't think Buffy would have been able to stop herself. They were running, they were in a sort of rush and the guy almost came out of nowhere, and then everyone's natural reaction would be to defend, and when holding a pointy wooden stake, use it.
 
I think killing that guy might have made Buffy understand where Faith is comming from. Faith had a rough life and she didn't need an extra incident like that to happen. I think that if B killed that guy instead of Faith, it would have brought them closer instead of riping them apart. So maybe if they would have stayed close, Faith would not have gone with the mayor. Again the probabilities are high that she would have still went with him but her chances would have been better of staying good. And probably Buffy would have also thought of fallowing Faith in the wrong path but resisted the temptation at the last minute if she would have killed that guy. I mean she was a lot more unstable in s3 than in s6 when she ''killed'' or so she thought, Warren's girlfriend so obviously her reaction would have had been different

-Blaze-
 
My thoughts would be if Buffy had staked Finch instead of Faith, she would have gone to Giles, Giles would have gone through the "processes" of what I'm assuming is a Watcheresque cover-up that he or someone had mentioned, (pretty sure he said something along the lines if it's not the first time something like this would have happened). Giles, being the father figure that is he to her, would have helped her through it. Faith being on the outer, probably would feel like she'd never have that relationship with Giles or Wesley and go and tell the Mayor out of jealousy, to try and punish Buffy, but instead be welcomed with open arms as the Rogue Slayer.

Just a thought anyway.

And would Angel have been able to talk to her? Possibly. Angel's got a good knack of relating with Faith. We've seen that time and time again. Angel knows about the need for atonement, and it's something that Faith needed a mentor for.
 
If Buffy had been the one who killed Finch, she would have gone running to Giles, who would have hugged her and given her a speech about the "greater good" of her mission, and that would probably have been the last of it. Well, except for Buffy's lingering guilt, which would have lingered for an episode or two, but she would have gotten over it, because everyone would have been supportive and sympathetic. Giles' biggest problem with Faith's actions, I believe, was that she tried at first to blame Buffy for what happened. As long as there have been Slayers and Watchers, the issue of taking human life must have been resolved centuries ago, and more than likely the official policy was probably that, as long as it was either accidental, unavoidable, or necessary, there were no problems. The Watchers themselves certainly had no problems with the taking of human life, as the "wet team" who came after Faith perfectly illustrates. Those guys were entirely too professional about what they were doing for it to have been that unusual a job for them.

Getting back to Faith, I firmly believe that the reason that she "went bad" in the first place was the lack of support she, as an outsider, got from the rest of the team. Faith was reckless, not evil, but she was also a teenage girl who had never had the kind of support and ultimately love that Wilkins gave her.Other than Finch's accidental death, she did what she did more to please her new "father" than from any real desire to be evil.
 
I think Faith's "turning" (to the dark side) was more or less a given ever since she saw her watcher get killed by mr cloven feet vamp. The only person in her life that had looked out for her getting killed by something she was supposed to protect people from is kind of a big thing that would make someone a bit ****ed up. However, if things had gone well in Sunnydale (she had felt more Buffy's equal, hadn't killed mayor's sidekick or even didn't have a big bad that would have let her on the team - what if faith had arrived in season 1? She couldn't exactly go & help the Master now, could she?

At the end of the day it's that whole thing of nature v. nurture. Faith was dealt some bad blows in life and wasn't as lucky as buffy in the sense that she didn't have any friends or a watcher (after she was killed) to keep her grounded & stop her going off the rails.
 
I watched Bad Girls a couple of days ago, for one reason....

I'd just finished watching Angel season 4 a couple of days before, and I just wanted to watch it to remind myself of what Wesley was like before he was a boring old git
 
This is a tough call but I get the feeling that no matter what the outcome might have been Faith would have still gone to the dark side and teamed up with the Mayor. From day one you could see she was loving her power too much and began abusing it in all the wrong ways. When she carried on hitting that vampire in "Faith, Hope and Tricks" you could start to see there was more to her than just another eventual Scooby Gang member.

As for what would have happened if Buffy had killed Alan Finch, its hard to tell, I think she would have cracked eventually. Probably told Giles like how it happened but I think she would have been very guilty about it for a long time and I doubt Faith would even understood, she stuck her nose in when asking about Angel and didn't understand that Buffy wasn't going to suddenly open up.

What ever would have happened both Buffy and Faith would still be polar opposites of one another and dealt with either situation very differently.
 
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