Bangel vs Spuffy Season 8

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Is it just my imagination, or an intended plot device that the Season 8 Bangel relationship seems to be a parallel to Spuffy in general? I certainly can't imagine that it's just coincidence. Here's what I'm seeing:

1) They both (Spike and Twilight/Angel) start out as Buffy's enemies, and their first meeting involves the Big Bad taunting Buffy.

2) Buffy has just seen the end of a relationship (okay this one might be a stretch, but still...) in both cases that a lot of the fans see as out of character at best or just plain wrong at worst, with Riley and a combination of Satsu, who, like Riley longs to hear Buffy admit her love, but really knows that it will never happen; and Xander, who, like Riley, chooses something or someone (the Army and Dawn) over Buffy, because Buffy waited too long to let her feelings be known. (and ultimately, Riley winds up in a permanent relationship with Sam, Xander winds up with Dawn, and I'm betting that Satsu forms some sort of relationship, perhaps not romantic, but potentially very strong, that leaves the fans speculating (I'm toying with Faith here, but only if she and Spike don't hook up)

3) First sex with both men is as much, if not more, violent than romantic, Spuffy tearing a house down and Bangel/Bwilight tearing holes in dimensional barriers

4) Buffy wakes up, post initial sex, in a strange place with a definite feeling that something is wrong.

5) In both cases, Buffy has just acquired a mysterious new weapon, the Scythe and super powers, respectively.

6) Both relationships involve an ex-boyfriend showing up at the last moment with pertinent information and an instrument that will likely help in the coming battle, Angel with his folder and amulet, and Spike with his "I speak Fyaral" information, whatever that turns out to be, and a cool yellow space ship/hovercraft, complete with crew.

7) Current boyfriend/lover distrusts and is jealous of ex-boyfriend/lover, Spike with Angel and Angel with Spike.

(and these next are purely speculation, but would work in perfectly if they turn out to be true)

8) Both boyfriends/lovers wind up saving the day and becoming the unquestionable hero of the day by an act of supreme sacrifice, Spike closing the hellmouth, and Angel by closing the dimensional portal, resulting in:

9) The destruction of Sunnydale and the new universe, respectively, and:

10) The number of Slayers being greatly increased, from two to a literal army, and the number of supernatural baddies being greatly decreased to only vampires when all of the demons and magic power are expelled from earth.

And in addition to all of those things, there are these, which don't involve Spuffy or Bangel/Bwilight, but do seem like a bit more than common coincidence.

1) The death of Xander's current love interest, Anya or Renee.

2) The return of Willow's old lover, Oz in both cases.

3) The return of Dracula

So, whaddaya think? My overactive imagination, or some sort of pattern that Joss is laying down to spring on us, either within the next couple of issues, or in the coming 49th and (I sincerely hope NOT) final season?
 
Um... I don't see Bwilight of S8 as the good old Bangel of the previous seasons, so...
There are just a few patterns that would count to me. I hope I do not miss the issue with what I say now..lol

1) Like I stated, I don't see Twilight as Buffys new boyfriend. He's an enemy & will always be. As for Angel, he and Buffy weren't enemies when Bangel started. The funny thing is, that Spike never was Buffys Big Bad - Angel on the other hand was. Twice (if you wanna blame both, Angelus and Twilight).

2) Dunno if I got your point in No.2 (language issues on my behalf, I guess)

3) Twilight + Buffy = Evil Higher Power.. hence no real relationship & no comparison to Spuffy IMO

4) Subjectively, true

5) When the Scythe was found, she wasn't with Spike. She [just] told him, she loved him shortly after. She slept with Twilight after she gained the superpowers. I dunno, there's just little reference IMO.

6) True, Angel S7 compared to Spike S8.

7) True, and will always be 😀
 
white avenger
white avenger
Maybe I should have clarified by saying that Buffy's relationship with Angel in Season 8 parallels her former relationship with Spike throughout their association.
It does come off as if Spike and Angel have switched their former roles; Angel being her companion who is not fully under his own control. (Spike and the trigger) Spike being the former lover who she wants but can't have...yet.
 
Is it just my imagination, or an intended plot device that the Season 8 Bangel relationship seems to be a parallel to Spuffy in general? I certainly can't imagine that it's just coincidence. Here's what I'm seeing:

1) They both (Spike and Twilight/Angel) start out as Buffy's enemies, and their first meeting involves the Big Bad taunting Buffy.

2) Buffy has just seen the end of a relationship (okay this one might be a stretch, but still...) in both cases that a lot of the fans see as out of character at best or just plain wrong at worst, with Riley and a combination of Satsu, who, like Riley longs to hear Buffy admit her love, but really knows that it will never happen; and Xander, who, like Riley, chooses something or someone (the Army and Dawn) over Buffy, because Buffy waited too long to let her feelings be known. (and ultimately, Riley winds up in a permanent relationship with Sam, Xander winds up with Dawn, and I'm betting that Satsu forms some sort of relationship, perhaps not romantic, but potentially very strong, that leaves the fans speculating (I'm toying with Faith here, but only if she and Spike don't hook up)

3) First sex with both men is as much, if not more, violent than romantic, Spuffy tearing a house down and Bangel/Bwilight tearing holes in dimensional barriers

4) Buffy wakes up, post initial sex, in a strange place with a definite feeling that something is wrong.

5) In both cases, Buffy has just acquired a mysterious new weapon, the Scythe and super powers, respectively.

6) Both relationships involve an ex-boyfriend showing up at the last moment with pertinent information and an instrument that will likely help in the coming battle, Angel with his folder and amulet, and Spike with his "I speak Fyaral" information, whatever that turns out to be, and a cool yellow space ship/hovercraft, complete with crew.

7) Current boyfriend/lover distrusts and is jealous of ex-boyfriend/lover, Spike with Angel and Angel with Spike.

(and these next are purely speculation, but would work in perfectly if they turn out to be true)

8) Both boyfriends/lovers wind up saving the day and becoming the unquestionable hero of the day by an act of supreme sacrifice, Spike closing the hellmouth, and Angel by closing the dimensional portal, resulting in:

9) The destruction of Sunnydale and the new universe, respectively, and:

10) The number of Slayers being greatly increased, from two to a literal army, and the number of supernatural baddies being greatly decreased to only vampires when all of the demons and magic power are expelled from earth.

And in addition to all of those things, there are these, which don't involve Spuffy or Bangel/Bwilight, but do seem like a bit more than common coincidence.

1) The death of Xander's current love interest, Anya or Renee.

2) The return of Willow's old lover, Oz in both cases.

3) The return of Dracula

So, whaddaya think? My overactive imagination, or some sort of pattern that Joss is laying down to spring on us, either within the next couple of issues, or in the coming 49th and (I sincerely hope NOT) final season?

Another one I forgot:

11) Season 7, Spike starts out under the control of the Season Big Bad (The First Evil) and Season 8 has Angel under the control/influence of Twilight.
 
Yes, I think your imagination is a bit overactive. 😉

But seriously, if there's anything I've learned about the Buffyverse it's that everything is there for a reason. It could very well be intentional.
 
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