BB Firefly Rewatch Day Three: Shindig

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Inara attends a formal society dance, only to find Malcolm there as well, attempting to set up a smuggling job. Mal comes to blows with Inara's conceited date and finds himself facing a duel with a renowned swordsman, and only one night to learn how to fence.

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The description of the episode should be: Let's invent a flimsy excuse in order to have Mal defend Inara's "honor".

I don't like this episode at all. In the previous ones there's been a lot of talking and implications that Inara as a companion is a woman of some standing etc, but Mal treats her as a whore, this episode treats her as a whore, and giving her a little triumph in the end by telling Atherton that he's now blacklisted is... meh. Weak at best. Too little and too late.

Also Mal's "I disrespect your work, he disrespected you", is also just BS. He disrespects her all throughout the episode, just because he makes an excuse like the one above, it does not diminish the fact that he continuously, pettily, (under the guise of jealousy or whatever) is an ass to Inara. The only difference between him and Atherton is that he doesn't get physical with her. Instead he got physical with Atherton. But I still think they're peas of a pod.

A whore by any other name, is still a whore clearly, even in space.

Personal victory: I made it to the end of the episode before I remembered Dr.Giggles (thanks for the nightmares Larry Drake 😉). Win for me.

What I love about the episode: Kaylee. Lots of love. From her love of the dress, the buffett, the party, Captain Tightpants, her ending. She's flawless in this episode.

And hehe, as for River, I feel very much like Jayne here because I have zero patience or interest in her right now. I just roll my eyes and wait for her scenes to end.
 
Oh crude. I REMEMBER this episode.. without seeing it again and through the course of infinite years, I actually remember it. Hopefully @Buffy Summers can make the 9:00pm showing and I can watch it. But yes, I remember echoing a few things that you said. But "A whore by any other name, is still a whore clearly, even in space." when did they make her out to be anything but? Sure, she had the whoremobile that she could fly around in, but thats all she was supposed to be. The Old West was filled with them. She always presented herself more as a Madame, but.. call a spade a spade.
 
Mr. Pole said:
But "A whore by any other name, is still a whore clearly, even in space." when did they make her out to be anything but? Sure, she had the whoremobile that she could fly around in, but thats all she was supposed to be. The Old West was filled with them. She always presented herself more as a Madame, but.. call a spade a spade.
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Well she could check Mal and Zoe out of an arrest in "The Train Job" because of her high standing, in "Bushwacked" the Alliance were disturbed that someone like her would stoop so low as to travel with common thieves, and it's stressed that she picks her own clients, that she's gone to a special Academy and that in "Shinding" a powerful man like Atherton can escort her around on his arm with pride. To me they definitely stress that she is not something cheap, that she is more than that, and that people of her profession are exclusive and respected members of their society. At least that's what they're saying on paper, so to speak. Not in practice.
 
Taake said:
Well she could check Mal and Zoe out of an arrest in "The Train Job" because of her high standing, in "Bushwacked" the Alliance were disturbed that someone like her would stoop so low as to travel with common thieves, and it's stressed that she picks her own clients, that she's gone to a special Academy and that in "Shinding" a powerful man like Atherton can escort her around on his arm with pride. To me they definitely stress that she is not something cheap, that she is more than that, and that people of her profession are exclusive and respected members of their society. At least that's what they're saying on paper, so to speak. Not in practice.
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That's why I said she was presented more of a Madame.
 
Buffy Summers said:
I would say more like a courtesan.
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Yeah, that's how I interpreted what a companion was too. I'd say Nandi from Heart of Gold was more like a Madame, she ran a brothel, even though she was companion-trained just like Inara.
 
Maybe I was thinking of Heart of Gold then! Maybe I am justified, in a round about matter, of remembering what I thought I didnt.
 
52 minutes ago - Buffy Summers:
Going to start the Shindig rewatch in 3 minutes
Mr. Pole:
I'm here
Buffy Summers:
Okay, let's get started. Remember, fair warning, I will post the transcript in today's discussion thread.
Buffy Summers:
And...begin...
Mr. Pole:
I like this voiceover better
Buffy Summers:
Me too
Buffy Summers:
I like how every episode seems to have a bar brawl in it
Mr. Pole:
I was going to say similar.
Buffy Summers:
Gina is so beautiful
Mr. Pole:
What is your opinion of the ship? I know people liked it, but I think it's about butt ugly. And did you notice? Wash said shiny as well.. so it's not just a little Kaylee thing.
Buffy Summers:
Yeah I did notice
Mr. Pole:
Did he kinda resemble Vincent K?
Buffy Summers:
I think the ship has character. It's not supposed to be beautful - it's supposed to be cramped and dark
Buffy Summers:
No, not really lol
Mr. Pole:
Fine. I thought so!
GwenRaiden:
The ship IS a character
Mr. Pole:
Yeah, I know all that.. doesnt mean it's not designed well.
Mr. Pole:
LOL the clothes please
GwenRaiden:
Flying garbage truck?
Buffy Summers:
This is one of those times I hate one of my favorite characters lol
Buffy Summers:
Mal is so mean to Kaylee
Mr. Pole:
HA
Mr. Pole:
He's not mean!
Buffy Summers:
BADGER!
Mr. Pole:
I forgot all about him!
GwenRaiden:
I liked Badger, he was believable
Buffy Summers:
Yup
GwenRaiden:
I need to sleep! Tell me to go away!
Buffy Summers:
Pretensious?
Mr. Pole:
It's bad.. all I can see is Crowley
Buffy Summers:
(Go away Gwen)
Buffy Summers:
I think he had his teeth fixed since hten
Mr. Pole:
Might as well stay, its almost time to wake up.
Mr. Pole:
So, did that joke really miss the mark?
Buffy Summers:
I feel so bad for Kaylee in this episode that I cringe
Buffy Summers:
I don't think I realized this takes place back on Persephone
Mr. Pole:
Why do you feel bad for her?
Buffy Summers:
Because everyone looks down on her in this episode
Buffy Summers:
Also I hate Mal's outfit
Buffy Summers:
LMAO "It shows off your backside"
Mr. Pole:
That's why Mal took her, so she wouldnt have delusions of grandeur any more thinking she should wear the dress. It was to prove a point.
Buffy Summers:
"Yes, sir, Captain Tightpants"
Buffy Summers:
It so was not
Mr. Pole:
Yes it was!!
Buffy Summers:
That would just be cruel
Mr. Pole:
He didnt make the point with his joke, so he did it another way
Buffy Summers:
He was trying to make it up to her about earlier, and he needed an excuse to go after Inara
Mr. Pole:
He could have taken Zoe. She would have been a better fit. But under subterfuge of making it up to her, he took her to prove his point... you feel for it the same as she did.
Mr. Pole:
fell.. not feel
Mr. Pole:
sleepiness is weakness of character
Buffy Summers:
He only needed someone to come with him, he didn't need anyone to be all "warrior woman" undercover sidekick, so it cost him very little to give her what she wanted
Mr. Pole:
Exactly, he gave her what she wanted, and at the same time knew what the result would be.
Mr. Pole:
hahaha standards
Mr. Pole:
LOL schoolboys wink
Mr. Pole:
See... he knew what THAT would do too.. he knew asking a dance would piss him off. He's calculating and cunning.
Buffy Summers:
Sure he is, and he didn't miss Atherton's grip on Inara's arm
Mr. Pole:
I know.. that's what I mean.
Mr. Pole:
And see.. now little Kaylee is learning her place
Mr. Pole:
so it wasnt a bad thing he did to her
Buffy Summers:
I just think you are completely wrong lol
Mr. Pole:
Well, you dear are entitled to your opinion, even if its wrong! hahaha (and by wrong I mean contrary to my own of course)
Buffy Summers:
"Up until the punching, it was a real nice party."
Buffy Summers:
I know lol
Mr. Pole:
See? so you should not have felt bad for little Kaylee. She had fun.. and got some good food.
Buffy Summers:
Love Zoe's face there
Mr. Pole:
hahaha hi
Mr. Pole:
nakkid
Buffy Summers:
"I say Zoe gets naked." "No." "I could get naked." "No!"
Buffy Summers:
"Call me if anyone interesting shows up."
Mr. Pole:
lol 'he thinks he's doing well'
Buffy Summers:
lol
Mr. Pole:
why would anyone fall for that
Buffy Summers:
"Well, I'm alright."
Mr. Pole:
hahaha
Mr. Pole:
hahaha
Mr. Pole:
that was funny line
Mr. Pole:
uh oh... he cant get hookers anymore..
Buffy Summers:
lol
Buffy Summers:
I like how Mal's like, "Yes I'm hurt"
Mr. Pole:
battlestar galactica! phew! I was trying to remember what he was the lawyer in.
Mr. Pole:
all I could remember was his cat
Mr. Pole:
See... I dont know why you felt bad for little Kaylee
Buffy Summers:
Because people were so mean to her lol
Buffy Summers:
Who was the lawyer on BSG?
Mr. Pole:
pfft.
Mr. Pole:
Crowley
Buffy Summers:
Oh I forgot about that
Mr. Pole:
And I'm telling you.. with the haircut he had Young Hopeful resembled Vincent K.
Buffy Summers:
If you say so
Mr. Pole:
OH!!
Mr. Pole:
I know who he was... oh wow
Mr. Pole:
It was Rev Newlin from True Blood
Mr. Pole:
It was fun! thanks for pushing it back. I should be able to attend the normal time tomorrow I believe.
Mr. Pole:
I will now bid adieu... have fun going in late tomorrow!
Buffy Summers:
Okay, guys, "Safe" is tomorrow!
 
Buffy Summers said:
Well I feel like Mal's attitude highlights how wrong he is, rather than espousing his views.
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But it was also society as a whole. Mal degraded her. As you saw when they were introduced, the person in front of them said Lord or Sir so-and-so and Escort.. when little Kaylee came they, said Kaylee and escort. But when Lord Grabbyhand was introduced they said his name AND Inaris, thereby elevating her about a common escort.
 
I love that Kaylee ended up being the belle of the ball, she is so sweet.

I'm finding that I have no patience for River, at the moment, to me, she's just coming across as irratible.

Atherton reminded me of the frat boy in Reptile Boy. He seemed nice but ended up being incredibly viscous. I'm glad he was humiliated.
 
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