Best of the New Projects

What's your favourite of the New Projects?

  • Bones

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Reunion

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Close to Home

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • How I Met Your Mother

    Votes: 4 36.4%

  • Kitchen Confidential

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Prison Break

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Total voters
    11
I like How I met Your Mother. Not just Aly's part, although she's funny. The whole show makes me giggle incessantly. Granted, I haven't watched Kitchen Confidential (mostly...because it's on at the same time) so I don't really have an opinion on that one. But are we just talking about actor's new projects here? because Firefly/Serenity takes the cake for Joss. I like it better than Buffy (GASP! I never thought I'd say that, ever!!!)
 
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LOL! I sometimes feel like it's sacrilege to say you like something better than Buffy, too!
(I think that if Firefly/Serenity was included, most people who have seen that would vote for it.. 🙂 )

I voted How I Met Your Mother. Started watching that show today and already really like it. I like Reunion and Prison Break too though.. Only seen one episode of Bones yet, two Kitchen Confidential and none Close to Home. But yeah, HIMYM gets my vote, love Aly in it (wasn't half as weird to see her there as it was to see her on Veronica Mars)..
 
Anchovy said:
But are we just talking about actor's new projects here? because Firefly/Serenity takes the cake for Joss. I like it better than Buffy (GASP! I never thought I'd say that, ever!!!)
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I was just thinking the New Projects that are listed in the Whedonverse forum for now. s'alright? 🙂
 
I would have to say Bones.It's a very good show and I like the character interaction.I haven't seen any of the other shows yet so I can't comment on them.I have seen a bit of HIMYM and it looks good too.
 
well, i haven't seen any of the new shows yet, as i don't think they've started in the UK.
i know Bones is airing from January, that's the one i'm really looking forward to. i'm very into shows like that at the minute!
 
Definitely How I Met Your Mother. Not great, but definitely a nice little comedy to sit down and watch after being back at school. Bones isn't bad, but needs some work.
 
Prison Break is a terrific show, Reunion's in second place. Then would be KC...followed after a great distance by Bones...and a much much inferior HIMYM. Haven't watched Close to Home. I think only the first three with get renewed for another season.
 
Prison Break is the one that's just jumped out of the gate, in 1st place I think. But it's all adrenaline, plot-driven, like 24. David and Aly's projects are more character driven, need more time to develop, work their way into my cranium...Bones would be #2 though. Reunion, just don't know...I'm of two minds on that one 'cause I hate soaps, but this is different...
 
I'm a fan of Prison Break, but you know what I don't like about it are all these little, what I call Marti Noxonisms, or stuff that doesn't make sense, like how a guy on death row is on work detail with the general prison population, or when they spend 2 episodes showing us the prisoners breaking through a shatter-proof window, then when it's almost open they cram a flaming phone book through it. I mean, at this point they could just pull the loose chunks of window away and climb through the opening to get the frightened women inside, which is what they want.

For more on what I'm talking about check out the railway crossing scene in 'Him' (yes I do know Greenberg wrote it. He's her boy though), or any 10 minutes of 'Point Pleasant'.

Marti claims stuff doesn't have to make sense.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/?cmsGuid={66AA0589-AD2D-490D-90E9-FD124C2D1F99}

Some us find it irritating though.
 
nerd4hire said:
Marti claims stuff doesn't have to make sense.
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Heh, I have to really agree with her though. I mean, it really depends on what kind of show we're talking about. But in BtVS, there are just so many things that matter so much more than those details, in my opinion...
Not exactly the same when it comes to Prison Break though, I would expect things to make a little bit more sense there..
 
It's true that genre matters I suppose. Buffy could always fall back on "magic".

Personally, Noxon annoys me, "˜cause she often seems just a little too willing to underplay credible logistics and real world considerations to push home metaphors or personality traits or something. Didn't she say something like Buffy was "Party of Five with vampires"? That's just annoying.

Action is generally better for its realism. 24 is ridiculous, but it feels relatively convincing in its car chases and shootouts at least. Well, in TV reality anyway...
 
I voted for Bones, but Reunion is a close 2nd for me. Can't make a decision on any of the others, since I haven't seen them.
 
eponinethen said:
Heh, I have to really agree with her though. I mean, it really depends on what kind of show we're talking about.
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I disagree. I think anything has to make sense within the rules of the reality it creates. If it doesn't, there's a point where that mistake overpowers anything that might be good about the series, and the series fails.

Take a look at almost any series in the history of television that was successful, then failed. Towards the end of the series it almost always seemed to stop making sense within the rules of the reality it created - eg. Happy Days, Northern Exposure, Twin Peaks. (I throw in Happy Days, because that's where the phrase 'jumped the shark' came from.)
 
nerd4hire said:
I disagree. I think anything has to make sense within the rules of the reality it creates. If it doesn't, there's a point where that mistake overpowers anything that might be good about the series, and the series fails.

Take a look at almost any series in the history of television that was successful, then failed. Towards the end of the series it almost always seemed to stop making sense within the rules of the reality it created - eg. Happy Days, Northern Exposure, Twin Peaks. (I throw in Happy Days, because that's where the phrase 'jumped the shark' came from.)
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So true! And it applies particularly to the characters themselves. Anytime a character starts acting out of character"”consistently and too much"”the illusion is blown...
 
...It seems like a paradox, but often, the more restrictions and limits you place on art, narrative, the richer and more satisfying the result. Just my 2 cents.
 
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I see what you're saying and all, but I don't think that the not-making-real-sense thing has to be the reason. And again, it very much depends. A show like Twin Peaks obviously doesn't have to make complete sense, in fact – it shouldn't make complete sense. But that's not saying the not-sense-making can't be taken too far.. 'cause it most certainly can. I'm just saying that most of the time that isn't a real problem for me. It can be, if it feels like they're creating new "unrealistic" things just to come up with something new or just 'cause of laziness. But sometimes it just doesn't matter at all, or might actually even be a way to make the show better (again – as long as not taken too far)..

EDIT: But on the character thing I really agree. You should almost never give up a character's real personality/characteristics/whatever just to be able to tell the story you want to or something like that..
 
eponinethen said:
I see what you're saying and all, but I don't think that the not-making-real-sense thing has to be the reason. And again, it very much depends. A show like Twin Peaks obviously doesn't have to make complete sense, in fact "“ it shouldn't make complete sense. But that's not saying the not-sense-making can't be taken too far.. 'cause it most certainly can. I'm just saying that most of the time that isn't a real problem for me. It can be, if it feels like they're creating new "unrealistic" things just to come up with something new or just 'cause of laziness. But sometimes it just doesn't matter at all, or might actually even be a way to make the show better (again "“ as long as not taken too far)..

EDIT: But on the character thing I really agree. You should almost never give up a character's real personality/characteristics/whatever just to be able to tell the story you want to or something like that..
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Aww man, I could gab about this for days!!! Fun, fun, fun... you're right about Lynch. He's one of those artists that often intentionally doesn't make sense. He's often just going for a mood, or just a general intent to disturb. In fact, ABC destroyed Twin Peaks by messing with the show"”demanding that things be "resolved". Much of it depends on genre and the intent of the artist. A conventional murder mystery, if filled with plot holes and logical gaps, usually just leaves you pissed off.

The Simpsons, as another example, is basically all about messing with character and conventions. It's a satire, so it constantly plays with its characters' behavior and even its own internal cartoon logic"”all for a laugh or some comment on society.

And as far as art and limitations in general"”that's probably personal taste to a great degree.

But just listen to Joss when he's explaining his prep work for Wonder Woman. He's continually describing things that he will NOT do, will NOT have in the movie. You pare away all the superfluous junk, you intentionally box youself in with limitations, so that you have a firm, credible foundation and walls in which to bounce your characters around. It generally feels like more satisfying drama for characters to exist in a universe with rules and restrictions (to me).

A watercolor painting, a haiku poem, a 3-minute pop song. You can tweak those conventions, play with them"”bend, break the rules. But, I think it's good to have rules in the first place to bend....and there are also nearly limitless possibilities and variations within those confines.

Just thinking back to school. I had one painting teacher that said, "just explore, do whatever you want this semester and we'll have a couple of critiques". No technical training or advice whatsoever. It was fun, relaxing, but I just did what I was comfortable with, didn't learn much of anything.

Then there was another class. A drawing teacher. We were allowed three objects. I got a brown paper bag, a piece of rope and an onion. "This is gonna suck, big time!" I thought to myself. So many limitations! We explored every aspect of drawing with those objects: shape, value, negative, postive space, variation, repetition, etc...By working that restricted way, we learned of new ways to express ideas"”created more tools to explore the world with art! Our ideas were actually freed, multiplied, made much more sophisticated...by the end we were exploring themes of spirituality and emotions with paper bags and onions.

And that's why I tend to think that "post-modernism" is a two-edged sword. No restrictions, anything is possible. So, you have to define your own restrictions to create emotional reactions or "meaning" with art (if that's what you're trying to do).
 
nerd4hire
nerd4hire
Yeah. I get it.
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