Black History Month!!! (February)

Interesting thread. A little off topic, but I believe in equality for all people regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc and strongly hope that one day minorities will no longer be/be seen as minorities. Equality ftw! 🙂

Australia has a week dedicated to our Indigenous people (NAIDOC week) as well as Sorry Day, but I think that's pretty much it.
 
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Sorry Day? That sounds interesting! :D
Can I just say I didn't see from Christopher's post anywhere he was suggesting that minorities cannot identify with each other or their culture. He was simply stalking about the fact race is a construct created by humans and we can make it go away by not acknowledging it. Now that doesn't mean that will actually work... but it could if everyone just did it. Christopher's words were "people in minorities need to stop identifying themselves BY that minority." And I completely agree. Before everything else (race included) we're all people. You can identify WITH someone without identifying yourself BY your relationship with them. A smaller scale analogy would be like if all of us decided we can identify with the ship we prefer, but calling ourselves "Spuffies" and "Bangels" is wrong because it identifies us BY that relationship we have with our preferred ship. That's not a perfect analogy because race isn't something you can choose... but it's the same concept.
 
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It is kinda off the topic but NYSoM mentioned the month as a tool to getting in touch with the black culture. I have some questions regarding that... anyone is more than welcome to answer, of course.

This getting in touch with black culture struck a nerve. Do you think that the absence of cultural understanding self induced?

In essence there is a large group of people creating their own culture, their own heritage. Is this because of a lack of understanding of their own or simply a disinheritance of a history and culture that was not solely their own.

Would having deeper knowledge and understanding of ones own past, and shared cultural history have lessened the degree of which a new one was created? ie speech, dress, movies, etc?
 
Can I just say I didn't see from Christopher's post anywhere he was suggesting that minorities cannot identify with each other or their culture. He was simply stalking about the fact race is a construct created by humans and we can make it go away by not acknowledging it. Now that doesn't mean that will actually work... but it could if everyone just did it. Christopher's words were "people in minorities need to stop identifying themselves BY that minority." And I completely agree. Before everything else (race included) we're all people. You can identify WITH someone without identifying yourself BY your relationship with them. A smaller scale analogy would be like if all of us decided we can identify with the ship we prefer, but calling ourselves "Spuffies" and "Bangels" is wrong because it identifies us BY that relationship we have with our preferred ship. That's not a perfect analogy because race isn't something you can choose... but it's the same concept.

I disagree with this. Just because your cultural identity happens to be viewed as a minority doesn't mean you should stop practicing that culture in order to become part of mainstream society. We aren't all the same. We are different but that's OK. In fact that is exactly as it meant to be. We should be embracing the differences rather than fearing and resenting them.

Zo, I think you said you were Greek in another thread? Has that had any effect on shaping you as a person? I'm Irish. I'm sure there is a great deal our cultures would have in common (crazy families for one 😉 ) but there is a great deal different about us too. I am utterly shaped by my culture and especially by my country's history. If you asked me to describe myself the first word I would say is "Irish"...that's before woman, daughter, sister, aunt, friend, lover. My culture is integral to who I am. I don't think anyone should have to give that up, or tone it down.
 
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I'd also like to add that personally, my status as a minority is very important to me. I take pride in it precisely because for most of my life, I've been told not to. That being Asian is weird, speaking Chinese is stupid, being queer is gross, being a girl is 'lame'. Taking pride in who you are, and yes, identifying yourself by these minorities, is a way of subverting mainstream cultural ideas. It's carving out a place for yourself in a society that would rather not have you at all.
That is why I resent implications that I have to be viewed as a "person" instead of a "minority". Who says I cannot be both? Who says my status as a minority cannot afford me dignity as a human being? The only obstacle to that is other people's bigotry. I'm not going to tolerate that in shaping my OWN identity, and I shouldn't be asked to either.
 
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You have a poor attitude towards this, presumably from suffering a lot of prejudice in your life. I feel sorry for you and sad that people have said those horrible things you've listed to you.
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Exactly. In my experience, the more a group is told that who they are is a source of shame, the more pride that group finds in being who they are. :)
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Please do not use the term "queer." I take great offense to it. It's like "way to call gay people "weird, different, and strange" which are exactly the things you're arguing against.
It is kinda off the topic but NYSoM mentioned the month as a tool to getting in touch with the black culture. I have some questions regarding that... anyone is more than welcome to answer, of course.

This getting in touch with black culture struck a nerve. Do you think that the absence of cultural understanding self induced?

In essence there is a large group of people creating their own culture, their own heritage. Is this because of a lack of understanding of their own or simply a disinheritance of a history and culture that was not solely their own.

Would having deeper knowledge and understanding of ones own past, and shared cultural history have lessened the degree of which a new one was created? ie speech, dress, movies, etc?

It's simple...they're getting a deeper of knowledge about all thats them. BHM was created so they can learn about history of Africa and their history in the U.S. ..Without history how can you know your past...without your past how will you know where you been to learn from mistakes, etc. So it's not like their just "creating" a culture but rather trying to instill a culture that already existed but was never praised because of oppression.

Now when you talk about creating their own culture with (dress, movies, etc.) Black movies are to represent and cater to all the history of lacking Black characters, directors, etc. And to give them something they control to a point. Nothing wrong with wanting to start a black company and cater to your minority for entertainment and help create jobs for your community.

And I wouldn't say certain fashion is to create a culture cause they lack culture. You must mean Hip-Hop clothing...to say that's the definition of black culture is crazy. That doesn't represent every black person and what they wear and I'm in hip hop culture...am I automatically African American? If anything, hip hop is more of a inner city New York culture originally then an African culture from Africa.
 
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"Before you know where you're going, you've got to know where you've been." :)
Black History Month used to totally annoy me. When I was in high school, all the black kids at the school would get SO mean and hateful toward all the white people during BHM, and twice (my 8th grade year and then again my 11th grade year) there were riots that broke out in our gym. My parents were scared to let me go anywhere by myself, and this was just in a small farm town, not a big city.
Now that I'm older, I understand why black people get so angry and feel so opressed. My daughter is 8 and she just read all about George Washington Carver and was totally awed by all that he accomplished in his life. It made me realize that people like him and Rosa Parks and all the other token figured of BHM should be celebrated all year long. They are just as important to our country's history as anyone else is, and I totally understand why BHM is such a big deal to black people, because for most of the year all these people seem to be forgotten.
I'm with Zoà« though when I say that we should celebrate ALL minorities equally, and not just in 1 month out of the year. America has become such a blend of culture and race that it's kind of rediculous that we have to have certain months set aside for minorities anyway. Why can't all cultures be talked about all year long? Bluh.
 
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Black movies are to represent and cater to all the history of lacking Black characters, directors, etc.
I was thinking specifically about the earlier Blax movies like Shaft & Foxy Brown, versus the more mainstream movies of today. It is interesting (to me) as you now see Mexploitation movies raising in prominence.

lack culture.
I didnt mean lack culture the way that sounds, I mean lacked a culture that was their own. Its the same as you say about a movie company to make movies their own.

You must mean Hip-Hop clothing...to say that's the definition of black culture is crazy. That doesn't represent every black person and what they wear and I'm in hip hop culture...am I automatically African American? If anything, hip hop is more of a inner city New York culture originally then an African culture from Africa.
No, I dont mean solely hip-hop as that is an offshoot, but even then it is grouping and segmenting further within the population. I mean things such as this where its not so much a type of clothing (as in hip-hop) but the attitude and means by which its being done.

Do you think those things are coming about because (this is a sweeping generalization, I know, but I am at work and cannot phrase it the way I want) these people feel apart from society or a part of society?

Clearly the Garvey and Back to Africa movement was being apart from society but I always thought the above examples were the opposite, and they came about because a feeling of community; but after reading some of the responses I am not quite sure anymore. I may have been seeing things with rose-coloured glasses.
 
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I'm stuck at work on my iphone also..for some reason i can't see the link on the phone but I will be more than happy to try and answer your response when I get home
Back to what this thread is about...

Maya Angelou has always been on of my favourite poets.

Still I Rise

You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.

Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.

Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
Weakened by my soulful cries.

Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin' in my own back yard.

You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I'll rise.

Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?

Out of the huts of history's shame
I rise
Up from a past that's rooted in pain
I rise
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
I rise
Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
I rise
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
I rise
I rise
I rise.

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Y State of Mind agrees: Yes this is a fave of mines...great post..I was actually lucky enough to meet and hear her recite this

Wow, you met her? What was she like?
 
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Yes this is a fave of mines...great post..I was actually lucky enough to meet and hear her recite this :)
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Not to send this thread backwards (thanks for moving it forwards Kean) but I think it needs to be said that...

Just because someone has a different opinion than yours, that does not (necessarily) mean they are telling you YOU can't have your own opinion or that they can't have their own opinion. So please let's keep this discussion civil and keep it from getting personal.

Also, the intent of the OP was to celebrate BHM I think so let's change the tone here a bit please, and start new threads if you wish to discuss other offshoots.

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Does anybody have a favourite African American artist? I'd imagine we'd all have at least one since they have given the world such a rich musical culture.

Tupac Shakur is one of my favourite artists of all time. He was absolutely gifted lyrically. His socially conscious raps defined a generation, sometimes for the best, sometimes for the worst. Either way he left a gaping hole in rap and music is lesser for his absence.

I'd love to know what he would think of President Obama if he was alive.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXwmDGJAB8[/ame]

Jimi Hendrix, no explanation required. Legend.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbqchLSjAaI[/ame]
 
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I dont think he thinks anything, dear, he's kinda dead. Unless, ya know, he is like Elvis somewhere in hiding.
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I still think it's funny when I listen to old Digital Underground and there's TUPAC lol
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Tupac karma :)
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Pac & Jimi...your on a role girl :D
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Tupac <3
James Weldon Johnson was another very influential African American.

Here is a song he wrote as a poem:
*its often refered to as The Negro National Anthem and was first recited at a celebration of Lincon's Birthday and it was used to introduce Booker T. Washington.


Lift Every Voice and Sing

Lift every voice and sing,
'Til earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the listening skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us;
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on 'til victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chast'ning rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;
Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,
'Til now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,
God of our silent tears,
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who has by Thy might
Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,
May we forever stand,
True to our God,
True to our native land.
 
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nice post!!!
zobothehobo disagrees: Please do not use the term "queer." I take great offense to it. It's like "way to call gay people "weird, different, and strange" which are exactly the things you're arguing against.

I actually personally identify as 'queer'. It's a reclaimed term for people who do not fit into either the heteronormative or the mainstream LGBT community. I understand there are people who object to the use of the word 'queer', but in the dominant social justice community it is a legitimate identity. For reasons of sensitivity, that's exactly why I used it in my post to describe only myself. I did not presume that all others feel comfortable identifying that way; I used it specifically as a personal label. I thought that was clear from the way I included other parts of my identity (being raised culturally Chinese, Asian American, a young woman, etc.) in the same sentence. If it wasn't clear, then I apologize, but it was not used as a slur. I wouldn't use a slur against myself...😛

bell hooks is another very influential black figure. I think her work is more recent than most black figures we learn about in BHM, but she's still awesome. 😀 Her books are really fascinating when it comes to the intersection of race, gender, and class.

The most comprehensive biography I could find of hers is on Wikipedia, so sorry for that, but I've read through it and it's pretty accurate of what I've read of her elsewhere:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_hooks
Early life
Gloria Jean Watkins was born on September 25, 1952 in Hopkinsville, Kentucky. She grew up in a working class family with five sisters and one brother. Her father, Veodis Watkins, was a custodian and her mother, Rosa Bell Watkins, was a homemaker. Throughout her childhood, she was an avid reader.
Her early education took place in racially segregated public schools, and she wrote of great adversities when making the transition to an integrated school, where teachers and students were predominantly white. She graduated from Hopkinsville High School in Hopkinsville, Kentucky, earned her B.A. in English from Stanford University in 1973 and her M.A. in English from the University of Wisconsin–Madison in 1976. In 1983, after several years of teaching and writing, she completed her doctorate in the literature department from the University of California, Santa Cruz with a dissertation on author Toni Morrison.

Career
Her teaching career began in 1976 as an English professor and senior lecturer in Ethnic Studies at the University of Southern California. During her three years there, Golemics (Los Angeles) released her first published work, a chapbook of poems titled "And There We Wept" (1978), written under her pen name, "bell hooks". She adopted the names from her mother and grandmother. According to her, the name's unconventional lowercasing signifies what is most important in her works: the "substance of books, not who I am."[3]

She taught at several post-secondary institutions in the early 1980s, including the University of California, Santa Cruz and San Francisco State University. South End Press (Boston) published her first major work, Ain’t I a Woman?: Black Women and Feminism in 1981, though it was written years earlier, while she was an undergraduate student.[4] In the decades since its publication, Ain't I a Woman? has gained widespread recognition as an influential contribution to postmodern feminist thought.[5]
Ain’t I a Woman? examines several recurring themes in her later work: the historical impact of sexism and racism on black women, devaluation of black womanhood, media roles and portrayal, the education system, the idea of a white-supremacist-capitalist-patriarchy, the marginalization of black women, and the disregard for issues of race and class within feminism.

Since the publication of Ain’t I a Woman?, she has become eminent as a leftist and postmodern political thinker and cultural critic. She targets and appeals to a broad audience by presenting her work in a variety of media using various writing and speaking styles. As well as having written books, she has published in numerous scholarly and mainstream magazines, lectures at widely accessible venues, and appears in various documentaries.

She is frequently cited by feminists as having provided the best solution to the difficulty of defining something as diverse as "feminism", addressing the problem that if feminism can mean everything, it means nothing. She asserts an answer to the question "what is feminism?" that she says is "rooted in neither fear nor fantasy... 'Feminism is a movement to end sexism, sexist exploitation and oppression'".[6]
She has published more than 30 books, ranging in topics from black men, patriarchy and masculinity to self-help, engaged pedagogy to personal memoirs, and sexuality (in regards to feminism and politics of aesthetic/visual culture). A prevalent theme in her most recent writing is the community and communion, the ability of loving communities to overcome race, class, and gender inequalities. In three conventional books and four children's books, she demonstrates that communication and literacy (the ability to read, write, and think critically) are crucial to developing healthy communities and relationships that are not marred by race, class, or gender inequalities.

She has held positions as Professor of African and African-American Studies and English at Yale University, Associate Professor of Women’s Studies and American Literature at Oberlin College in Oberlin, Ohio, and as Distinguished Lecturer of English Literature at the City College of New York.

A commencement speech hooks gave in 2002 at Southwestern University was
considered controversial. Eschewing the congratulatory mode of traditional commencement speeches, she spoke of government-sanctioned violence and oppression, and admonished students who went with the flow. The speech was booed by many in the audience, though "several graduates passed over the provost to shake her hand or give her a hug."[7]

Influences

Writers who have influenced hooks include abolitionist and feminist Sojourner Truth (whose speech Ain't I a Woman? inspired her first major work), Brazilian educator Paulo Freire (whose perspectives on education she embraces in her theory of engaged pedagogy), Peruvian theologian and Dominican priest Gustavo Gutierrez, psychologist Erich Fromm, playwright Lorraine Hansberry, Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh, writer James Baldwin, Guyanese historian Walter Rodney, black nationalist leader Malcolm X, and civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr (who addresses how the strength of love unites communities).[9][10]

some quotes of hers that I love:

"For me, forgiveness and compassion are always linked: how do we hold people accountable for wrongdoing and yet at the same time remain in touch with their humanity enough to believe in their capacity to be transformed?"

"Genuine love is rarely an emotional space where needs are instantly gratified. To know love we have to invest time and commitment...'dreaming that love will save us, solve all our problems or provide a steady state of bliss or security only keeps us stuck in wishful fantasy, undermining the real power of the love -- which is to transform us.' Many people want love to function like a drug, giving them an immediate and sustained high. They want to do nothing, just passively receive the good feeling."

"I will not have my life narrowed down. I will not bow down to somebody else's whim or to someone else's ignorance."


"The transformative power of love is not fully embraced in our society because we often wrongly believe that torment and anguish are our ‘natural’ condition."

"Without justice there can be no love."

"I am passionate about everything in my life--first and foremost, passionate about ideas. And that's a dangerous person to be in this society, not just because I'm a woman, but because it's such a fundamentally anti-intellectual, anti-critical thinking society."
 
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I can't believe I haven't come across her before. I'll definitely be checking out her stuff. :)
The video of Morgan Freeman was interesting because I like him and I do kind of agree with what he's saying, but I don't mind if there's a Black History Month because it's nice to honor all the African Americans that were an improtant part of history.

And to answer Kean's question, I like Billie Holiday alot and many singers nowadays were influenced by her. Also, I know alot about her because I did a project on her in middle school 🙂.
 
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I love Billie Holiday!
One of my favorite poets, who happens to be Black, Langston Hughes...

Daybreak in Alabama

When I get to be a composer
I'm gonna write me some music about
Daybreak in Alabama
And I'm gonna put the purtiest songs in it
Rising out of the ground like a swamp mist
And falling out of heaven like soft dew.
I'm gonna put some tall tall trees in it
And the scent of pine needles
And the smell of red clay after rain
And long red necks
And poppy colored faces
And big brown arms
And the field daisy eyes
Of black and white black white black people
And I'm gonna put white hands
And black hands and brown and yellow hands
And red clay earth hands in it
Touching everybody with kind fingers
And touching each other natural as dew
In that dawn of music when I
Get to be a composer
And write about daybreak
In Alabama.
 
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love some Langston!!!
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Ooh, I also really love these quotations from bell hooks:

"Justice demands integrity. It’s to have a moral universe — not only know what is right or wrong but to put things in perspective, weigh things. Justice is different from violence and retribution; it requires complex accounting."

"I want there to be a place in the world where people can engage in one another’s differences in a way that is redemptive, full of hope and possibility. Not this “In order to love you, I must make you something else”. That’s what domination is all about, that in order to be close to you, I must possess you, remake and recast you."

"No other group in America has so had their identity socialized out of existence as have black women... When black people are talked about the focus tends to be on black men; and when women are talked about the focus tends to be on white women."

"There is light in darkness, you just have to find it."

"If you do not know what you feel, then it is difficult to choose love; it is better to fall. Then you do not have to be responsible for your actions."

"Love is an action, never simply a feeling."
 
I always liked the dark, grittiness of Indiana's own Etheridge Knight. Granted he was not from Indiana but we incarcerated him thus making his career so, we can claim him. Many of his poems contain profanity thereby are not appropriate for this forum, but I really dig on the way he writes.
 
What a strange road this topic has taken. I found myself resentful of Zobo's stance on BHM, hoping to hear more info and less rhetoric from those who have the knowledge. I remember reading Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and others years ago, but finding nothing so inspiring as Soul On Ice by Eldridge Cleaver. I knew and wanted to quote his saying, "The price of hating other human beings is loving yourself less", and when i went looking for the exact words found that he also said "Too much agreement kills a chat". So that ones for you, Zobo 🙂

Most of my connection to black culture comes through music, and some of those songs which transcend the usual parameters of that industry: Billie Holiday's "Strange fruit", Sam Cooke's " A Change is Gonna Come", Ray Charles' Modern Sounds in Country and Western album might not have been the first of it's kind but wow what a radical statement.

i think the thing that most moved me though was finding out that Aretha's first Atlantic album, "I Never Loved A Man (the way that i love you)" was made with a bunch of white kids from (and in) Alabama.
 
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