Boring?

[Lou]

I LOVE Season 5! It always makes me happy to see it start.
I get plain giddy!

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

I LOVE Season 5! It always makes me happy to see it start.
I get plain giddy!

Me too. I watched Smile Time today and was reminded just how hilarious and ridiculous it is 🙂

 

[Sweetescape]

Season five has now become my favorite Angel season! i loved most of the episodes and "A hole in the world" is just amazing its an episode that really stuck out for me. I also loved the comedy that it had with Spike and Angels little arguments! and harmony a little gem of comedy!

 

[Washburne]

I can understand not being a fan of season 5. It´s different from the other seasons but personally it´s my favourite. It has the the most single episodes I´m likely to watch if I´m just in the mood to watch a single episode. It´s more fun in general and as most of you know I need a bit of humour to really like something. Not that I don´t like the other seasons, I do. This is just my favourite so I can´t agree with it being boring.

 

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

incredibly, mind numbingly at times. i just hated the glory story line. anytime anything else was going on in an episode, it was far more interesting.

 

[Uncle Rory]

I have to say that in my opinion SEASON 5 ROCKED. But like any of the seasons of Buffy or Angel that were transitional, it takes some getting used to. I find it one of the most intense seasons from the Buffyverse. Damaged was a great ep.

Uncle Rory

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Uncle Rory agrees: Apparently I agree with you on this one. Loved season 5. But I think you have to know about Mexican Wrestling to appreciate the satire of this ep. And Spike rule.

I don't think an understanding of Mexican Wrestling would change anyones opinion of Cautionary Tales pacing.

I don't mind the story, quite like and appreciate the message, I just don't like the pacing.

 

[PurplePoof]

I have to say that in my opinion SEASON 5 ROCKED. But like any of the seasons of Buffy or Angel that were transitional, it takes some getting used to. I find it one of the most intense seasons from the Buffyverse. Damaged was a great ep.

Uncle Rory

See, I hear all these people loving season 5 and I'm wondering if I got the wrong DVDs or something. This is just so fascinating to me because I truly believe season 5 was worse than the mermaid episode of Charmed.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

Mermaid episode? lol. That sounds awful.

We all have different opinions. Just personal taste. 🙂 I know how you feel. I think everything in season 4 of Angel is terrible except the last three episodes. Yet many people absolutely love season 4. So, yeah. Just how it is.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

I absolutely love every single episode in season 5. My only real qualm with the whole season is the last episode...Wes' rushed death, not knowing what happened to Gunn, and Lindsey's death.

I always choose an episode from this season if I just want to watch one. 🙂

And all this Illyria talk is interesting. I don't really despise her character (like say, how I despise Conner) but I don't find her very interesting, either. I think her interactions with Spike are amusing, and she does have some good quotes, but I definitely wouldn't place her in the Greatest Ever Buffyverse Character list.

 

[Alien]

God no! But I love all the seasons of Angel, infact I actually prefer Angel to Buffy. I can never decide which season of Angel is the best, it changes with my mood. All the seasons are brilliant for different reasons. I love Harmony and the banter between spike and Angel. It was also nice to see Fred take the limelight a bit more with cordy not around, although I miss her in season 5.
I do think they focused too many episodes on Illyra and I didn't like it that Wesley was all depressed, i prefer it when he is like he is in season 1 and 2 lol.
I also enjoy Illyra's banter with Spike.

 

[Zack]

Season 5 was my favorite season of Angel there are some things i didn't like about it but over all it was a good season. The only thing i have a problem with is Illyria it seems like a good bulk of the episodes were focused on her

 

[Harm]

Season five was just the most rushed and ridiculous season ever. I never got the chance to ever get into something. *Spoilers from now on* First, they are all new to W&H, then Spike is back, now he's fading off, they Cordy's back; but OH wait she has to leave, now Fred's blue, now this SOO powerful black thorn which we knew NOTHING about until what? the last 2? 3? episodes of the whole Buffyverse. I was BS. The fifth season was just like "Charmed" to me. All they did was fight and people were FLYING across the room etc. etc.

So ridiculous.

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

First, they are all new to W&H

Many shows, including Buffy and Angel, change the setting for the purposes of the story.
The reasons behind them moving to W&H are clearly, and logically, explained and it adds a new dimension to the story.
It also fits in with the path of Angel himself, leading to the whole 'whose side will he be on'.
Up until this point we never truly questioned which side in the apocalypse he would fight for which kind of makes the whole Shanshu storyline irrelevent.

then Spike is back, now he's fading off

Setting aside the actual reasons for JM being in Angel, alot of time is given to an explanation of why Spike is at W&H and also on his integration in e very important Shanshu issue.
Had Spike not been in the show, the fandom would still have asked the question 'Who was the soulled Vampire?'

As for the 'now he's fading off' part, well I don't know anything about that - is that something from the comics?
If so, that has nothing to do with season 5.

they Cordy's back; but OH wait she has to leave,

Yes, its called a Guest appearance.
Charisma left the show - reasons are currently unknown why.
It was never stipulated that Cordelia would be back permanently, in fact we knew it was a one time deal.

now Fred's blue,

Yes, its called story telling.
What you do is you take a character and write interesting stories for them. That way you have this thing called growth in the show as opposed to keeping every character exactly the same for the duration of the show.

now this SOO powerful black thorn which we knew NOTHING about until what? the last 2? 3? episodes of the whole Buffyverse.

We had access to information about The Black Thorn. The members of this group are seen through-out the season.
They are the secret (notice that word) arm of the Senior Partners in this world that grease the cogs of the apocalypse.

I was BS. The fifth season was just like "Charmed" to me. All they did was fight and people were FLYING across the room etc. etc.

So ridiculous.

Not quite - I would suggest you watch the show again and try to understand what is going one...I say I would suggest, something tells me that is pointless here.

The only thing i have a problem with is Illyria it seems like a good bulk of the episodes were focused on her

2 episodes out of 21 is hardly 'bulk' (I don't count A Hole in the World) and then a continued presense in 5 other episodes.
Again, its part of a process when you write a show based around a group of people - you include them all in the narrative.

 

[BlasterBoy606]

This was the worst season of Angel, IMHO. This resembles Season 1, the season which has almost no plot at all, and after having three seasons of heavy plot mythos stories, we get this, no plot, standalones, W&H, no Cordy, Spike brought in to appease Buffy fans, and you can just jump in anytime at all.

The first fourteen episodes or so kinda suck, IMO. "Conviction", "Just Rewards", "Unleashed", and "Hellbound", the whole first disc are all horrible episodes, IMO. Not only bad episodes, horrible episodes. Then "The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco" *sigh* That was crappy piece of television. "Life of the Party" was ok, but still not good.

The season started to pick up with "Destiny" and "Lineage", but then "Soul Purpose", "Why We Fight", "Smile Time", and "You're Welcome" came along. I really disliked SP, WWF, and Smile Time. You're Welcome is amazing, but the fact that they brought back Cordy and then just killed her only for us to realize how much different Angel is without her FOR THE WORSE (I mean the show; not the character). Cordelia was the glue that held the show together. "A Hole In The World" was good, with amazing acting, but the writing was WAY too cheesy at times. "Shells" was amazing, and "Underneath" was entertaining. "Origin" was amazing, "Time Bomb" was another great episode, and "Power Play" was a kind of bad episode. "Not Fade Away" was just a stunning series finale. But "The Girl In Question". AH! That episode sucks. Worst. Episode. Of the Series. And it was the third last episode. We have 3 eppys left, and the Angel crew gives us a crappy comedy episode where Spike and Angel stalk Buffy? Seriously!?

So, in this season, we lose the Hyperion, Cordelia, Fred, Wesley, and we gain...Spike and Illyria. Woo. /sarcasm

This season has the most amount of episodes that I HATE.

 

[Harm]

Many shows, including Buffy and Angel, change the setting for the purposes of the story.
The reasons behind them moving to W&H are clearly, and logically, explained and it adds a new dimension to the story.
It also fits in with the path of Angel himself, leading to the whole 'whose side will he be on'.
Up until this point we never truly questioned which side in the apocalypse he would fight for which kind of makes the whole Shanshu storyline irrelevent.

I'm not saying W&H is a bad thing, I'm just saying if they are going to do it, then don't rush into all this crap at the same time.

Setting aside the actual reasons for JM being in Angel, alot of time is given to an explanation of why Spike is at W&H and also on his integration in e very important Shanshu issue.
Had Spike not been in the show, the fandom would still have asked the question 'Who was the soulled Vampire?'

As for the 'now he's fading off' part, well I don't know anything about that - is that something from the comics?
If so, that has nothing to do with season 5.

But it was un needed and they only did it for ratings. Why did people need to ask which vampire it was? Spike was killed in Buffy. The fading off, you know, when he's like in and out and disappearing and coming back?

Yes, its called a Guest appearance.

Really? I had NO idea.

Charisma left the show - reasons are currently unknown why.

that's funny.

It was never stipulated that Cordelia would be back permanently, in fact we knew it was a one time deal.

Yea, at the end of the episode. I'm not saying it was a bad thing, I'm just using this all as an example as to why it was so rushed.

Yes, its called story telling.

Well, that's one way to describe it...

What you do is you take a character and write interesting stories for them. That way you have this thing called growth in the show as opposed to keeping every character exactly the same for the duration of the show.

Too bad they brought her in last minute, had absolutely no development for her, and killed a character that was actually getting interesting FINALLY at the time.

We had access to information about The Black Thorn. The members of this group are seen through-out the season.
They are the secret (notice that word) arm of the Senior Partners in this world that grease the cogs of the apocalypse.

But it was SO made up last minute, and you know it. You can easily tell.

Not quite - I would suggest you watch the show again and try to understand what is going one...I say I would suggest, something tells me that is pointless here.

I'm sorry that our opinions differ, but I try to steer clear of Season 5 unless it's "You're Welcome" or "Harm's Way". The rest makes me want to run out and buy the Charmed series collection.

 

[Revolver]

Season 5 is probably (well, not probably, it is) my least favorite Buffyverse season except for Buffy Season One. In theory, I should have loved it. I like Spike and Harmony, so their addition did not bother me. I liked Cordelia, but they'd pretty much spent a season and a half destroying her character so I really didn't miss her in season 5.

But....I'm just not that crazy about it. I did miss the story arcs. I understand it was a condition the network imposed on them, but the big story arcs were much more interesting. And yes, it's true that season one was based around standalone stories as well, but I guess for me at least, season one had better standalone stories. There were good things about Season five, but there were also more outright bad episodes than all the other Angel seasons combined. "Hellbound" was completely boring. There's no suspense at all because we know they're not going to resurrect Spike on Buffy and get rid of him two episodes later and he spends too much of the episode by himself. I think they were going for creepy, but it really failed big time. "Life of the Party" has two or three funny moments, but it really is just the poor man's "Something Blue." "Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco" just plain sucked. It spends way too much time telling the backstory of a character no one cares about and is all based around a satire of Mexican Wrestling that doesn't translate well to anyone uninterested in that subject. I know the whole thing was really about Angel remembering he's a hero, but there must have been a better way to do it! "Why We Fight" is a largely boring episode. Other episodes do a better job of flashing back and keeping the story going in the present at the same time. The action in the present was much more interesting and got much less screentime. And they had to write around Spike not knowing Angel had a soul in the flashbacks which kind of seemed forced and awkward. I spent about a year hearing about how funny "Smile Time" was before I actually saw it and I was so disappointed. It's okay, but really overrated. The Buffyverse writers are usually so good with dialogue and yet the hilarious line in this episode is "wee little puppet man?" And I wasn't really impressed with DB's voice acting in the episode. It didn't seem like Angel had turned into a puppet. It seemed like a puppet was in the room and Angel was doing a wacky voice for it behind his desk. "Carpe Noctem" is a much better out of body experience episode for Angel, and that one is completely underrated.

The season finally starts to get good once they kill off Fred, however heartbreaking it is but still, it doesn't balance out the earlier episodes to save it from being my least favorite Angel season. Honestly, the only other episode in the entire series that I dislike is season one's "She."

 

[Summerlilly]

Wow. I reall am amazed at how much everyone loved this season. I wouldn't say it was the worst season...but COME ON there were more than a few filler episodes and it definately felt like there wasn't much of a Big Bad, especially for the LAST season. No where near the magnitude of Buffy's ending. Not having Cordelia was a Huge mistake, not to mention killing Fred!! But I do have to say there were a few good things. Thank God they brought Spike on board. He was just what we needed to keep it interesting after killing Cordy. I wasn't quite sure about the whole Wolfrom and Heart move at first but it ended up being the change that was necessary to keep the show growing. I was happy the brought Connor back for a bit...a nice good Connor. Illyria was interesting, beautiful and showed off Amy's acting skills but she seemed lost and didn't quite mesh right.....overall I was pretty dissapointed with the ending of the whole Buffyverse t.v. wise. Supposedly they went out fighting, yeah ok Joss.

 

[Buffyverse Fan]

Well Season 5 probably did have less action than any other season, Angel complained about it. Personally I thought Spike & Doyle were Angel's best teammates just because Angel looked at them as equals rather than people that he had to protect.

I'd say S5 is my 4th favorite season out of all 12 Buffyverse seasons.
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Wow. I reall am amazed at how much everyone loved this season. I wouldn't say it was the worst season...but COME ON there were more than a few filler episodes and it definately felt like there wasn't much of a Big Bad, especially for the LAST season. No where near the magnitude of Buffy's ending. Not having Cordelia was a Huge mistake, not to mention killing Fred!! But I do have to say there were a few good things. Thank God they brought Spike on board. He was just what we needed to keep it interesting after killing Cordy. I wasn't quite sure about the whole Wolfrom and Heart move at first but it ended up being the change that was necessary to keep the show growing. I was happy the brought Connor back for a bit...a nice good Connor. Illyria was interesting, beautiful and showed off Amy's acting skills but she seemed lost and didn't quite mesh right.....overall I was pretty dissapointed with the ending of the whole Buffyverse t.v. wise. Supposedly they went out fighting, yeah ok Joss.

I agree with all of the above!

Though I'm not sure what you mean by "went out fighting"? If you are referring to Joss trying to keep the Buffyverse on air? If so, I'm pretty sure WB wanted Angel to continue with TV Movies, but Boreanaz didn't want to take Angel any route except for Season 6 or a Mainstream Film in theaters.

 

[AmongFriends]

Season 5 was interesting. I wouldn't go so far as to call them boring. Of course, there were filler episodes that weren't even that good as stand-alones, ie. "numero cinco", "why we fight" but I thought it held up pretty solid. I would say that around..."You're Welcome" that they picked up their stride and stuff began to happen. That was when I felt that the season really began. 'cause after that, we get "smile time", "a hole in the world", "shells", "origin", "not fade away", etc. There are too many good episodes to call the season a bore.