Buffy ep by ep; BAD GIRLS

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Bad Girls
The Good;
All of it, excellent battle sequences and Faith's luring of Buffy especially good. Nic Brendon's twitching on demand is also wonderful. The silent scene with Faith and the Deputy-Mayor's body is excellent. The Mayor's ritual scene is also great especially his 'things to do' list.

The Bad;
Has anyone ever really been able to sneak out of class without the teacher noticing?

Best line;
Faith "I like him, He's butch!"
Wheldon Cliches;

Character death;
If we include the vamps killed when Buffy and Faith smash through the doors then this ep must have the greatest number of dustings ever. And of course Faith accidentally kills the deputy Mayor. Watching it it's all the more tragic as Buffy hits him first, if she'd had the stake in her hand rather than Faith did it would have been her that killed him. Of course she would have dealt with it very differently as the events of 'Dead Things' demonstrate. Buffy's killing of Balthazar once more shows her ingenuity.

Shot;
No but the cops threaten the Slayers with guns, otherwise they'd never have been able to capture them. Mr Trick ventures that the Illuminati should used Uzis rather than swords but he doesn't follow his own advice.

Tied up;
Faith and Buffy in handcuffs. Wes and Giles also tied up by the vamps.

Knocked out;
Women good/men bad;
As the title suggests, the girls are the bad ones this time
Jeez!;
Always horrible to watch Buffy drown, again! Balthazar is grotesque! The Mayor has a 'splitting headache'.
Kinky dinky;
Even when being arrested Faith flirts with the cop.
Cop; "Spread'em"
Faith; "You wish!"
Note that when Buffy drags Faith away when dancing in the Bronze she points to 3 guys and goes 'Call me!". When Faith doubts that Buffy has never had sex with Xander she asks 'What are friends for?'. The show that the pair put on at the Bronze is normally the sort of thing you have to pay £15 at the door for. And of course they just have to add it to the opening titles so we see it every week. Buffy comments on Faith's grunting and how slaying turns her on, getting 'sweaty'. Xander describes Cordy's dress as 'hookerwear'

Calling Captain Subtext;
The whole thing is just a massive love letter between Buffy and Faith. Doug Petrie drools over them dancing at the Bronze. The symbol Faith makes in the window is basically a valentine to her girlfriend. You could also argue that Willow is jealous of Faith and is trying to win Buffy back. What a shame they dropped the line about Wes and Giles at the Bronze being David Bowie and a boyfriend (wouldn't ASH make an excellent David Bowie?). Interesting according to Petrie that ED was always keen to play the lesbian subtext. You wonder was SMG? Although to judge by her performance in 'Cruel Intentions' she probably wouldn't have a problem with it.

Guantanamo Bay;
Faith leads Buffy in burglary and criminal damage, knocking out 2 cops in the process. Balthazar get's Wes to talk by threatening to rip off his kneecaps.
Scoobies to the ER;
Where's Dawn?
I wonder what Dawn's attitude to Faith is? You think that if Faith had a Joyce and Dawn to go home to she'd never have gone bad. Joyce is dieting, I really don't think she needs to.

Questions and observations;
Does Mr Trick follow the Slayers around? He seems to have recovered the swords very quickly. Doug Petrie's commentary is very weird, he rather reminds me of a young Tom Hanks in a dreadful film he made called Bachelor Party. The Mayor can't be killed, what if you cut his head off? The Mayor's comments about the Scouts are a bit disturbing, he wants to 'eat'em up!'. I think it's evident that Faith does care she killed a man or it wouldn't affect her so much. Doug's wrong in his commentary. Buffy and Faith will be friends again. Willow is deciding which university, another benefit of the Hellmouth genius. And here's Wes, no sign yet that he'll last over 5 years in the show and get his name in the opening titles. Xander's dad seems to be currently unemployed. The cops refer to Sunnydale's girl gangs, confirming what we learnt in The Zeppo (even now Faith can't resist teasing Buffy by referring to them as The Slayers). First meeting of Wes and Angel, surely Wes would have read up on him prior to coming to SD?
Marks out of 10; 10 out of 10 or maybe 5x5 would be a better way to put it
 
I love this episode. Especially all the Fuffy subtext. 😀 Well, it's all fun and game until someone staked a man. The last scene was shocking. "I don't care" killed me. 🙁

Lol, I know right. The dance scene was in S4 and S5 opening credits. I love it because I missed Faith so much. Just like how they put a Faith scene in Five By Five in some seasons credits of ANGEL after that. 😀
 
The last scene was shocking. "I don't care" killed me. 🙁

I agree, Min. It's heartbreaking. Because how much she cares is actually written all over her face.

The dance scene, as much as I love it for being kick-ass Buffy and Faith, Buffy's *ahem* dancing is kind of strange. If I had a boyfriend, you wouldn't catch me a-bumping and a-grinding with some other guys in the way she does. 😉
 
MinwaraYana
MinwaraYana
The one who was being bumped and grinded was Faith. :D
Yeah, Faith cares big time but can't bring herself to admit it, even to herself. As for Buffy's dancing she reassures him that they're 'Just boys' and that she likes him. And most guys I know would be perfectly happy to watch their girlfriend do some bumping and grinding with Faith:cheering:
 
Flannen
Flannen
lol, Faith is fine. ;)
I liked that episode...except for the tragic killing thing...Faith's downfall has begun 🙁

Well I am not sure the bad girl Buffy is the one i wanna see...i think she turns to Faith for friendship and support because she feels that no one else understands her feelings,and she is right...only her fellow Slayer can really understand her!I mean Buffy breaking into stores is not in her character!Faith is more like the "bad girl" not that she's really bad,you know what i mean!Faith really wants to be a Slayer,she has fun because of it...she enjoys her power and uses it to have anything she wants,while Buffy has always been the one who doesn't quite accept her destiny and she doesn't use her power for profit!
And i really,really liked the "Buffy running to Angel" like that!!!even though he thinks she is dancng with other boys she clearly shows him her feelings!

Interesting investigation of the characters!

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poor Faith...the look on her face...

and Welcome nerdy Wes!!!i laughed my ass off!!!his first apearance and i finally get to see how he used to be!!!hahahahahaha!!!
 
BibliophileAnn
BibliophileAnn
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Original script had Faith hanging herself

Its on the buffy wiki (I cant post the url because I need to have 15 posts to be able to post url's)
 
^ You gotta be kidding. That's horrible. And who helped her? And which part of episode it would happen??

Buffy was supposed to have walked in the motel room at the end and discovered it. Writers decided to further the character instead.
 
Oh, you mean they were gonna killed Faith off? Never heard of that so it's good to know. I heard only about ED was gonna be in only 5 episodes, but Faith became popular so they kept her much more longer. 🙂
 
Wow, that would've sucked. I'm really glad they didn't do that because Faith had one of the better arcs of the whole series.
 
Technically speaking it would work either way. Her killing herself only goes to show what could have become of buffy not only if she didnt have friends and support and if it was her that accidently killed the mayor in that fight (it could have been either of them). Keeping her going is more interesting too, shes not like kendra, faith is engaging and interesting. And I suppose they allready showed the danger to buffy by killing off kendra (allready did the red shirt thing)
 
Professor Walsh
Professor Walsh
Kendra could have grown interesting, too, had they let her.
How? I doubt someone would use a spell. ^_^

Infinite number of ways, for instance;

1)Teenage Billy starts dreaming again, Faith appears in Buffy's dream and she is able to drag her back to the real world

2) The Initiative ressurect Faith Adam-style (as his mate?). She get's exposed to Morah demon blood and returned to human

3) Some evil force ressurects a dead entity for it's own purposes but for balance to be maintained a force for good must also be brought back to life ie Faith

4) Angel decides to use the life owed to him in The Trial to bring Faith back

5) Demon acolytes drain lifeforce from humans into a vessel in order to ressurect their dead leader. Buffy defeats the demons and recovers the vessel and uses it to bring Faith back

(If any of these seem familar to you, yeah there was a fanfic writer I used to read called the Googlecaptain who wrote happy endings to all darkfic ever and these are some of his/her solutions)
 
MinwaraYana
MinwaraYana
Great ideas. But I would be sad if it's Adam-style, lol.
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