Buffy ep by ep; CONSEQUENCES

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Consequences
The Good;
Hugely powerful ep, the dream sequence, Angel reaching out to Faith, the fight at the docks, the shock ending, as powerful as Buffy has ever been.
The Bad;
It's truly heartrending to watch Faith's fall from grace. One question though, where does Wes get his thugs from? They'd have been rather useful in the past.

Best line;
Buffy; "Cordelia is a friend"
Cordy; "Let's not exaggerate"
Wheldon Cliches;

Character death;
Bye-bye Mr Trick, who didn't follow his own advice about getting an Uzi.
Shot;

Tied up;
Angel in chains and Faith chained up twice. Buffy entangled at the dockside

Knocked out;
Faith, Angel, Wes and possibly Xander
Women good/men bad;
Not this time
Jeez!;
Horrible to watch both Buffy and Xander almost strangled
Kinky dinky;
Faith and Xander forget the safety word (a BDSM term). Faith tries eroto-asphyxia and refers to Xander as her boy toy (just a minor point but how gorgeous does she look at this point, like she's off to the ball or something?). Buffy in her dream sequence indulges in some wet T-shirt action. First meeting of Wes and Cordy (historic although neither realise it). Faith refers to Cordy as jail-bait suggesting she is under 18.
Calling Captain Subtext;
Willow sobbing in the toilets (how many of us did that in high school?) that Xander has lost his virginity to Faith rather than her. Buffy states that the guys Faith sleeps with are a 'big joke to her', implying that she's not that into guys? Buffy starts to make the effort to be more friendly to Will, you could say she's choosing her femme girlfriend over her butch?
Guantanamo Bay;
The Watcher's council once again show their ruthless side. Although the Mayor controls the police his influence seems to be not total.
Scoobies to the ER;
Xander must have some fingermarks on his neck with Buffy and Angel also bearing some bumps as does Wes
Where's Dawn?
Must be used to cops at the Summer's house by now? Joyce seems to wait up for Buffy to come home

Questions and observations;
Good ep but hard to watch, it's all so sad. We do however now start the run of the final eps of season 3 which set the standard for TV generally. Faith seems to feel genuine regret for what she's done but can't come to terms with it. She doesn't go evil right away, she saves Buffy, she could have just snapped Xander's neck but she doesn't. She's happy that the Mayor and deputy Mayor were dirty, alleviates her guilt. Apparently Slayers have killed before and the council takes them back for rehabilitation. But really they don't have much alternative, up until now there's only one Slayer. Does the Mayor want rid of the Slayers or not? Who's going to control the supernatural threat for him otherwise? To judge by the way the SDPD go straight to the Slayers and talk about wooden weapons the Slayers are an open secret in SD.
Terrible commentary, directors commentaries always seem to want to talk about camera speeds and lenses. More writers and actors please!
Marks out of 10, 6/10 powerful but not that much fun to watch
 
Oh, I would rate it 5x5 instead of Bad Girls if I were you. Because it's my favorite episode of BtVS. 🙂 It's so powerful and sad. I feel bad for Faith. She's just never said what she really thought or how she really felt. The worst thing she did is, telling Giles that Buffy killed the Deputy Meyor. I think it's out of character.

It's good to see everyone trying to help her. I want to blame Wesley for everything. But he just did his job. And it's good to see Willow being there for Buffy.

My favorite quote is, when the cop asked Faith about how come the weapon that killed Allan is made of wood. She said things like, the murderer doesn't like medieval ages. 😉

Favorite scene : At the dock. Everything that happened there. The conversation and the fight. The Faith staking vamp at the back to save Buffy the second time in two weeks. Aww, how sweet that Buffy pushed Faith away from that box falling from above. And Faith rushed to help Buffy up, but sadly those vamps reached her first. Lol, I'm so full of Fuffyness. I'll stop now. 🙂
 
One of my favourite episodes too. Season 3 is my favourite season of them all. My heart broke when Willow cried in the bathroom. When I was watching the series in its hey day, I was a huge Xander/Willow shipper!
 
Yeah you feel such empathy for Willow AND Faith, the fact that Faith does save Buffy from Trick is hugely significant in their relationship
 
They love each other. I always believed that in CHOICES Faith really wouldn't have gone through with torturing Buffy
 
They love each other. I always believed that in CHOICES Faith really wouldn't have gone through with torturing Buffy

You meant, in Enemies? When she and Angelus(a.k.a. Angel in disguise) were gonna torture her? And I believe that too. 🙂
 
very nice episode but very sad...Faith going to the Mayor...offering herself for the job...i really believe that if Wes hadn't gone to Angel's house Angel could have convince Faith to come back to the good side...I remember in Sanctuary when Faith said that Buffy was the only person who ever tried to be her friend...well it is true,even when the others wanted to give up on Faith she still believed in her,she wanted to help her...
But i really didn't like Faith blaming Buffy like that...i know she is the wild,bad girl...but that was really,really BAD!and poor Willow...oh my God,how bad she felt.I also like the scene where Buffy goes to Willow's and starts crying...really amazing episode!
 
But i really didn't like Faith blaming Buffy like that...i know she is the wild,bad girl...but that was really,really BAD!

Yeah, I can't believe she did that. I think it's out of character. I think even Faith was bad, she wouldn't blame anyone, especially Buffy. Faith would either run away(pre-Doppelgangland) or smile and say "Yeah, I did that. I'm a bad ass."(post-Consequences).
 
Yeah, I was a little mad at Willow. Its almost like she wanted to dump faith off at the nearest oppurtunity, kinda like "These are my friends and crushes, go away". But she wasnt in any position to imply Faith was a slut, when shes the one that cheated on Oz, nor later on when she criticized faith for her turn to evil and her "supposedly bad life boo-hoo" when Willow went evil in half a day(after tara died) as opposed to Faith where it took 16-17 years
 
Yeah, I was a little mad at Willow. Its almost like she wanted to dump faith off at the nearest oppurtunity, kinda like "These are my friends and crushes, go away". But she wasnt in any position to imply Faith was a slut, when shes the one that cheated on Oz, nor later on when she criticized faith for her turn to evil and her "supposedly bad life boo-hoo" when Willow went evil in half a day(after tara died) as opposed to Faith where it took 16-17 years

Would love to see how their drive home from LA went, lots of fanfic about it but it normally ends with lesbian sex:cool2:
 
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"ends with lesbian sex" seems to be true of 95% of the fanfic you mention. :p
Would love to see how their drive home from LA went, lots of fanfic about it but it normally ends with lesbian sex:cool2:


Yeah, Im not into the lesbo sex stuff haha, but I cant seem to find any fanfic of that, allthough I have heard of it here and there
 
Just check out adultfanfic.net (as long as you're over 18) more slashfic than you shake a stick at
 
Just re-watched: does anybody else wonder why Finch was coming to find the Slayers, if that indeed is what he was doing? Was it just wrong place/wrong time?

During the scene with the Mayor & Trick, my oldest son was walking through the room and laughed when the Mayor said that now he couldnt scold Finch since he was dead. A Buffy fan in training LOL! (he's 9)
 
Just re-watched: does anybody else wonder why Finch was coming to find the Slayers, if that indeed is what he was doing? Was it just wrong place/wrong time?

I'd imagine he was looking for them to ask for their help. I think he wanted to get out from the Mayor's grasp.




I just watched the commentary to this episode and I thought it was wonderful to hear Michael Gershwin refer to SMG as a "dream to work with" and that he thinks of her as a third daughter. Nice compared to a lot of the other stories your hear.

The episode to me is one of those really brilliant ones. From Faith's trying to pin the blame on Buffy, strangle Xander, Wesley messing up most frustratingly and of course Faithy's joining the dark side... all incredibly entertaining to watch.

Though it does make sad for Faith's character, re-watching eps like these just remind me of how lonely of a person she seems to be and how desperate she is to find anything or anyone to hold on to
 
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