Buffy Parallels in other Fantasy Shows

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I've been thinking lately about the similarities and parallels between two of Buffy's relationships (but mostly Bangel) and other shows such as Bella/Edward from Twilight and Cassie/Azazael from Hex.

Now I'm hoping this won't turn into a Bangel vs. Spuffy thread or a "Oh, Edward is so lame and he sparkles" (which is true but off topic) and I'm not trying to offend any Twilight fans etc.

I'm just wondering what makes the Bangel and Spuffy relationships work for me when I've never in my life been attracted to "bad boys" real life or fiction (I mostly go for Oz or Giles types) and why similar relationships fail so miserably on other shows.

Aside from the good writing, I initially thought it was the good vs. evil aspects of Buffy/Angel "Okay, the sweet, innocent girl falls in love with a demon, but the show never pretends he's anything other than he is, and, when she sleeps with him, he turns evil, tries to kill her friends and she has to kill him." I reasoned with myself. There are consequences for them ignoring the danger of their relationship. Part of the reason Bella/Edward doesn't work for me, is Edward is basically a "good" guy (in the author's warped twisted idea of what a good guy is) and Edward and Bella get married, she becomes a vampire etc. and live happily ever after 😕 The franchise seems to ignore the fact that there might be some consequences for a human to fall in love and settle down with demon.

But then when I was watching a UK show called Hex about a young blonde girl who falls in love after a long seduction with a demon named Azazael who doesn't love her and is almost pure evil (it's not a very famous show nor is it very good so I'm not recommending it) I failed to be interested in that relationship either. Sure, there were consequences for their actions and the sinister nature of the relationship wasn't ignored, but since he was so evil and there was really no gray area as to his character or motivations I just felt bored and unmoved.

So what I'm trying to get at is I guess I like Bangel and Spuffy not because Angel and Spike are dark, mysterious "bad boys" nor are they perfect little vampire knight in shining armour happily ever after dreamboats, but because, despite the fact that they are both vampires they are extremely human.

They have human desires, human feelings, human fears and weaknesses. Buffy isn't attracted to or in love with the mystery in them or the demon (in my opinion) but she is in love with the humanity. Maybe she can see it while many others can't because she herself struggles between the hostile "slayer" side of herself and the human "Buffy" side. I think a lot of people don't see the relationships this way. My dad quit watching Buffy early in the second season because he got sick of the Buffy and her vampires side of it and I've never been able to get him to give the show a second chance (though he loves Bones and Firefly).

Thoughts?
 
I've been thinking lately about the similarities and parallels between two of Buffy's relationships (but mostly Bangel) and other shows such as Bella/Edward from Twilight and Cassie/Azazael from Hex.

Now I'm hoping this won't turn into a Bangel vs. Spuffy thread or a "Oh, Edward is so lame and he sparkles" (which is true but off topic) and I'm not trying to offend any Twilight fans etc.

I'm just wondering what makes the Bangel and Spuffy relationships work for me when I've never in my life been attracted to "bad boys" real life or fiction (I mostly go for Oz or Giles types) and why similar relationships fail so miserably on other shows.

Aside from the good writing, I initially thought it was the good vs. evil aspects of Buffy/Angel "Okay, the sweet, innocent girl falls in love with a demon, but the show never pretends he's anything other than he is, and, when she sleeps with him, he turns evil, tries to kill her friends and she has to kill him." I reasoned with myself. There are consequences for them ignoring the danger of their relationship. Part of the reason Bella/Edward doesn't work for me, is Edward is basically a "good" guy (in the author's warped twisted idea of what a good guy is) and Edward and Bella get married, she becomes a vampire etc. and live happily ever after 😕 The franchise seems to ignore the fact that there might be some consequences for a human to fall in love and settle down with demon.
WHOA! SPOILER! WTF?!?! I only watch the movies. Thanks for ruining it for me!

And, as you said, she's apparently not a human anymore. 😡
But then when I was watching a UK show called Hex about a young blonde girl who falls in love after a long seduction with a demon named Azazael who doesn't love her and is almost pure evil (it's not a very famous show nor is it very good so I'm not recommending it) I failed to be interested in that relationship either. Sure, there were consequences for their actions and the sinister nature of the relationship wasn't ignored, but since he was so evil and there was really no gray area as to his character or motivations I just felt bored and unmoved.

So what I'm trying to get at is I guess I like Bangel and Spuffy not because Angel and Spike are dark, mysterious "bad boys" nor are they perfect little vampire knight in shining armour happily ever after dreamboats, but because, despite the fact that they are both vampires they are extremely human.

They have human desires, human feelings, human fears and weaknesses. Buffy isn't attracted to or in love with the mystery in them or the demon (in my opinion) but she is in love with the humanity. Maybe she can see it while many others can't because she herself struggles between the hostile "slayer" side of herself and the human "Buffy" side. I think a lot of people don't see the relationships this way. My dad quit watching Buffy early in the second season because he got sick of the Buffy and her vampires side of it and I've never been able to get him to give the show a second chance (though he loves Bones and Firefly).

Thoughts?
 
Washburne
Washburne
It sucks to be spoiled but really, you can't expect everyone to shut their mouth about everything which is needed to be 100% spoiler safe.
brinkster130
brinkster130
Don't worry, its not too much of a spoiler. Plus, you may even disagree with her take on their relationship.
Actually, this makes TWILIGHT more realistic than BUFFY, to me that is, in a weird way. As no one ever really pays for their whacked out issues or mistakes in reality.
 
Actually, this makes TWILIGHT more realistic than BUFFY, to me that is, in a weird way. As no one ever really pays for their whacked out issues or mistakes in reality
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ummm, you'd probably better watch both parts of Breaking Dawn before making that call. (Or read the god-awful book).
 
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ummm, you'd probably better watch both parts of Breaking Dawn before making that call. (Or read the god-awful book).
Hey, TWILIGHT ain't that bad.
 
Tranquillity
Tranquillity
On no, I enjoyed Twilight - I just hated BD and I don't think "realistic" is a word that you would necessarily associate with it ;)
Bella and Edward appeal to me in the same way that Buffy and Angel do. Both couples truly love one another and are soul mates. I am a romantic so this appeals to me. They stick by each other through good times and bad (Angelus trying to kill buffy and friends and Edward leaving bella). Both couples see past their vampiric parts due to the fact they love each other unconditionally.
 
I consider it blasphemy to compare Twilight to BtVS. Even while I don't support Bangel, it's infinitely more complex and interesting, and it actually has a strong female in it.
 
brinkster130
brinkster130
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Honestly, I'm a fan of the "Twilight" series, but it's not because of the supernatural element to it. I liked the first book, but I REALLY got interested in "New Moon" when the love triangle between Edward, Bella, and Jacob began. So when I look at the grander scale of things, I don't think "Twilight" and BtVS are alike at all. And that is not knocking "Twilight", 'cause I love the saga, but it is very different from Buffy.
 
I consider it blasphemy to compare Twilight to BtVS. Even while I don't support Bangel, it's infinitely more complex and interesting, and it actually has a strong female in it.

Lol, I get the sentiment. But though I much prefer Buffy I enjoy Twilight as well, and as someone who thinks Buffy is way too boyfriend dependent a lot of the time I can't say I agree about Bella being a "weak" female (except physically of course), she's no push-over.


Other I agree with HisMrs, though there's similarities, I have a hard time comparing Btvs/Twilight because I find them so dissimilar.
 
Tranquillity said:
On no, I enjoyed Twilight - I just hated BD and I don't think "realistic" is a word that you would necessarily associate with it.
Not realistic in the sense that you think. I meant in the way that in real life bad decisions rarely ever impact your life. Not to say that Bella's decision to be with Edward is what I'd consider "bad".
 
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