'Buffy' Reunion: Joss Whedon's Surprising Response to Young Female Fans

Buffy Summers

Yataro
Staff member
Joined
Nov 20, 2001
Messages
35,079
Location
The City of Angels
Sineya
By Lacey Rose

This story first appeared in the May 24 issue of The Hollywood Reporter magazine.

Reassemble the staff of cult favorite Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and the conversation quickly devolves into a barrage of rapid-fire quips. Asked what he learned from his experience in the writers room, for instance, show creator Joss Whedon deadpans, "Do it all yourself."

If Buffy were on the air today, however, he wonders whether network executives would encourage his staff to "make her more passive."

David Fury notes that Buffy, played by Sarah Michelle Gellar, probably would have to be more likable. "We don't like it when the characters are angry with each other and have conflicts," he says, mimicking a network exec.

Between poses, the group -- still close a decade later, though years sometimes pass between reunions -- reflects on the early signs of connecting with the supernatural drama's fans at Comic-Con and on Internet message boards; a British imposter who claimed to be part of a showrunners exchange program and conned them into paying for pricey lunches; and the show's longer-term impact on the writers' collective careers.
Says Drew Z. Greenberg, "Every meeting I go into, Buffy is still the first "¦" -- but before he can complete his thought, Rebecca Sinclair jokingly interjects, ""¦ thing he says."

Douglas Petrie demonstrates the stunned look he gets when encountering female fans of the show, and Whedon reveals the reaction he often receives from a younger demographic. "I've been meeting a lot of beautiful young women who say, 'My mom loved that show,' or, 'I wasn't allowed to watch it because I was too young,'" he says, adding: "I'm like, 'Shut your bitch mouth!' I'm very gracious. Can you put that in italics to show that I'm joking?"


Source: Yahoo
 
Sigh... "More passive"
"Likeable"

I'm sorry but how can a protagonist of a tv-show not be in conflict with others?

Just confirms my suspicion that a Buffy made today would not be for me!
 
Pike
Pike
[No message]
She'd also have to be "sexier" and walk around in her underwear a lot.

Isn't it weird how in TV we've actually managed to go backwards. There is no Buffy equivalent much less the "what comes after Buffy." I can't think of a single show about a teenage girl who has a fraction of the complexity and depth of BTVS.
 
Ethan Reigns
Ethan Reigns
[No message]
Tome
Tome
Buffy was plenty sexy! ;)
S
SlayerOfVampyrs
[No message]
UnderYourSpell
UnderYourSpell
[No message]
Abbeycat
Abbeycat
[No message]
She'd also have to be "sexier" and walk around in her underwear a lot.

Isn't it weird how in TV we've actually managed to go backwards. There is no Buffy equivalent much less the "what comes after Buffy." I can't think of a single show about a teenage girl who has a fraction of the complexity and depth of BTVS.

It's a different genre, but Arya Stark and Daenarys Targaryn are both pretty deep and complex on Game of Thrones. Probably more so than just about every female character on BTVS beyond Buffy herself.

I don't think that T.V. nowadays (or in recent years) is as bleak as this thread is making it out to be. I can list off female characters from several shows that are just as capable, without pure over-sexualization, and deep as the Buffy ones.
 
E
EffieT1
I love daenarys, she's my fave on game of thrones, I hope it goes well for her
S
SlayerOfVampyrs
LOVE Daenarys
It's a different genre, but Arya Stark and Daenarys Targaryn are both pretty deep and complex on Game of Thrones. Probably more so than just about every female character on BTVS beyond Buffy herself.

I don't think that T.V. nowadays (or in recent years) is as bleak as this thread is making it out to be. I can list off female characters from several shows that are just as capable, without pure over-sexualization, and deep as the Buffy ones.

I've only started watching and reading GOT but in the first episode Daenerys spends half of her screen time completely naked or being molested and/objectified by men. In fact there were several women completely naked in that episode but not a single naked man. To me that is gross exploitation. There was nothing in the story to justify Daenerys being naked in the manner in which she was. I agree she is a very strong character (my favourite so far in the books) but she is firstly being framed (and introduced to the TV audience) based on her sex appeal, not her guile or spirit. That's what I'm talking about when I say there aren't shows like Buffy or even the next step after Buffy. While Buffy was always regarded as attractive she was never depicted as a sex object the way young female leads are today.
 
Cheese Slices
Cheese Slices
[No message]
S
SlayerOfVampyrs
[No message]
Strong female characters in modern TV, for starters you've got three in The Good Wife I reckon. Skylar in Breaking Bad, three in Nashville... Who wants to add to the list?
 
Tome
Tome
Lol, Skyler...
I'm not saying there aren't strong, dynamic female characters on TV. That would be ludicrous to claim. BUT, I do think there is a shortage of shows directed at teenagers and/or genre where lead isn't being hyper-sexualised.
 
Taake
Taake
Agreed!
I've only started watching and reading GOT but in the first episode Daenerys spends half of her screen time completely naked or being molested and/objectified by men. In fact there were several women completely naked in that episode but not a single naked man. To me that is gross exploitation. There was nothing in the story to justify Daenerys being naked in the manner in which she was. I agree she is a very strong character (my favourite so far in the books) but she is firstly being framed (and introduced to the TV audience) based on her sex appeal, not her guile or spirit. That's what I'm talking about when I say there aren't shows like Buffy or even the next step after Buffy. While Buffy was always regarded as attractive she was never depicted as a sex object the way young female leads are today.

That's one episode. If you keep watching, Dany becomes one of, if not the, most powerful characters on the show. Her entire S1 arc is about stepping out of the shadow of men and becoming her own unique and unconstrained person. After just a few episodes, that isn't hard to discern. I know you mentioned that you've just begun watching, but if you've seen even three or four episodes you can see that (and believe me, there's just as much male nudity as there is female. That isn't an exaggeration at all).

Also, while Game of Thrones does air on HBO, a private, subscription based network known for an edgier style of programming, it does air in the 8 P.M. timeslot as well.
 
Kean
Kean
Be that as it may, that is still too much unnecessary nudity that I can justify in one episode. Especially when it is in excess of anything in the corresponding point in the book.
I'm not saying there aren't strong, dynamic female characters on TV. That would be ludicrous to claim. BUT, I do think there is a shortage of shows directed at teenagers and/or genre where lead isn't being hyper-sexualised.

Fair point. None of them are teenagers, except maybe Scarlett in Nashville.
 
Fair point. None of them are teenagers, except maybe Scarlett in Nashville.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Buffy was so effective because it was everyone's show. It was about how hard it is to grow up and be a person. Everyone could find themselves in one of (maybe all of) the characters. I just don't see that in contemporary shows directed at the same demographic. Buffy was formative, I'm not sure if there is a show on TV right now that I could say that about.
 
[MENTION=7585]Kean[/MENTION],

Kean agrees: Be that as it may, that is still too much unnecessary nudity that I can justify in one episode. Especially when it is in excess of anything in the corresponding point in the book.

I do understand your point, but...that's a graphic part of the arc. Are they trying to score some cheap titillation points as well? Probably, but it's not the overall goal. The arc revolves around Dany being totally controlled by her brother and other male forces "greater" than her, and then her breaking free of that, despite being physically weaker, and ultimately surpassing them all. It's a little tough to show that without her being weak at the beginning of it. If it isn't to your personal taste as a viewer I get that, but that isn't reflective of the quality of the story. If you (the collective "you", I'm speaking generally here) aren't comfortable with nudity in television, then it isn't going to matter how good or bad the story is.

Plus, pre-judging an entire series based on two or three scenes in one or two episodes isn't fair. I mean, that'd be like me taking "Into the Wild", "Seeing Red" or "Billy", all incredibly sexist and demeaning episodes, as reflections of the entire BTVS and Angel series'.

Anyways,

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Buffy was so effective because it was everyone's show. It was about how hard it is to grow up and be a person. Everyone could find themselves in one of (maybe all of) the characters. I just don't see that in contemporary shows directed at the same demographic. Buffy was formative, I'm not sure if there is a show on TV right now that I could say that about.

Very good post. I can totally get on board with this.

---------- Post added at 02:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:52 PM ----------

Just as an add on (forgot to mention it before), it's also fairly telling that Dany hasn't been naked since that original few episodes...three seasons later.
 
S
SlayerOfVampyrs
[No message]
Taake
Taake
But then neither did she lose her hair in the fire at the end of s1 which might have compromised her role as a "sexy young girl" (don't get me wrong, I love Dany, but her arc isn't all about emancipation and nudity for a reason :))
Back
Top Bottom