Buffy, Sarcasm

goldenboy

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I just had to drop this in here:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Science/Sarcasm-is-highbrow-after-all/2005/05/23/1116700652520.html

Sarcasm, irony was such a huge part of the 'verse and it's one of the main reasons folks love Joss's stuff, I think. You can use sarcasm to mock, put others down. But it's interesting to note the article's reference to "social cognition". Sarcasm can seem cruel, but it's also a way to bond, commiserate with your friends.

I've always loved the wise-ass. When I was a little kid, my heros were Bugs Bunny and Spider-Man (wish they'd show some of his wit in the films). Didn't really care for Micky Mouse and Superman"”such straight arrows. Something about it is tied up with empathy, humanity I think. If life's beating you down and you're still sarcastic, you haven't lost all hope yet. That article's reference to the British having highly refined, subtle sarcasm is true, I suppose. You'd think it's mostly cultural.

I do think America has been producing more and more cynical, sarcastic art since the relatively unironic 60's-70's. (Simpsons, Seinfeld, Buffy, etc...) It's related to cynicism and culture as much as raw intelligence. And it comes and goes. Think of the withering wit of Dorothy Parker, Groucho Marx back in the 20's....Back further there's Ambrose Bierce, Mark Twain.

http://www.cynical.ws/parker.php

Giles and Spike and Wesley seemed to have the most insightful, sophisticated put-downs, quips. But there was plenty of mockery to go around. Lilah was a master. Who was the most sarcastic person in the 'verse, I wonder?
 
I know Anya got off some good ones sometimes like, "Thank you for making time in your busy life to come in here and get in the way of mine".

Dawn used to snap some quick jabs in under her breath like "Genius. Crack a book some time".

My favourite was maybe this flat out insult from Buffy to Harmony -

HARMONY: So, slayer, at last we meet.

BUFFY: We've met, Harmony, you halfwit.

Then there were all those sarcastic cracks about sarcasm like...

The Real Me

HARMONY: All right, once again, nice work, minionators. I'm really, really proud of you guys. (Mort comes in) Ah, Mort. I trust you made our guest ... comfortable?
MORT: (confused) You told me to chain her to a wall.
HARMONY: Yeah, I know, I'm being, you know, sarcastic or whatever? (Mort looks blank)


Never Kill a Boy on the First Date

Giles: "I'll just jump in my time machine, go back to the twelfth century, and ask
the vampires to postpone their ancient prophecy for a few days while you take
in dinner and a show."
Buffy: "Okay, at this point you're abusing sarcasm."

When She Was Bad

Xander: "Oh, hey, did you guys hear that Cibo Matto's gonna' be at the Bronze tonight?"
Willow: "Cibo Matto? They're playing?"
Xander: "No, Willow, they're gonna' be clog dancing."
Willow: "Cibo Matto can clog dance?! Oh, sarcasm, right."

Pangs

Buffy: "Sarcasm accomplishes nothing, Giles."
Giles: "It's sort of an end in itself."

The Freshman

Stoner Vamp: Uh, are we gonna fight, or is there just gonna be a monster sarcasm rally?

Faith Hope and Trick

Cordelia: What is it with you and Slayers? Maybe I should dress up as one and put a stake to your throat.
Xander: Please, God, don't let that be sarcasm.
 
goldenboy said:
Giles and Spike and Wesley seemed to have the most insightful, sophisticated put-downs, quips.

Interesting that you feel the three most "insightful, sophisticated put-downs, quips" belong to English characters. Think Joss Whedon feels the English are more bitter and mocking?
 
Xander, is that just a stereotype about British culture, humor? Not sure. Brits just have such a long, sophisticated literary tradition"”seems like so much of the transcendant, time-tested British art is literary, linguistic in nature. I'm not sure British folk are particularly, uniquely cynical.

And with Italy for example, I think of Renaissance painting, sculpture before anything else. I just love to generalize....

Actually, cynical high-school Cordelia was one of my faves as well.
 
Cordelia for me was the best, but i love her so my view is kind of bias. Anyway sarcasm, I know some people argue its the lowest form of wit but I love it, I mean some of the best characters from some of the best TV shows are the best due to their use of sarcasm and irony i.e. chandler from friends, Seth Cohen from the o.c. etc.
 
goldenboy said:
Xander, is that just a stereotype about British culture, humor? Not sure. Brits just have such a long, sophisticated literary tradition—seems like so much of the transcendant, time-tested British art is literary, linguistic in nature. I'm not sure British folk are particularly, uniquely cynical.

Not saying it was any stereotype I believed, just found it interesting you picked out three English characters and wondered if Joss found the English to be more sarcy when he stayed here.
 
OK, gotcha Xander.

Here's an interesting piece....



"How did we get so cynical?

By Jonathan Duffy
BBC News Online Magazine

Cynicism seems to have become the defining attitude of our time. This week the BBC News Online Magazine is asking where it comes from, who's damaged by it, and what next for a cynical society? First though - what made us into the cynical people we have become?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3491925.stm


"”I think these British trends mirror what's been happening in the States since the early 70's. Increasing fear, distrust of government, institutions of all types. Cynicism went away for awhile in the US right after 9/11, but it's back now.




And perhaps somewhat related...

Western Europeans 'World's most pessimistic people' 18.11.2004 - 17:34 CET | By Richard Carter

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - People from Western Europe are more pessimistic about the future than in any other region in the World, a new survey has shown.

A global survey of 50,000 people in over 60 countries by the World Economic Forum shows that a majority of Europeans (55 percent) believes that the next generation will live in a less safe world.

Although this percentage has declined since last year, Europeans are still ahead of their closest competitors in the pessimism stakes, people from the Middle East and Asia Pacific.

Amongst Europeans, Germans are the most pessimistic, with 63 percent believing that the next generation will live in a less safe world.

Political failings
Despite this pessimism, Europeans are the most tolerant of politicians' failings.

The report says, "Overall, Western Europe is more tolerant of their politicians than some other regions".

In this respect, Europeans bucked the global trend, as politicians were roundly criticised for their failings in other parts of the world.

However, Polish people were sharply critical of politicans' dishonesty, with 90 percent complaining that their leaders are dishonest.

At the other end of the scale, only 12 percent of Dutch people felt their politicians were dishonest.

http://www.perspectives.com/forums/forum71/20371.html
 
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