Kana
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I don't agree with Angel skulking in the shadows behind Buffy's back but anyway to repeat what I said in another thread on the topic.
I tell you what's interesting about this situation: it's symptomatic of Buffy quitting the WC. I'm not suggesting that in itself was a ill-advised move because as Giles and later Buffy pointed out, she is the one in the thick of it. However, there is now no overriding authority on such issues (although one may argue there was never one to begin with).
This was to do with the whole "What to do with Faith" question. Basically Buffy had no more authority to deal with Faith than Angel and vice versa.
And I go on to talk about this at length.
Buffy wanted revenge on Faith but also believed that Faith should be punished. I'll take punishment by prison out of the equation because I agree with Wes and Angel that holding a Slayer in prison against her will is pretty dumb, I'm still not even sure why Buffy suggested it, (perhaps her anger was chipping away at her IQ points). So the only option left that Buffy was willing to adhere to was 'Slayer law'. In other words Buffy would get the final say as to what happens to Faith. After everything that Faith did to her, she feels she has a right to make that call.
Again, I can understand both Buffy's mistrust, but I'm still at a lost as to what she was going to do. Did she want her dead? Well considering she protected Faith from the Watcher's Council, we perhaps can rule that out. As I've said the jail idea was just dumb if Faith didn't want to go to jail, even Wes who lest we forget was tortured by Faith agreed with that. So what exactly was she proposing to do?
Angel doesn't think Faith should simply get away with what happened. If she were totally soulless or sociopathic, this may be different but he believed that Faith did feel remorse for her actions and therefore, simply living with it is punishment in itself. He also thinks Buffy intervention will have a detrimental effect on Faith's redemption.
This is one of the reasons I hardly fault Angel in this ep. Let's put it this way, would it have been right for Angel to step aside and let Buffy intervene and risk Faith falling back into darkness? Well in terms of authority it's a grey area but I don't fault Angel for believing in his mission and himself.
The saving grace happens in The Yoko Factor when Angel apologizes for what happened in LA. At first I though "Why does Angel have to apologize?" but then I looked at it from Angel's perspective. It wasn't simply about being right but mending the fractures in the relationship. Buffy also apologized for making judgements about Angel was trying to do. This doesn't magic away the issues between Faith and Buffy (as we see) nor does completely define the lines of authority among the good and plenties. What it does do is instigate the foundatioms of a situation where Champions can coexist and cooperate without being too detrimental to each others mission statement. This is more likely to happen when Angel and Buffy at not fighting each other as champions or ex-lovers.
I think this is the exclamation point. In any respect Buffy was angry but again, what would have been the right thing to do? From a personal perspective Buffy needed to calm down. She shouldn't forget she wasn't the only person who was affected by Faith (remember Angel was poisoned by her and had his friends hurt by her.)
I tell you what's interesting about this situation: it's symptomatic of Buffy quitting the WC. I'm not suggesting that in itself was a ill-advised move because as Giles and later Buffy pointed out, she is the one in the thick of it. However, there is now no overriding authority on such issues (although one may argue there was never one to begin with).
This was to do with the whole "What to do with Faith" question. Basically Buffy had no more authority to deal with Faith than Angel and vice versa.
And I go on to talk about this at length.
Buffy wanted revenge on Faith but also believed that Faith should be punished. I'll take punishment by prison out of the equation because I agree with Wes and Angel that holding a Slayer in prison against her will is pretty dumb, I'm still not even sure why Buffy suggested it, (perhaps her anger was chipping away at her IQ points). So the only option left that Buffy was willing to adhere to was 'Slayer law'. In other words Buffy would get the final say as to what happens to Faith. After everything that Faith did to her, she feels she has a right to make that call.
Again, I can understand both Buffy's mistrust, but I'm still at a lost as to what she was going to do. Did she want her dead? Well considering she protected Faith from the Watcher's Council, we perhaps can rule that out. As I've said the jail idea was just dumb if Faith didn't want to go to jail, even Wes who lest we forget was tortured by Faith agreed with that. So what exactly was she proposing to do?
Angel doesn't think Faith should simply get away with what happened. If she were totally soulless or sociopathic, this may be different but he believed that Faith did feel remorse for her actions and therefore, simply living with it is punishment in itself. He also thinks Buffy intervention will have a detrimental effect on Faith's redemption.
This is one of the reasons I hardly fault Angel in this ep. Let's put it this way, would it have been right for Angel to step aside and let Buffy intervene and risk Faith falling back into darkness? Well in terms of authority it's a grey area but I don't fault Angel for believing in his mission and himself.
The saving grace happens in The Yoko Factor when Angel apologizes for what happened in LA. At first I though "Why does Angel have to apologize?" but then I looked at it from Angel's perspective. It wasn't simply about being right but mending the fractures in the relationship. Buffy also apologized for making judgements about Angel was trying to do. This doesn't magic away the issues between Faith and Buffy (as we see) nor does completely define the lines of authority among the good and plenties. What it does do is instigate the foundatioms of a situation where Champions can coexist and cooperate without being too detrimental to each others mission statement. This is more likely to happen when Angel and Buffy at not fighting each other as champions or ex-lovers.
I think this is the exclamation point. In any respect Buffy was angry but again, what would have been the right thing to do? From a personal perspective Buffy needed to calm down. She shouldn't forget she wasn't the only person who was affected by Faith (remember Angel was poisoned by her and had his friends hurt by her.)