Buffy's a B*t*h!

[Spuffy is true love]

So I just got done watching Sanctuary and at the end with the whole "get outta my town" thing that Angel says, first off completely inline Buffy had no right to go in there thinking she knows everything. But what she said after that.........O MAN! She picked the one thing that she knew would absolutely KILL Angel, "I have someone in my life now" and then brings up Riley??? Come on! That I feel is one of the lowest points in the Buffy charecter. Does anyone else agree with me? I mean she didn't do that to make a point, she didn't do it to help anyone, she just did it b/c she knew it would piss Angel off and hurt him and that's what she wanted to do b/c he did something she didn't agree with in helping Faith......grrrrr (arg)

 

[Joyce Summers]

Yes, she said it to hurt Angel but that's because Angel had just hurt her. His whole attitude in general to her presence was very hurtful as though he no longer wanted her around or wanted to see her, she retalliated, perhaps a little childishly with a 'yeah, well I don't care about you either coz guess what?'.

She wasn't being spiteful, she was just hurt herself and trying to cover it up by giving as good as she got. And then of course we see in The Yoko Factor that both weren't happy with that conversation, that they said things they didn't mean and that they didn't mean to be so hurtful. Just like in an ex case scenario really where you still at least partially like the ex, haha.

 

[Spuffy is true love]

don't you think that maybe part of that anger had to do with Angel remembering that one perfect day he had with Buffy while she had no recollection of it at all? I mean they agreed to stay apart, so she shouldn't have come to LA. Yeah maybe his life was in danger but Angel's a big vampire, he can take care of himself. Plus the whole reason she showed up was because of Faith, it had very little to do with Angel.

 

[VisionGuy]

What I find funny is that Buffy yelled at Angel in "I Will Remember You" for trying to protect her. Then she turns around and tried to protect him from Faith in "Sanctuary" expecting him to just go along with it.

 

[T.I.P]

Im watching season 1 just now(war zone) and Buffy was in the wrong,
she just turns up expecting Angel to act how she wants him to act, You dont see angel going to sunnydale to stick his nose in(at least is Pangs he had the common sense to not be seen)
Angel was trying to get over Buffy and she shows up trying to be bossy talking about Reilly. She is Lucky Angel was mature enough to go to Sunnydale and patch things up.
Of course though, Buffy obviously still loved Angel more than Reilly at this point. so i cant cut her some slack.

 

[apocalypse]

I think a large part of Buffy's character is arrogance, so I wasn't particularly surprised by her outrageous bitchiness.
And, she was being a huge bitch.

 

[Jess]

I think a large part of Buffy's character is arrogance, so I wasn't particularly surprised by her outrageous bitchiness.
And, she was being a huge bitch.

ah I must agree D: I really hate the end of Sanctuary when she acts like that. I was so happy when Angel yelled at her haha.

 

[Tueuse de Vampires]

Honestly, I can understand Buffy's reaction. Maybe it was a mean thing to say, but that's the way people act when they fight. Plus, it's not like Angel was completely nice and understanding to her with all his 'Get out of my town'. And also let's not forget this whole fight originally started because of Faith, and well, Faith was always a weak spot for Buffy.

 

[Angel's vision]

Angel hurts whenever he see's Buffy and it reminds him of what he can't have, plus his memories of being with her as a human don't help. Then Faith shows up and he see's an opening for her to change, he steps in. Buffy comes along and ok everyone knows how she tried to mess up Buffy's life, big time, she then starts letting petty jealousy get in the way of sound jugement, when she see's Faith being comforted by Angel. Infact I would say it was a small gripe,cos the real gripe was her seeing Faith getting help and she got angry that she wasn't seeing Angel either pound her into bits or at least get angry and have ago at her, and give her the treatment Buffy felt she deserves. So they fight. Angel wasn't going to say Buffy I understand your pissed off, and give her the sympathy vote, because 1) She wasn't going to listen.
2) She was telling him what to do.
Angel didn't see vengeance as the answer and he tried to explain this to Buffy, it would of helped her see it from a different perspective, and maybe she could come to terms with her feelings for Faith, which I no doubt see Angel wanting this to happen.

But no, so Buffy like I said, knows seeing her hurts him like he said to her. Which might explain why he was barking at her the way he did. She takes advantage of this and hurts him back, with her "I have a new boyfriend and new life" because he didn't act the way she wanted him to act. Both were not willing to listen and when Angel tried to explain not only to Buffy but to his team they block their ears and yap their bit over him so he gets to half of what he was trying to say, I know Angel can't communicate well at times, but this time when he was or rather clumsilly trying to, Buffy especially blocks any efforts he tries to make.

She was understandibly annoyed at Faith but didn't know when to stop and see the bigger picture.

 

[LorneyTunes]

Huh

Well i guess on Angel you have to make Angel the Better Hero plus he has a few hundreds years on our Buffy, shes just Bitter Angel did kinda just leave sunnydale and Buffy so yeah shes Totally bitter cause shes not with him and hes spending Quaulity time with Faith and not her x

 

[Five]

She was a total bitca. I just saw that episode again, and now that I have all the facts (last time I had just watched it without seeing the previous Angel eps), I must say I'm highly disappointed in Buffy, me who usually just loves her. I think her whole appearance was totally out of character, she wasn't understanding, she wasn't caring, plus she was a bit dumb. I understand that she was angry with Angel, because she was hurt to see him hug Faith after what she had just done to Riley... But the two moments where she was totally out of line imo were :
1/ hitting Angel, getting hit back and yelling at him for hitting her : she has the right to if she wants to protect her opinions, but he hasn't if he wants to protect his !
2/ I can deal with the "I have someone in my life now that I love" thing; but I'm not okay with it when she says that she trusts Riley and didn't use to trust Angel. That's just so wrong and incorrect. Bitca.

 

[caitaintdead]

What is wrong with you people? Ok so I do understand that people seem to actually like Faith, which to me doesn't make a grain of sense. Faith is the nasty person, she may be a lost girl, but Faiths actions, if anyones, were beyond being a slight b*tch. Buffy was fantastic to Faith, had her over for dinners, talked to her, made time for her and if Faith hadn't of been so horrible to Buffy, Buffy would have looked out for Faith and taken care of her.
Faith stomped all over Buffy's hospitality and kindness. Faith succeeded in sleeping with one of Buffy's boyfriends, and tried very hard to sleep with the other one, and then tried to kill him. Along with trying to kill everyone that means something to Buffy. If I was Buffy I would be furious. Beyond furious. Or I suppose if my best friend acted in this way, even just sleeping with my boyfriend would be enough for me to want to kill her!
I don't mean to offend people that can see something 'nice' about Faith, but I don't understand where any of you are coming from.

 

[caitaintdead]

eunsoma can I ask why you like her without sounding like I'm starting an argument? I just don't get it. I really would like to understand cause I must be the only person that doesn't seem to like her.
I really don't want to sound like a b*tch myself, it's not my intention, but I just don't get why people like her. She's pretty horrible most of the time.

 

[T.I.P]

Eunsoma??? they aint left a message

 

[Lindsey McDonald]

Yes, Faith was horrible to Buffy, and yes, she did some terrible things, but Buffy needs to be able to suck it up and get over it. She is the slayer: she needs to see the big picture. Angel was always seeing the big picture, and Buffy always knew that he would try to help her. It's just that Buffy has always been jealous of Faith, and that severely clouds her judgement. I mean, Willow tried to kill her sister, but because they were friends, Buffy didn't consider killing her. It's the same with Anya, she goes all demony again and because Buffy doesn't like her as much, she grabs the sword.

Buffy always holds people to a double standard, and her jealousy of Faith leads to her refusing to listen to Angel. She has every right to be angry when she walked in, but hitting him, then being surprised when he hit back? She had no right. If she refuses to set aside her petty jealousies and see the situation as it is, Angel is perfectly justified in shouting at her. The situation was far too dangerous for Buffy to be blundering her way through with all her emotional baggage. Faith, a renegade slayer, was on the brink of redemption, and Buffy refuses to see it. She knows that the world is not black and white, but for her at that moment it was all green. It's understandible, but she was still very much in the wrong.

I also want to point out that although I don't like what she said, I like that she said it. It was a good episode. And I like Faith too. Mainly because you always knew that she really, deep down, craved to be good, and to be like Buffy. She was jealous too, but she got over it. Well, quicker than Buffy anyway.

 

[Washburne]

People like Faith becasuse her character is interesting. She´s behaved very very bad, but at the same time we feel her pain and that gives her our sympathy. And then she´s showing improvement we´ve an easier time accepting that considering her background. We know how hard a time she´s had. She needs support.

Buffy on the other hand has always been the good one, making the right choices (well, most of the times anyway). No one says her life has been easy, it hasn´t. But since she mostly seem to cope with it quite well (in comparision to Faith) we hold her to a higher standard than Faith. So then she isn´t on top it´s easier to complain about it.

If Faith is having a bad moment it´s more like a normal day, but if it´s Buffy we react much more. Yeah, Buffy was kind of bitchy in "Sanctuary", and even if it´s understandable we go crazy as we feel it´s out of character.

I like Faith more than Buffy, but if I´d to choose one to be friends with I would choose Buffy 9 out of 10 times. Characters in a show is a whole other thing.

 

[Spuffy is true love]

What is wrong with you people? Ok so I do understand that people seem to actually like Faith, which to me doesn't make a grain of sense. Faith is the nasty person, she may be a lost girl, but Faiths actions, if anyones, were beyond being a slight b*tch.

OK WTF??? Faith was a fantastic character that most people seem to enjoy. She represented the dark side of the slayer and every slayer has a dark side. If you recall in Buffy S7, the slayer is actually possessed by a demon. She may have been a bitch on more than a few occassions but Buffy and Angel are all about Forgiveness. The entire series of Angel is based on that, Angel is trying to earn forgiveness and atone for what he has done in his past. Faith was trying to do the same thing and Buffy got in the way.

Buffy was fantastic to Faith, had her over for dinners, talked to her, made time for her and if Faith hadn't of been so horrible to Buffy, Buffy would have looked out for Faith and taken care of her. Faith stomped all over Buffy's hospitality and kindness. Faith succeeded in sleeping with one of Buffy's boyfriends, and tried very hard to sleep with the other one, and then tried to kill him. Along with trying to kill everyone that means something to Buffy.

Xander did this many times throughout Buffy. The end of Season 2, the Begining of Season 3. Xander stomped all over Buffy's hospitality and kindness and duties and choices but no one gets pissed off at him for it. Buffy pulled the power card in this situation in Angel. She said I am the slayer I make the laws and whoever stands in my way is gonna get it. This is totally uncharecteristic of Buffy b/c she was acting out of emotion b/c of the aforementioned things. Even acting out of emotion can cause you to be a bitch sometimes.

If I was Buffy I would be furious. Beyond furious. Or I suppose if my best friend acted in this way, even just sleeping with my boyfriend would be enough for me to want to kill her!
I don't mean to offend people that can see something 'nice' about Faith, but I don't understand where any of you are coming from.

Who wouldn't be furious if someone just slept with your boyfriend. But you didn't see Xander go all "Unforgiven" on Buffy when Spike slept with Anya. Just because Faith made some mistakes doesn't mean that she is evil forever and she is able to change. That is one of the bottom lines in Buffy, anyone can Change. Angel, Spike, Xander, Willow, Giles, even Quentin from the Watcher's Council changed. You can't hold what someone has done in the past against them to prevent them from changing. Faith admitted what she had done and took responsibility for it, that is to be commended.

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Xander did this many times throughout Buffy. The end of Season 2, the Begining of Season 3. Xander stomped all over Buffy's hospitality and kindness and duties and choices but no one gets pissed off at him for it.

Don't read many of these forums, do you? Xander catches nearly as much grief as Buffy for his actions.

Buffy pulled the power card in this situation in Angel. She said I am the slayer I make the laws and whoever stands in my way is gonna get it. This is totally uncharecteristic of Buffy b/c she was acting out of emotion b/c of the aforementioned things. Even acting out of emotion can cause you to be a bitch sometimes.

I still fail to see why that's a bigger deal than being a bitch just, y'know, 'cause someone wanna be. It never ceases to amaze me how many people will make excuses for nearly every character on the show who chose to do the wrong thing, and at the same time give the others hell for behaving badly while under tremendous emotional stress - something that's a completely human thing to do.

 

[Lindsey McDonald]

Rowan Hawthorn disagrees: Buffy jealous of Faith? Were we watching the same show?

Buffy has always been jealous of Faith. Faith gets to play the wild girl life whilst Buffy is stuck in her good girl, responsible slayer shoes. Also, there's the whole sex thing; Faith is able to act on impulse and can have anyone, Buffy can't seem to get anyone to stick around. Faith even manages to sleep with Riley, and Buffy thinks she and Angel are far to close when she storms in. She's incredibly jealous. She knows what a crappy life Faith has, but it doesn't stop her from being jealous - the same goes for Faith regarding Buffy.

Then again, if you can't see that Buffy was jealous of Faith throughout, maybe you were watching a different show.

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Buffy has always been jealous of Faith. Faith gets to play the wild girl life whilst Buffy is stuck in her good girl, responsible slayer shoes. Also, there's the whole sex thing; Faith is able to act on impulse and can have anyone, Buffy can't seem to get anyone to stick around. Faith even manages to sleep with Riley, and Buffy thinks she and Angel are far to close when she storms in. She's incredibly jealous. She knows what a crappy life Faith has, but it doesn't stop her from being jealous - the same goes for Faith regarding Buffy.

Then again, if you can't see that Buffy was jealous of Faith throughout, maybe you were watching a different show.

I saw Buffy being resentful of Faith, and I don't see where anyone can rationally blame her for that, or why Faith gets a pass for much worse behavior towards Buffy than anything Buffy gave her in return until pushed past the limits. Faith basically walked in and tried to take or destroy everything in Buffy's life. Don't get me wrong: I liked Faith as a character, because of the conflict and drama she brought to the show. But Faith, the character is a different matter. All I can say is, in Buffy's place, I'd have put a piece of steel in her way before "Graduation Day"...