Buffy's a B*t*h!

[andrewcutter]

idk, but buffy has always seemed like a bitch to men. Every season in almost every way. LIke i know this is off topic a bit but i hate how she treats faith all the time. Ok i understand faith hurt buffy but she has proved herself time and time again and the second buffy see a chance of faith going bad she attack, kindda like season 8 when she teleported and didnt even knew the story with faith working with giles. she didnt even give her the chance to say anything.

back on topic: at the end of the episode buffy just trying to assert her leadership in the bitchest way she can however angel is inchanrged in LA not buffy. That and they are two ex's going at it.

Like i said in the end buffy is just a bitch

 

[caitaintdead]

Are people jealous of Buffy? I don't understand why people think she's being a b*tch all the time.

 

[Angel's vision]

I wouldn't say Buffy was being a B*T*H, I would say she was reacting to her feelings at seeing Faith in blood and Angel comforting her, In her opinion and view point, Faith could easilly be duping him, and after what she put her through, she may aswell be repeating her M.O. In Buffy's mind. Never mind that she saw traces of Faith express discust at herself by yelling at Buffy in the Buffy ep leading up to this "Your discusting!" Buffy may have seen some incling she was scewed up, but her feelings regarding her stealing her body cloud judgement, I don't know what I would do if someone stole my body.
So after her little fight with Angel and Faith trying to appolgise she doesn't want to hear it, that Faith is trying to change, even after Angel says "We were attacked" and "She is at a crucial stage" She doesn't want to listen, my own personal opinion is when Buffy accuses Angel of falling for her "act" she is insulting his intellegence in discerning the situation, Buffy wanted vengeance and Angel was worried that was the last thing that was appropriette for Faith, Buffy doesn't know anything about turning around and changing, seeing people want to change, as far as she is concerned the world regarding this is black and white, you do wrong you get punished wether you want to change or not, or take the wrap or not, Angel is seeing grey areas, he has lived longer than Buffy, and can read people I would imagine better then her, cos he is over 200 years old, and could tell if people were lying pretty well. So Buffy was listening to her feelings and viewpoint rather than try thinking rationally, which was understandable to START WITH, my problem is afterwards when it is APPARENT Faith is trying to attone that I do not like,that Buffy wasn't allowing her to, as far as she was concerned Faith didn't deserve it, Angel has stated that you can't pick and choose who to save and who not to, you just save them if they want it.

 

[Exitmat]

So I just got done watching Sanctuary and at the end with the whole "get outta my town" thing that Angel says, first off completely inline Buffy had no right to go in there thinking she knows everything. But what she said after that.........O MAN! She picked the one thing that she knew would absolutely KILL Angel, "I have someone in my life now" and then brings up Riley??? Come on! That I feel is one of the lowest points in the Buffy charecter. Does anyone else agree with me? I mean she didn't do that to make a point, she didn't do it to help anyone, she just did it b/c she knew it would piss Angel off and hurt him and that's what she wanted to do b/c he did something she didn't agree with in helping Faith......grrrrr (arg)

I agree Angel was more in the right than Buffy was. But I still like the way Buffy was written in the episode, and I think it made sense.

For one, it's Angel's show, so it made sense to have the fans empathasize more with Angel in the Buffy/Angel debate over Faith. Also, Joss's shows tend to keep characters pretty much in the gray area, morality-wise. Showing that side of Buffy was easier to do on Angel's show than it was on Buffy's. Also, having her step into a quasi-villain role made her both more interesting as a character, as well as easier to understand why we never see her again in the series (i.e. why they broke up and kept it that way). It also showed us Angel's suffering over Buffy, rather than just having a character talk about it.

I think overall it was a great way to give Angel fans a glimpse into the Angel/Buffy relationship, and how/why Angel's relationship with Buffy has caused him so much pain. It also made for a great AngelBuffy moment on Angel's show--not something we got a lot of over the course of the series.

 

[caitaintdead]

"Randy Giles disagrees: I hate giving negative rep but I strongly disagree. Buffy's still a bitch, and you can't say Faith is a horrible person because she's had such a hard life it's pretty much made her insane. And there IS good inside her."

Ok, so I'm generally a pretty easy to get along with person. I don't want to get into fights on the Buffy-Boards. I'm not here to get into arguments, I'm here to share a mutual love for the show. This is why I chose to leave this discussion once it turned into an argument that I honestly just don't have the time or effort to keep up with.
On the other hand, I do feel a need to stick up for myself when people are leaving negative feedback on my posts talking about things they don't know anything about. I'm sorry to sound like I'm getting personal here, but you really know nothing about me or the life I've lead. My problem with Faith has always been focused around this instant blame of her problems on her having such a rough life.
How can Faith blame everything that she has done wrong on what has happened to her? That is absolutely ludicrous. You have no idea who anyone on these boards are, least of all me, and I don't appreciate you assuming that I don't know what it is like to have gone through terribly hard times.

 

[Buffanator]

Hmmmm.

Yeah, Buffy's a bitch a good deal of the time, but I conclude it's because she HAS to be, being The Slayer & all. Like FAITH couldn't be quite the bitch when she felt like it, eh?

I figure during IWRY, Buffy was just about to start her period. Who knows? :lmao:

But I think Angel handled it all very well. He was in LA trying to *help the helpless*; it was a very different gig than sidekicking for Buffy in Sunny-D. He had a very specific point in that Faith was on the edge & Buffy's being there could push her completely off the wrong end.

:thought: Come to think of it, I think that's what almost happened. I think Faith was considering getting the hell outta dodge ...When she went to the roof... before the bad guys flew in on the helicopter... before Buffy went up to the roof... perhaps Faith was considering just blowing town ... again. But it was the next few minutes - the fight with Buffy, then the fight against the bad guys - maybe that's when she finally decided not to run anymore. So it was just Faith's inner strength & Angel's belief in her that she COULD be good that brought her back & forced her to face what she'd done. Buffy's bitchiness is understandable from the BtVS point of view. But from the Ats point of view, she was simply just that: BITCHY. Heh. "Bitchy Buffy". :whistle:

 

[Lindsey McDonald]

Well, obviously Faith's extraordinarily hard life was a catylist for her behaviour, but I agree that she is ultimately responsible for her actions. One could feasibly explain away her general attitude, but she was fully aware that the things she was doing were wrong. Just as Buffy's emotional response can feasibly explain away her initial reaction, but can't justify her spiteful remarks at the end. To say Faith's choices were completely outwith her control, however, is ludicrous.

Now, this is sort of (well, completely) off topic, but I've been wondering: is the word "bitch" considered really bad in the US? It's just the way that people seem somewhat more unwilling to say it in this topic than people would over here.

 

[T.I.P]

Faith has always had a tough life with no love, then Buffy rejected her and she understandably was
deprssed and pissed off. She just gave up caring, thats what happens. There is no right or wrong.

Ive noticed the Bitch thing too, like in this thread title, theres stars instead of i and c, like you may as
well just write the word, its kinda obvious anyway. In fact, we can use any language we want on here, cant we?

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

...of course, I "gave up" and decided to go back to vocational school at 32 and I've been a professional programmer for the last 20 years. I've been treated for depression several times, I'm pissed off about something pretty much all the time, and I don't much give a damn about society's rules. But I don't stab my friends in the back, I don't steal from anyone who hasn't cheated or stolen from me first, and if I kill somebody, it'll be because they give me a reason, not to get a little attention or because somebody paid me to do it...

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

...of course, I "gave up" and decided to go back to vocational school at 32 and I've been a professional programmer for the last 20 years. I've been treated for depression several times, I'm pissed off about something pretty much all the time, and I don't much give a damn about society's rules. But I don't stab my friends in the back, I don't steal from anyone who hasn't cheated or stolen from me first, and if I kill somebody, it'll be because they give me a reason, not to get a little attention or because somebody paid me to do it...

Five by Five agrees: Heh, ^ that really sounds like you're saying it must have been tough for him not to kill anyone!

Well, I have to admit, there are days when it requires a lot of effort!

 

[angeldork]

Plain and simple Buffy was upset cause Angel wasn't gonna do things her way. I think from the start she had to of known that in some way Angel was gonna do what he thought was best. But Angel was dead on in what her told Buffy. That they don't live in each others worlds any more, that she had no right to start demanding how things should be handled, more specifically the whole Faith situation. But there was definitely a moment there were Buffy was crossing the line in hopes of hurting Angel. Angel was completely justified in telling her everything that he had said. Buffy is more so someone who needs to be control who likes being in control.

 

[Karol]

I think a large part of Buffy's character is arrogance, so I wasn't particularly surprised by her outrageous bitchiness.
And, she was being a huge bitch.

agreeeed :nods:

in my opinion Buffy is selfish, arrogant and dont stop cryin´ of everything... lol a really pain in the ass. I love the show, but the character never surprise me with stupid lines like those. xD

 

[InsaneMystic]

Hmm it seems unfair to reduce Buffy to that (as in calling it "a large part" of her character), but I can't help but agree that she definitely is no stranger to arrogance, it's a trait that pops up every once in a while... like, indeed, in this episode.

 

[Primal Slayer]

agreeeed :nods:

in my opinion Buffy is selfish, arrogant and dont stop cryin´ of everything... lol a really pain in the ass. I love the show, but the character never surprise me with stupid lines like those. xD

lol you remind me of Cordelia right now...

 

[caritas08]

If I had to pick a side I would choose Angel's but Buffy's anger was completely understandable. If you watch the This Year's Girl,Who Are You/Five by Five, Sanctuary crossover back to back it's pretty horrible what Faith tried to do to Buffy (one could argue even worse than what she did to Wes). If Faith had hurt Conner or Darla or somebody Angel loved he might not be so willing to forgive her and give her a second chance. Yes Buffy was out of line, and the Riley comment was below the belt, but we cut slack to so many other characters Angel, Faith ect, that I don't see why people are unforgiving of Buffy for this particular time she was acting out of unfairly.

 

[lemst6]

Personally, I never liked the whole thing between Buffy and Angel and this is why. Buffy is selfish when it comes to Angel. She doesn't think about his feelings about anything and she acts spoiled, like Angel should give up everything for her. I like Angel because he thinks about the better well being of the world and takes the whole picture into play. (Unless we're talking about Darla) Buffy isn't a champion in my opinion like Angel is. She's self centered and the only reason she does things, is because she has to, because she's chosen. Angel does things, because he understands the bigger picture. And that scene where she says that to him about Riley, is just another one of Buffy's selfish acts to make her feel better about herself.

 

[MSchett]

Personally, I never liked the whole thing between Buffy and Angel and this is why. Buffy is selfish when it comes to Angel. She doesn't think about his feelings about anything and she acts spoiled, like Angel should give up everything for her. I like Angel because he thinks about the better well being of the world and takes the whole picture into play. (Unless we're talking about Darla) Buffy isn't a champion in my opinion like Angel is. She's self centered and the only reason she does things, is because she has to, because she's chosen. Angel does things, because he understands the bigger picture. And that scene where she says that to him about Riley, is just another one of Buffy's selfish acts to make her feel better about herself.

First of all Buffy can be selfish but dont say she isn't a champion she sent her true love to hell to save the world
Secondly what i think Buffy is really feeling right now is jealousy she saw him with Faith and it made her jealous obviously she wasnt over Angel by then...

Bottom line is jealousy makes people do terrible things.