Buffyverse acting: craft vs. gift

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I'm sure this thread is actually a very over-fished pond. But I'll load my hook, cast it out and see who bites.

I think the acting ability on Buffy/Angel ranged quite a bit. I think my favorite actor on the shows was Alyson Hannigan. Now, does this relate to the character she's playing? Her own personality? Her craft, her training? Or just some innate gift, unique to Alyson?

I love Willow. Great character. I can't tell for sure, but I suspect Alyson is fairly similar to Willow in certain respects: slightly goofy, nerdish, halting speech patterns to a degree. Of course it's all greatly exaggerated, but I suspect Alyson may actually have less of a challenge than some other actors in that regard.

I think Alyson may be the most gifted in terms of her ability to emote convincingly. That's a gift, it seems to me. To cry, laugh spontaneously and have it seem utterly real. Does she have some deep empathy that other human beings don't? Actually "feels" the lines she's speaking? Don't know. Can you train yourself to emote that naturalistically?

Some people are actors. They're great character actors, can play a very wide range of personalities well. Others are "stars". They may or may not be good actors, but it doesn't really matter because you like them: Julia Roberts, Tom Cruise, etc. I think Alyson has qualities of a great character actor and also a star. She plays lovable Willow, seems like an extension of herself. Yet, look at Vamp Willow and Dark Willow. Also brilliant, and one would assume, out of charactor for Alyson.

You could take the ingredients of my formula and apply them to any actor in Buffyland. I think one test is to look at the actor interviews in the featurettes. How different does the actor speaking seem from the character they portray? James Marsters, very different, it seems to me, Juliet Landau (the great Landau genes shining through). Also Amy Acker. Still the slight Texas drawl, yet different than Fred. And of course we all witnessed her brilliance with Illyria. Obviously, radically different than Amy and Fred.

Another test of acting chops: accents. Is it craft or innate gift? Don't know. James Marsters, pretty bad, yes? but he makes up for it with charisma and general acting skill. David Boreanaz? Atrocious! Horrible Irish accent that became almost a running gag by season 4. But I like how David grew into the role of Angel very much. Juliet Landau? Seems really good to me. But I'm a Yank. What do you Brits think? What's the region, the class being attempted there? And Alexis Denisoff is a special case, right? A Yank who spent so much time in England that now his American accent sounds atrocious.

Thoughts?
 
Xin Rong
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Well, I definitely agree with you about Alyson Hannigan, she is an amazing actress, but it has probably got a lot to do with the fact that Willow is such an amazing character that she happens to play extremely well. But I don't know if that's got much to do with Alyson being like Willow. I know that Iyari Limon said about Alyson that she had never met anyone who was so completely different from her character she played, but still new the character so well... or something like that.

I also think Sarah was very very good when she had the chance to show it, like in The Body.. (Well, she's not too good with the laughing of course but.. well yeah..)

I don't know much about the accents, the only one that made me feel really really bad was David's "irish" one, uh.. even I understood how incredibly wrong that was lol..
 
That's interesting. Didn't know that about Alyson. Now I have even greater respect!
 
Wow.... too much thinking for saturday morning.

Hmm.

Well, I've always just assumed that the actors that can make you feel 'goosebumps' while acting are the good ones. They can portray a part in some way that really touches you on some level. Also, I think that if the actor plays their role so greatly, and they are sort of 'typecasted' in that role, that shows something, because the actor sort of became one with the character. For example, Sarah is one with Buffy. She played that role to a T.

But then, I think, are these actors really that brilliant? The writers write the script that the actors memorize and speak while being videotaped. I think the barrier is here. If the actor cannot bring that character to life, and make it feel like that person is the one making up the dialogue for the character, that's a talent.

Examples of this:
Sarah Michelle Gellar and Alyson Hannigan. These two actresses really make it seem like there is no writer involved. They are just Buffy and Willow, in an everyday world.

Some other characters just act the script, bringing no emotion into it. I think that David Boreanaz does this. He just doesn't make it seem like he is Angel, out in LA, doing his thing. It just seems scripted.

There are many talented actresses/actors on the show, there are the ones that just stink, and then there are the remaining, who are working on creating their craft into talent: Nicholas Brendan, Michelle Trachtenberg.

*Another talented actress who bring her character to life: Emma Caulfield. While I am not particulary fond of Anya, I think that Emma really is one with the character.
 
I don't know if I'd say that the actors are great actors though.. I mean, obviously many of them are just perfect for the characters they play. Like Emma Caulfield for example. Now, I haven't seen her in anything else but she is perfect as Anya, but is she a good actress in the way that she can become any kind of person she tries to be..? And Eliza Dushku.. Obviously I find her extremely good, as Faith, she is amazing really. But although I buy the movies she's in and I love seeing her in movies and all, I'd be a fool not to admit that she is never as good as when she's Faith. She can act, sure she can. But there'll probably never be a more perfect role for her than Faith, and she'll probably never be as good as she was on BtVS and AtS (hm, that sounded really sad but.. yea well).
 
You've got a very good point about the writing. A great actor can still make something very compelling out of terrible dialogue. But you end up being more conscious of the acting than the drama.
 
Yea... I think the thing you really have to look for in an actor is how they evolve throught out the series... With BtVS, so many of the characters evolved within the 7 years, and some even less... I mean, there's three ways it can go really...

Characters can force the evolution... I felt that Cordelia's evolution between Buffy S3 and Angel S3 was forced... She sort of fell into everything... Oh, now I have visions... Oh, now I'm part demon... It sounds bad, its really not all Charisma's fault, its the writing... But I think there should have been more subtlety to it...

They can also flow into it... This was shown VERY well on BtVS with Buffy, Willow, Xander (by season 7), Tara, etc... The list goes on... I think this had a lot to do with the amazing writers that happened to be writing those parts at those times... But the actors themselves really seemed to embrace their roles... That's partly why I love the series so much... They flow together so well...

Then, its the characters that just dont evolve at all... Angel is one of them... I've only seen up until Season 4 of Angel... But from what I've seen, he doesn't really evolve any as a character... Maybe that was intentional... But but like someone said before... It was like you could tell he was scripted... There was no flow...
 
That's an interesting point about the evolution of characters. I think they all grew to varying degrees. One of the most amazing trajectories a character took (other than fred/illyria) was Wesley. Going from essentially a buffoon, comic relief to one of the most interesting characters in the 'verse. Ended up a sometimes noble, sometimes dark and conflicted, ultimately tragic figure.

I wonder how much these things are dictated purely by the mechanics of the plots and whims of the writers vs. Joss seeing some particular growth in the actor. Or the actor specifically suggesting things.
 
I dont feel smart enough to take part in this discussion, buuut, to answer your whole Juliet Landau accent question, goldenboy...

Personally, I dont think its *that* bad, but I may be bias, cuz I love Drusilla's character, but a lot of the people I know who watched it were annoyed by her accent. Juliet tried to pull of the Cockney accent...and sometimes, it didnt work 😛

As for the rest of the English accents, as much as I hate him with a fiery vengeance, I think James Marsters pulls it off the best! =D
 
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