:lmao:Yeah i think the Scythe can kill Illyria , becuase it was made to kill the last pure demon that walks on the earth and Illyria is a pure demon 🙂. And plus seen what damage she done to caleb he had the power of the first and cut him like he was butter !!!, And we don't know that illyria could be the last pure demon on earth 🙂
Can Buffy's Scythe Kill Illyria?
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white avenger
white avenger
...except that Illyria is a hell god, like Glory, not a demon, so the scythe might not have any more power over her than any other weapon. And, though Caleb might have had the power of the First Evil, he was still, despite all of that power, still basically human.
Nothing has ever been said or shown to indicate that Illyria would be impervious to any sort of weapon. In her (it's) natural form, due to sheer size, it would be something like trying to kill a grizzly bear with a .22 rifle: difficult, almost certainly requiring multiple hits to vital organs, wherever and whatever they might be, but possible eventually. In Fred's form, I would imagine that she would be much harder to kill than a normal human. There was something said during the transition time between Fred and Illyria about her human organs being reformed into some sort of different configuration. That reconfiguration would no doubt make her body much more durable than it's normal human counterpart, but if Buffy had enough time and determination, she would most likely be able to kill Illyria. This is, of course, assuming that Illyria would let her stay alive long enough to do it.
Nothing has ever been said or shown to indicate that Illyria would be impervious to any sort of weapon. In her (it's) natural form, due to sheer size, it would be something like trying to kill a grizzly bear with a .22 rifle: difficult, almost certainly requiring multiple hits to vital organs, wherever and whatever they might be, but possible eventually. In Fred's form, I would imagine that she would be much harder to kill than a normal human. There was something said during the transition time between Fred and Illyria about her human organs being reformed into some sort of different configuration. That reconfiguration would no doubt make her body much more durable than it's normal human counterpart, but if Buffy had enough time and determination, she would most likely be able to kill Illyria. This is, of course, assuming that Illyria would let her stay alive long enough to do it.
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ukkid09
Illyria not a hell god she an old one AKA pure demon . I agree with you about buffy when she as determination she might able to kill illyria
I think that is the key. Before Fred-Illyria lost most of her powers, if Buffy would have turned up in LA with a massive scythe, Illyria would probably have lying face down on the floor before she realised what hit her. That's not to say that Buffy wouldn't be able to beat her, because, well, she has faced a lot, but I wouldn't bet much on it.
Buffyverse Fan
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I'd say if Buffy + Scythe fought True Illyria seen in the end of After the Fall, Buffy + Scythe would be turned to goo.
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HABEAS CORPSES
but good goo they would be...yeah but i agree
The_Final_Cylon
So say we all
^^^^^^^^^^^ The Guardians states that the scythe - to kill the last pure demon that walk upon earth and that might be illyria
pure demons are bigger then normal demons so the scythe is desigh to kill old ones AKA pure deomns ( Illyria )
pure demons are bigger then normal demons so the scythe is desigh to kill old ones AKA pure deomns ( Illyria )
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The_Final_Cylon
I was just going on Buffy+Scythe v Illyria, Willow was not mentioned in the question, and fyi it I was joking.
Mozzymandias
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ryonizdabest; said:
But you asked if Buffy's Scythe would kill Illyria not Willow.
Anyway, I don't think so, not in her Primordial form. In Fred's body I believe Buffy would win though.
^^^^^I mentioned willow because everybody thinks illyria is strong but everybodys forgetting willow got pure power to end illyria and i agree that buffy kills Illyria anyform if their have willow on their team if you read angel after the fall you probably know what i mean.!
if she was in her true form it still meant and design to kill her,becuase she might be the last pure demon walk upon earth so i disagree with that.
Just say illyria killed dawn emotion of anger will end illyria plus if dawn doesnt die she got courage and determinations to end her. 🙂
if she was in her true form it still meant and design to kill her,becuase she might be the last pure demon walk upon earth so i disagree with that.
Just say illyria killed dawn emotion of anger will end illyria plus if dawn doesnt die she got courage and determinations to end her. 🙂
Mozzymandias
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Your question was can Buffy's Scythe kill Illyria. If you want to factor in variables like Dawn being killed and Willow fighting along side Buffy say it from the outset. Just saying.
Mozzymandias
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primordial form = yes
freds body = yes (The scthy is designed to kill pure breed demon true form or not it meant to kill the pure breed demon.
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Perny
Copy cat....What's your point?
Mozzymandias
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I've already acknowledged what you think, no need to repeat. I only repeated mine since you asked me again. Also just because something is designed to do something doesn't mean it will.
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Perny
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The Scythe might have been designed to kill 'pure demons,' but the fact of the matter is, against Illyria in her true form, Buffy is still only one person. One human person, with the added power of the Slayer. That's a hell of a lot smaller than True-Form-Illyria. One twitch of muscle and Buffy'd be road kill.
The Slayer is just not built to take on demons like that and win.
Buffy needed the help of Angel, Faith, Giles and Willow when the Hellmouth opened in 'The Zeppo' and they had to fight the demon that came out, an Old One from the other side. And even then they didn't manage to kill it! They just sealed it back into the Hellmouth.
And even in her Fred-Form, Illyria is still a match for almost everyone she faces, even after her power-drain.
Sorry, but as much as I love Buffy, my money's on my name sake.
The Slayer is just not built to take on demons like that and win.
Buffy needed the help of Angel, Faith, Giles and Willow when the Hellmouth opened in 'The Zeppo' and they had to fight the demon that came out, an Old One from the other side. And even then they didn't manage to kill it! They just sealed it back into the Hellmouth.
And even in her Fred-Form, Illyria is still a match for almost everyone she faces, even after her power-drain.
Sorry, but as much as I love Buffy, my money's on my name sake.
white avenger
white avenger
There's little doubt that the scythe would kill Illyria. There's also no doubt that I could cut down a tree with my pocket knife. The problem is that both take quite a long time. The tree won't put up much of a fight. Illyria most certainly will. It comes down to exactly that. Illyria won't stand by idly while Buffy, or some other Slayer, hack away at her with the scythe, and she is more powerful than any Slayer.
Lindsey McDonald
Spirit Boy
Another thing - wasn't the "last pure demon to walk this Earth" in the time of the Shadowmen the original Vampire? And wasn't Angel's vamp-face in Pylea a reasonable representation of what that was? I can see a Slayer with a Scythe being able to kill one of them. I can't see her being able to deal with a true Old One. Even in Illyria's time, the pure Vampires were the lowest of the low. There's a huge difference in power there.
Also, the Guardian never says that the Scythe was designed to kill pure demons, merely that it did. Of course, that is probably the purpose it was forged for, but that doesn't make it a Demon-No-More out of the box. It's just one of the better weapons for the job.
Also, the Guardian never says that the Scythe was designed to kill pure demons, merely that it did. Of course, that is probably the purpose it was forged for, but that doesn't make it a Demon-No-More out of the box. It's just one of the better weapons for the job.
Adam
Potential
Buffy's emotion fuels her with power so if Illyria killed Dawn then Buffy fueled by rage + grief would stand a much better chance of winning, however it would still be close.
Since in the episode of Angel "Time Bomb" we saw Illyria kill Spike, Angel, Wesley and Lorne single handedly i dont think Buffy would not stand much of a chance even with the Scythe.
The question in who would win Buffy with Scythe and Giles, Willow and Xander invoke the powers of the primeval slayer again like in season 4. Buffy's strength, Giles' mind, Willow's spirit, and Xander's heart. All combined into Buffy against Illyria.
Failing that she has her Xander help her. Xander Quote: If you die, I'll just bring you back to life. It's what I do.
In conclusion Buffy alone couldnt win. Fueled by rage and grief maybe. Buffy + Scythe + Primeval slayer power is probably gonna come out on the side of Buffy.
Sorry i rambled on abit there =).
Since in the episode of Angel "Time Bomb" we saw Illyria kill Spike, Angel, Wesley and Lorne single handedly i dont think Buffy would not stand much of a chance even with the Scythe.
The question in who would win Buffy with Scythe and Giles, Willow and Xander invoke the powers of the primeval slayer again like in season 4. Buffy's strength, Giles' mind, Willow's spirit, and Xander's heart. All combined into Buffy against Illyria.
Failing that she has her Xander help her. Xander Quote: If you die, I'll just bring you back to life. It's what I do.
In conclusion Buffy alone couldnt win. Fueled by rage and grief maybe. Buffy + Scythe + Primeval slayer power is probably gonna come out on the side of Buffy.
Sorry i rambled on abit there =).
Lindsey McDonald
Spirit Boy
Now that is a nice idea. I like. The Scythe was originally used by the first Slayer, right? And it channels the magic of the Slayer line? That could be one powerful combo. After what she did to Adam without the Scythe....yeah, there she would stand a good chance against Illyria.