Canonical Buffyverse material

[nerd4hire]

Thanks. So you'll no doubt like to re-answer Tranquility's question then. As a flat "no" was obviously not what you meant.

Let me try it first, OK.

I always thought Tales of the Vampires and Tales of the Slayers were straight canon?

Possibly they are, depending on your definition of straight canon. I myself think they are, or at least as straight as canon can be under the steadily fuzzier understanding of what canon is.

Some believe it is not. They believe Joss's authorization should be more clear than what one might imply from a connection to other canon works.

Others only accept the TV series as canon.

Feel free to "Utilize" that opinion "for your collecting" as well, people. 😉

Edit: Reply to Karma

Why doesn't that surprise me? 🙂

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

I'm pretty easy, myself: if Joss says something is canon, it is. Otherwise, it ain't.

 

[nerd4hire]

Come to think of it, here's another one I sometimes wonder about.

Did Joss ever specifically say Angel the Series was Buffyverse canon, or would it be like Fray, ToTS, and ToTV - canon by implication of connection of characters, and other story devices.

Because if he didn't say it specifically those who believe a spoken word by Joss is necessary to canonize something can cool the talk about the PTB watching over Buffy, or the slayer line, or making it snow in Amends.

 

[Superstar]

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Heh. I'm taking that response as amusement.

I think I would have made a good judge.
I may believe 110% that a defendant is guilty, but if the state fails to make its case the return verdict will be not-guilty.

There are many discussions where I propound things that I may not fully believe, but the defense still cannot make its case due to lack of evidence. I take nothing on assumption, faith or general consensus. I follow no mob rule mentality. I leave the witch-hunts to the zealous.

 

[nerd4hire]

Interesting, but as far as what makes something canon what am I to take from that?

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Come to think of it, here's another one I sometimes wonder about.

Did Joss ever specifically say Angel the Series was Buffyverse canon, or would it be like Fray, ToTS, and ToTV - canon by implication of connection of characters, and other story devices.

Because if he didn't say it specifically those who believe a spoken word by Joss is necessary to canonize something can cool the talk about the PTB watching over Buffy, or the slayer line, or making it snow in Amends.

Hm. Good question. I don't know, and I guess partly that's because I never really got into AtS enough to watch it (up until the last season, and only sporadically then.)

 

[T.I.P]

I think its safe to assume Ats is definetly canon. The shows were tied up in each other, plus, its just obvious.

 

[nerd4hire]

I think its safe to assume Ats is definetly canon. The shows were tied up in each other, plus, its just obvious.

So you see the problem then right? If canon requires a specific authorization from Joss in order to be what we're now calling "straight canon", then Angel the Series may not apply. And that would just be silly. Therefore canon by implicit authorization would be reasonable. This should apply to TotS, and TotV.

On the other hand that might also apply to Spike After the Fall, so would that mean any spinoff from Angel After the Fall becomes canon? What about spinoffs of spinoffs?

If all it takes to be canon is Joss's personal participation to become canon, then Long Night's Journey is canon, and that means Angel was not the target of the Gypsy curse. If it is canon nobody takes it seriously, so what does that mean?