Champions...?

[Tueuse de Vampires]

I was just watching 'Waiting in the Wings', and there, when Lorne talks about Cordelia, he says 'She's a champion', so whoever said she wasn't a champion, there you go 😛.

 

[Lindsey McDonald]

Joss Whedon has done alot of things but he cannot take a word from the English Dictionary and take away its meaning and invent his own. He could, feasibly, add to it, but he can't take anything away - that being said look up the term again, or reference the Merriam Webster one I used a few posts back.

Ok, this makes no sense. For one, he can do what he likes in his own little verse. For another, it's not as if he took an entire mythology that falls under the word "Vampire", scrapped bits he didn't like, made up new stuff....oh, wait....

The important thing in this case though, is that he isn't scrapping the old defeniton. He is making it more specific. The word champion is thrown around by a lot of characters, mostly in moments of awe and encouragement. However, there was always a distinction between a champion and a Champion of the PTB. Angel was assigned Champion status by the PTB. So was, I believe, Buffy. Other minor characters can certainly be Players in the big cosmic plan, but the word Champion is intrinsicaly related to the PTB. That's why I think Cordelia became a Champion when she became part demon. I can also believe Willow becoming a Champion during Chosen. I haven't seen Angel Season 5 yet, so I'll reserve judgment on Spike.

As for champions, then yes, apply the dictionary definition, or your own personal standard if you will. But the word Champion is much more specific in the Buffyverse.

 

[Atren]

Definition of champion is what causes all the arguement here i think. I would have to say for me it is not your powers, but your actions and their results define champion. All of them fought for saving earth, and had notable impact making them champions. Yes, could argue that some were forced to be one (Buffy, not Angel altough) and some others did not really have that good motivation/reason, but still actual actions are what count for me.

 

[Tueuse de Vampires]

Definition of champion is what causes all the arguement here i think. I would have to say for me it is not your powers, but your actions and their results define champion. All of them fought for saving earth, and had notable impact making them champions. Yes, could argue that some were forced to be one (Buffy, not Angel altough) and some others did not really have that good motivation/reason, but still actual actions are what count for me.

Buffy wasn't forced. She had a choice, not a good one, but a choice, to put it in her words. Faith showed us pretty well that a slayer doesn't automatically get champion status.