chance, strategy, risk

OK, speaking of another of Joss's peers:

Bryan Singer. Usual Suspects. Exploring criminals, gangster culture. There's voiceover narration, classic noir style. Kaiser Soze is like a supercriminal genius, Lex Luthor or something.

GenX filmmakers seem to love comics, pulp, noir...Singer wasn't even into comics but has fallen into that movie genre.

And look at his Superman:

http://www.thisislondon.com/insiders/guides/articles/18106085?source=Evening Standard

"”Looks like the classic 30's-40's style! Some kind of fascination with retro cool. I think some folks are going to hate that look. I like it, personally.

I wonder how Joss's Wonder Woman will look. I would love to see a retro look, whatever that might mean...
 
Found another piece that relates to Buffy perfectly....



Art & Culture
The Story That Won't Go Away:
By Alex Wainer
Why We Keep Inventing (The Same) Heroes
byFaith Online -

What do Hercules, Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker, Spider-Man, and a thousand other heroes of myth and popular culture have in common? This summer, we are again seeing that movie audiences are ready to make box office hits of characters who, though different in details, share a common lineage"” a basic recurring story pattern that goes back thousands of years. What is this story? Where does it come from? And why does it stay with us?

What we're talking about is "the hero's journey," a phrase associated with the scholar Joseph Campbell's writings on the common "deep structure" shared by most myths, legends, folktales, and many of the heroes of popular culture. The "mono-myth," as it's also been called, goes way back. Think of all the Greek and Norse myths about a hero, gifted with extraordinary skills and courage, who embarks on an adventure that will prove his worth, deliver his community, and result in his high acclaim.... "

"...1. A young man (and it is invariably a young man), often born and raised in obscure circumstances, receives a call to go on an adventure and must decide whether or not to accept it.

2. If he accepts the call, he finds that a mentor, a older man with wisdom and special abilities, who is there to help him in the journey.

3. Eventually the hero discovers he has talents, or powers that will assist him in his quest.

4. He often receives special gifts in the form of weapons, talismans or other items he will find useful in his adventures.

5. As he pursues his quest, he must undergo a series of trials that will test his commitment, purity and character. Obstacles to his goals must be overcome, often painfully, and he discovers who he is as he strives against them."

http://www.byfaithonline.com/CC/CDA.../1,,PTID323422|CHID664018|CIID1840010,00.html



"”Joss obviously put a feminist twist on the mythological model. A hero, Buffy, mentored by a guide, Giles the Watcher.

I wonder, are there historical examples (besides Buffy) of the traditionally male mono-myth for girls? I don't know enough about mythology to say....



"The Female Hero
When the hero of a story is a woman, her quest is somewhat different from the male pattern. (A female hero is quite different from a heroine: a heroine usually exists as the object of a male quest; the female hero has her own journey.) The overall movement is the same, but the kinds of challenges, confrontations, goals, and ends may differ. Female heroes, more frequently than male, fight against what society expects of them."

http://virtual.clemson.edu/groups/dial/sfclass/MYTHREAD.html




Hmm....

"Novels written by Alice Walker, Ntozake Shange, Ursula Le Guin, and Barbara Kingsolver between 1971 and 1993 demonstrate a pattern of female heroism that both continues and revises the male monomyth as described by Joseph Campbell. The motifs these women's novels share with the traditional monomyth include: * the quest itself * mysterious parentage * the magical guide * the slaying of the monster * the boon * (sometimes) the sacred marriage and the return. The elements either unique to the female quest or containing a different emphasis from the monomyth are: * enclosure in a patriarchal system * naming of one's own reality * the discovery or creation of community * the possibility of marriage. In the novels examined-The Color Purple, Sassafrass, Cypress and Indigo, The Tombs of Atuan, Tehanu, The Bean Trees, and Pigs in Heaven-the hero's enclosure is gender-related. She is entrapped by the conditions of female life in her society. Conventional marriage and gender-role expectations function as enclosures. She often escapes by learning to trust her own perceptions and to name the world for herself.

The discovery or creation of a community of equals is the female quest narrative's most significant departure from the monomyth; the hero is not set apart from others in a hierarchy of value. (The Potentials?!)

Another departure is the frequent communal nature of the heroism itself, in contrast to the monomyth's emphasis on individualism. Moreover, the female hero seeks alternatives to violence; no monsters are literally slain by the hero. The hero's marriage, when it occurs in Tehanu and Pigs in Heaven, both novels of the 1990's, differs from the marriage of the monomyth, from the romance plot, and from the negative or compromised marriages presented in earlier women's fiction. These marriages represent not merely heterosexual union but movement beyond duality; they constitute a feminist re-imagining of relationships between men and women that will continue reshaping the traditional story of the hero."

https://etd.wvu.edu/etd/controller....tdata&jsp_etdId=115&jsp_pageFrom=assistSearch
 
I know, and you know where else you can find Buffy parallels, is in the Heroic epic.

I remember when Buffy was in it's final season, everyone was trying to forecast how it would end. My prophecy was "Buffy will go to Hell", because that's what happens in a heroic epic - the Odyssey, the Aenid, Gilgamesh, perhaps Lord of the Rings and such.

You can also find "tragic hero" parallels, like the tragic flaw (usually vanity, and more in Angel) leading to destruction. I think Illyria is the classic tragic hero, and even Angel. Maybe even Season 7 Buffy.

But yeah, there's that classic, and mythic aspect to Buffy/Angel for sure.
 
Speaking of mentors, tragic heros, flaws"”Maggie Walsh comes to mind. She was obviously Riley's mentor, briefly became a mentor for Buffy. Inspired Buffy with her psych class and the Initiative early on.

Maggie succumed to that classic, traditionally male (at least in mythological fiction, is that right?) character flaw: vanity, hubris. She fills in as Victor Frankenstein, or Doc Ock from Spidey 2. Her life is destroyed by her own creation.

And there was that rogue female Watcher for Faith"”desired that magic glove or whatever it was.

These seem to function partly as warnings to the protagonists"”control your hubris, desire for power, or else...
 
Found a really interesting University of Melbourne site with all kinds of summaries of academic papers related to Buffy, superheroes, mythology....



""Restlessly, violently, headlong, like a river that wants to reach its end..": Nihilism, Reconstruction and the Hero's Journey :: Raymond Younis

Nietzsche foreshadowed a link between the twentieth century and the "advent" of nihilism. In "Will to Power" he wrote: "What I relate is the history of the next two centuries. I describe what is coming, what can no longer come differently: the advent of nihilism. . . . For some time now our whole European culture has been moving as toward a catastrophe, with a tortured tension that is growing from decade to decade: restlessly, violently, headlong, like a river that wants to reach the end.".

Heidegger, writing in 1927 (in "The Question of Being"), foreshadowed a time in which nihilism would be humanity's "normal state". In a sense, they were right. There has been much recent interest in such issues. In recent research, "nihilism" has been linked to dialectics (Gillian Rose), the work of Max Stirner (Filadelfo Linares), negative theology and deconstruction (Conor Cunningham), Nietzsche's philosophy (again! Ken Cussen), "Romanticism" and a new understanding of "man and nature, one that puts will in place of reason, and freedom in place of necessity and order" (Michael Allen Gillespie), postmodernism (David Michael Levin), Heidegger's ethics (Karl Löwith), "Gen X" filmmakers such as Soderbergh and Tarantino (Peter Hanson), ethics as a "figure of nihilism" (Alain Badiou), feminist critiques of postmodernism (Susan J. Hekman), "modernity" (Robert B. Pippin),  "Narcissism" (Stephen L. Gardner), the "Information Superhighway" (Hubert Dreyfus), aesthetics and institutions (Justin Clemens) . The list is not exhaustive.

But there is little or no research on the links between nihilism and the super-heroes of popular culture. This paper will argue that the overcoming (Nietzsche's term is crucial here: "àœberwindung") of nihilism is a crucial and integral part of the superhero's journey and ultimately of the superhero's project - one might think of Neo in the Matrix trilogy, Dave in "2001: A Space Odyssey", the crew of the Starship Enterprise (for example in conflict with the Borg in "Star Trek: First Contact"), Daredevil, Spiderman and the upcoming Catwoman. "

http://www.ahcca.unimelb.edu.au/Superheroes/abstracts-full-T-Z.html#vangameren



"”Again, this makes me think of Buffy, Angel as postmodern superheros fighting against nihilism. Evil never ends, seems pointless to fight at times. Yet, they both soldier on, almost "inventing" purpose, meaning for themselves as they continue to fight...

I know now that he was very carefully thinking about Campbell's mono-myth ideas in designing Buffy. I wonder how much Joss considered the postmodern, nihilist dilemma when he started the show. That's as interesting to me as the basic mythological structure of Buffy.
 
And yet, you know every once in a while out of nowhere comes this consistent little, niggling possibillity that perhaps there is some higher power with a plan watching out over things.

This is from the Angel Ep Reprise -

But one brave and worthy knight - he had a glove. (Drops the book in front of Angel, displaying a rendition of the glove) Fashioned and blessed by all the powers of light.

The thought is always in the background, but it's there.
 
Yes, it's true. Occasional bursts of light, hope peek through. Joss is a bitter, angry old softie romantic! Or something like that. A hopeful cynic.
 
You know what though, I'm not sure Nihilism really works as a philosophical explanation for what's put forward in Buffy/Angel.

I could try to explain that I guess, but it might be better to just offer up the little bit from Epiphany, where Angel and Kate are discussing such stuff -

Kate: "I just couldn't... - My whole life has been about being a cop. If I'm not part of the force it's like nothing I do means anything."
Angel, still looking pretty beat up: "It doesn't."
Kate: "Doesn't what?"
Angel: "Mean anything. In the greater scheme or the big picture, nothing we do matters. There's no grand plan, no big win."
Kate: "You seem kind of chipper about that."
Angel: "Well, I guess I kinda - worked it out. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters, - then all that matters is what we do. 'cause that's all there is. What we do, now, today. - I fought for so long. For redemption, for a reward - finally just to beat the other guy, but... I never got it."
Kate: "And now you do?"
Angel: "Not all of it. All I wanna do is help. I wanna help because - I don't think people should suffer, as they do. Because, if there is no bigger meaning, then the smallest act of kindness - is the greatest thing in the world."
Kate: "Yikes. It sounds like you had an epiphany."
Angel: "I keep saying that. But nobody's listening."
Kate: "Well, I'm pretty much convinced, since I'm alive to be convinced."
Angel: "You know you don't have to be a cop to be..."
Kate: "I'm okay. - Anyway, I'm *not* headed towards another pillathon. - I'm very grateful. - I never thought you'd come for me, but... I got cut a huge break and I believe... - I don't know what I believe, but I - have - faith. - I think maybe we're not alone in this."
Angel: "Why?"
Kate: "Because I never invited you in."
 
I don't think the shows are nihilistic. But It seems like characters flirt with nihilism"”you might call it despair"”in the 'verse. (Faith and Willow had moments of nearly complete apathy, despair"”translated into rage, violence). But they're both rescued from that state.

That's why I'm liking that guy's premise about modern superheros battling nihilism as one of their main challenges. They're not starting from a state of nihilism in the 'verse"”unlike Tarantino's characters.

They don't absolutely know if there's "bigger meaning". So, it's something like postmodern angst again. We assume, hope there's meaning, but don't know for sure. Angel doesn't actually know who opened that door for him, does he? He hopes it signifies help from a force of good I suppose. You'd think it would be safe to assume...

But, it's different than many traditional supernatural stories about vampires for example. In a "premodern" scenario, a Christian God is assumed, vamps are helpless against one who has faith in a cross. A clear demarcation between a supernatural good and a supernatural evil. Clear meaning, purpose it seems.

So, it seems to me that something like nihilism exists at times in some characters, but the overall effect is more a postmod hopeful frustration I guess.



Another interesting piece comparing Buffy and American "postmod" Christianity....

"Behind the witty dialogue and the engaging characters, behind the metaphors of monsters and demons, the show occupies a space between belief and disbelief, between an absolute morality and nihilism..."

"...What is Buffy's cross for? Where does Buffy get her powers from? Why is Angel allowed to return from Hell? Why is there a Hell? Questions like these are suggested, but are left generally unasked and always unanswered. During the fifth season a more mature and introspective Buffy becomes more aware of some of these issues, asking the librarian Rupert Giles to become her Watcher again to help her work out answers. But as she experiences the loss of another boyfriend, the death of her mother, and her most powerful opponent yet (a "god," not a demon or vampire), any sense of a divine presence or a transcendent purpose evades her.

Buffy creates a world of absence/presence, immortality/mortality, sacred/secular, where the experience is always on the edge or in the gaps of perception. It is an ironic world just this side of literal belief in demons, but one that is also close to the spiritual experience --praised by medieval Christian mystics and contemporary theologians -- of gazing upon a space where God isn't.

While America has often been characterized as simplifying God (and vampires) there is another side that is constantly slipping, full of tension and contradiction. The characteristically American phrase "I know that God exists," can be read to say just the opposite. (If we can know, then God becomes of this reality, an empirical object that we can posses, and therefore is not God.)"...

http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2001-04-23-buffy.shtml




"”Maybe I've got this all wrong. I wonder, would you consider the ancient pagan polytheistic universe "nihilistic"? There are places like Heaven and Hell, right? But the gods are capricious, selfish. Is there ultimate goodness, meaning in ancient Greek paganism for example?
 
Yeah OK, I get it now. Is there any kind of "quality" attached to this theory. Is one thing better than the other?
 
Just to get back to heros, mythology for a sec....

I was just thinking, this Fourth Turning generational theory, book, I'm fixated on lately (as I've said, it could be nonsense, but it's fun)"”it attempts to make a connection between mythological stories and actual human history. It suggests that the classic mythological crisis/hero story is told over and over in many cultures"”that some myths are in fact a reflection of actual, recurring crises, wars in human history. They reference Jung and Joseph Campbell as well.

The authors describe 4 generational archetypes:

Prophet
Nomad
Hero
Artist

As the theory goes...during a major crisis or total war (which, in reality, supposedly recurs every 80 to 100 years, according to the authors), an elder, or Prophet generation, guides a young Hero generation. In between the two is an isolated, cynical generation, the Nomads. The very young, toddlers are the Artists. They are overprotected during this crisis.

You can find these types in some mythological stories. Don't know the classics, but for example, LOTR: elder Prophet (Gandalf), middle aged rogue Nomad (Aragorn), young Hero (Frodo), toddler hobbits (Artist).

The same is true of Star Wars: An elder Prophet, Obi Wan, a middle aged rogue Nomad, Han Solo, a young hero, Luke Skywalker.

You may be able to apply that mythological formula to Buffy as well. There are archetypes, but they don't quite fit the formula in terms of their respective ages: the Prophet/guide (Giles), the rogue, cynical Nomad (Spike, Angel), the Hero (Buffy, the Scoobs), the overprotected young Artist (Dawn,).

So, perhaps Giles is Gandalf/Obi Wan, Spike and Angel are Aragorn or Han Solo, Buffy's Frodo or Luke.

http://www.lifecourse.com/ourmethod/archetype.html
 
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