Choices...

[Sunnydale Siren]

hate to say it, but The Mayor's comments about Buffy/Angel were pretty spot on.


Not the greatest episode, but i loved the final scene with Willow and Buffy.


Wesley=USELESS!

 

[UlaGan]

Usually, I'm skipping this episode upon rewatching.
The whole Bangel plot line started to bug me, maybe that's because I used to support this match and I hate to see it's breaking apart, or maybe I got older.

 

[MinwaraYana]

The Mayor's comments is so true, but I mostly skip that scene like I do with Bangel speech at the end of Amends. The only interesting thing is Gavrok's box. 😀 Also, it's sad how they got the box just to lose it.

 

[Flannen]

This is actually one of my favourite episodes!

I love the whole breaking into the Mayor's office and Willow's interaction with Faith. And I especially love Oz's reactions when he smashes the contents of the spell!

For me, definitely not a skippable episode. And they Mayor's comments may have been true, but it doesn't make him right 😛

 

[Jules]

I agree with Flannen, this is one of my favorite episodes. I love the bangelness in this episode, sure its the beginning of the end, but it has so many great scenes, from Angel jumping in to help Buffy when her harness is stuck, to there picnic in the dark at the end. Plus I love their opening scene together as well.

Something I always wondered about was whether Faith was looking longingly at her knife that was imbedded in the wall, or if she was looking at the Scoobies. What did you think?

 

[BillyidolwannaB]

I think Faith was looking at her knife.

 

[Jules]

I thought that too. The way the Mayor called out to her though, I think he thought she was looking at Buffy and the guys, otherwise what would have been the harm of her going to get the knife out of the wall.

 

[BillyidolwannaB]

I just took it as she didn't really wanna walk through the scoobys to get it, i think she felt awkward with them all looking at her. Plus her boss told her to move.

 

[Fusions2]

Yeah she was definitely looking the knife, the Mayor and herself had made a pretty solid bond by this point at that knife was a sign of father/daughter love. The moment she lost it I think she was gutted she even stated about it when herself and Buffy fought in Graduation Day Pt1. Also Faith doesn't like losing one bit.

 

[Glorylicious]

i think she was looking at the knife. Earlier on in the episode he said something along the lines of "i don't like asking twice". Thats why Faith ran. otherwise ,she would have gone to get it

 

[Willowsgirl]

I watched this episode last night again for the second time and I had forgot how much I liked it. I love when Willow stands up to Faith and how she steals the pages from the books of ascension YAY Willow. The mayor was totally right and I'm convinced that it is because of what he said that made Angel realize that he had to leave Buffy. Buffy and Willows conversation at the end was so sweet! When Oz ruined the spell to destroy the box I always felt like he should have said "Whoops" that would have been funny.

The only bad thing in that episode was that moron Wesley, but he is the weak link through out this season. So he didn't really take much away from it for me. Overall good episode. YAY WILLOW!

 

[Flannen]

The mayor was totally right and I'm convinced that it is because of what he said that made Angel realize that he had to leave Buffy.

Personally, although it did sow the seeds, I think it was Joyce that convinced Angel he had to leave. I think that if he had taken the Mayor's words that close to his heart, he wouldn't have been with her like he was at the end of Choices and the beginning of The Prom. It wasn't until Joyce had been to see him that he started acting/behaving in a way that made Buffy realise there was something wrong.

 

[Willowsgirl]

Personally, although it did sow the seeds, I think it was Joyce that convinced Angel he had to leave. I think that if he had taken the Mayor's words that close to his heart, he wouldn't have been with her like he was at the end of Choices and the beginning of The Prom. It wasn't until Joyce had been to see him that he started acting/behaving in a way that made Buffy realise there was something wrong.

I agree Joyce played a role, but I think that had the mayor not said what he did to them I don't think Joyce would have been enough to make Angel leave. Angel had a look on is face at the end of Choices that told me that the wheels where turning in his head and he was wondering about what is best for Buffy. Buffy herself seemed worried despite what she said at the end. Her statement seemed more like she was trying to convince herself that the mayor was wrong more than actually believing it was. The mayor was the biggest push, Joyce just finished the job.

 

[Flannen]

I do agree that they did both know that what the Mayor said was true and that Buffy was trying to convince herself because he really laid down what it was like for one person to be immortal etc.

But for me, I just don't think they would have been as intimate with each other as they were between the Mayor and Joyce if he was the biggest push. I wouldn't be able to interact with my boyfriend like that if I had something that huge hanging over my head, do you know what I mean? But you know, we always add our personal experiences to what we see, so we do all relate to it differently and it really is my own experience that makes me interpret it the way I do.

And for me, I think that Joyce, as his girlfriend's mother, would have had quite a sway over him. I always got the impression he was trying to prove himself and 'impress' Joyce and actually respected what she had to say...if that makes sense 😀

I do realise, we've kind of moved on to talking about 'The Prom' now as opposed to 'Choices'...sorry!

 

[Willowsgirl]

But for me, I just don't think they would have been as intimate with each other as they were between the Mayor and Joyce if he was the biggest push. I wouldn't be able to interact with my boyfriend like that if I had something that huge hanging over my head, do you know what I mean? But you know, we always add our personal experiences to what we see, so we do all relate to it differently and it really is my own experience that makes me interpret it the way I do.

I totally agree with you about bring your own experiences to the situation in the show. Whedon even encourages that and I try to with most episodes. I guess for me if I was really trying to convince myself that what someone said was wrong about my relationship with my boyfriend or now girlfriend, I would be AS intimate or MORE intimate with them as I was before the person said, if that makes sense. I would want to prove to myself and to them, that nothing was wrong and nothing was going to happen. Doing that would give me peace of mind and I would be able to ignore the nagging for awhile, you know what I mean? That is how I took Angel and Buffy's interaction, but as you said not everyone has that experience, so to each her own in this case 😀.

 

[Flannen]

I totally agree with you about bring your own experiences to the situation in the show. Whedon even encourages that and I try to with most episodes. I guess for me if I was really trying to convince myself that what someone said was wrong about my relationship with my boyfriend or now girlfriend, I would be AS intimate or MORE intimate with them as I was before the person said, if that makes sense. I would want to prove to myself and to them, that nothing was wrong and nothing was going to happen. Doing that would give me peace of mind and I would be able to ignore the nagging for awhile, you know what I mean? That is how I took Angel and Buffy's interaction, but as you said not everyone has that experience, so to each her own in this case 😀.

That's a really good point actually. I didn't think about that side of it, the fact they hated the Mayor and obviously wouldn't want to admit he was right. Let's face it, who listens to the opinion of someone they hate!? Haha. So yeah, I totally get what you're saying! 😀

 

[Kean]

I think both Buffy and Angel had been thinking about what the future held for them for a long time. The first half of the season was them doing there best to stay away frome each other...and they couldn't. As much as they tried to build something new their issues kept coming back up. While the Mayor and Joyce's words definitely effected Angel, their effect was only so profound because they echoed thoughts he had been having for months. Or maybe they confirmed worries he had tried to ignore. Baiscally, if what the Mayor and Joyce said to them hadn't been genuine worries of their own I don't think they would have effected them all that much.