Christmas and Political Correctness

teentitan

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A judge in Toronto ordered that a Christmas tree be removed from the front lobby to a barely usuable hallway. She stated that it is a symbol of Christianity and would offend and scare a person not of that faith into thinking they would not receive fair and unbiased justice.

So it begs the question, in our over zealous quest to be politically correct not to trample or offend another culture's beliefs and traditions are we not being politically incorrect towards our own beliefs and traditions?
 
This is the new annual Christmas tradition in the West...religious/legal skirmishes and PC oneupsmanship. Forget about egg nog and Christmas caroling.

The culture that led to our modern, secular, liberal systems of governance and criminal codes has its roots in Judeo-Christian traditions, yes? A Christmas tree is a marginal, semi-religious symbol at best anyway. I dunno.

I get the thinking, the theory, but...seems to me that slowly erasing and negating one's own culture and traditions breeds nothing but contempt, not harmony.
 
I've always understood that that the Christmas Tree symbol resulted from the Christianisation of Pagan symbols and rituals...the yule log and so on...😉
 
Yeah, it's more pagan than Christian, right?

Yup, that's where its roots lie 😀 😀
[ashamed]Sorry, I was trying to think of a way I could work that one in 😉[/ashamed]
 
So it begs the question, in our over zealous quest to be politically correct not to trample or offend another culture's beliefs and traditions are we not being politically incorrect towards our own beliefs and traditions?

I'm having trouble figuring out how a Christmas tree is a symbol of Christianity. A nativity scene....I get that....but a Christmas tree? The tree stems (huh? huh? did you get it? lol!) from pagan celebrations of the winter solstice.....the evergreen tree symbolizing 'life' in the midst of winter.

Anyway, yes, teentitan, I do believe so. I firmly believe that one person's rights end where another's begin. It's just that that line is hard to find sometimes.

sounds to me like it was blocking up the place.
Yeah, that's what it seems like to me, too, except that the hallway is stated as being "barely useable." Was it barely useable before the tree was placed there, or did the placement of the tree render the hallway useless?
 
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that could not of been put better myself..
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teentitan
If only there was an eyeball cleaner to find that 'line'? Would make things a lot easier in this world would it not?
miffed that last immortal line should be immortalised for ever....such beautiful words that could not of been put so brilliantly, i appauld you on your wit and wisdom!
 
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Awwwww, thanks! *blush*
ok, heres what I say, one. we're not excerising our first amendment, because if we did, that alone would allow a christmas tree. and I know earlier it was said the roots of it all is pagan, and thats absoultly right, but nowdays, its more of a sign for christianity, but my thinking is, instead of remove the tree, why not add a whole display of things from different holidays.

Like a manorah(sorry if i spelled that wrong.) for haunakah(that too hehe.), and some things for Kwanza, and so forth..the soultion to the problem shouldnt be to remove it, it should be to add to it, besides it makes them seem caring of the other holidays. Oh, and im not chrisitan, but i wouldnt walk into a court house, see a christmas tree, think, oh they must favor christians, and leave offended. I'm sure to most, thats not whats running through their heads.
 
Regardless of its origin, the christmas tree is associated with Christianity. The tree symbolises life, as in the birth of christ.

No rights were violated by the moving of the tree.

This is a non issue, just something brought into attention by Christians who like to think they are picked on more than other religious groups.

It's a classic symptom of paranoia and the delusions associated with superstitious gobbledegook. That's my diagnosis. The correct medical term is 'Christeverybodyhatesuswaaaah'.

There is only one solution.
 
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teentitan
I tried the holy water eyewash once...stung a wee bit too much for my liking, lol.
Yeah, that's what it seems like to me, too, except that the hallway is stated as being "barely useable." Was it barely useable before the tree was placed there, or did the placement of the tree render the hallway useless?

Sorry I quoted the article wrong. It is a 'rarely' used hallway.
Did not clean my eyeballs properly today, lol.
 
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Schillaci
Pour some holy water on them :P
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StuckinTraffic
Pass me the eyeball cleaner when you're done, I didn't read it right, either!
why not add a whole display of things from different holidays.

Like a manorah(sorry if i spelled that wrong.) for haunakah(that too hehe.), and some things for Kwanza, and so forth.

Did you catch this one...

SEATAC, Washington (AP) -- All nine Christmas trees have been removed from the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport instead of adding a giant Jewish menorah to the holiday display as a rabbi had requested.

Maintenance workers boxed up the trees during the graveyard shift early Saturday, when airport bosses believed few people would notice.

"We decided to take the trees down because we didn't want to be exclusive," said airport spokeswoman Terri-Ann Betancourt. "We're trying to be thoughtful and respectful, and will review policies after the first of the year."

Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky, who made his request weeks ago, said he was appalled by the decision. He had hired a lawyer and threatened to sue if the Port of Seattle didn't add the menorah next to the trees, which had been festooned with red ribbons and bows. (Watch how the rabbi's complaint left them treeless in Seattle Video)

"Everyone should have their spirit of the holiday. For many people the trees are the spirit of the holidays, and adding a menorah adds light to the season," said Bogomilsky, who works in Seattle at the regional headquarters for Chabad Lubavitch, a Jewish education foundation.

After consulting with lawyers, port staff believed that adding the menorah would have required adding symbols for other religions and cultures in the Northwest. The holidays are the busiest season at the airport, Betancourt said, and staff didn't have time to play cultural anthropologists.

Hanukkah begins this Friday at sundown.

"They've darkened the hall instead of turning the lights up," said Bogomilsky's lawyer, Harvey Grad. "There is a concern here that the Jewish community will be portrayed as the Grinch."

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/10/airport.christmas.trees.ap/index.html
 
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Those bloody Jews...!
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watcher1006
Yeah, heard that one. Public outcry, the trees were put back.
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teentitan
Thanks N4H I was just about to add that one as well because I just read about that one today.
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Darling Faithy
I think everyone in the public corp. world should just have an array of items for all holidays!
I celebrate christmas, but I'm not religious, I'm more for the boo religion. But the christmas tree is just a symbol of christmas not really of Christianity any more, even some Jews celebrate christmas!

Are airports owed by the goverment or privatly owed, cuz if their private they should be allowed to put up christmas trees and not Jewish stuff cuz it's their building and everyone else just uses it, but that doesn't mean they should have a say!
 
This was another odd one from this year I thought...they've since allowed the sponsorship. So which interest group has the biggest paranoid crybabies, or loudest complainers..I dunno. You'd think a Christkindlmarket event itself could theoretically offend, by PC logic. How about crass commercialism, does that offend?

Chicago Creates a Nativity Scene

by Natalie Finn Wed Nov 29, 6:02 AM ET

Los Angeles (E! Online) - Just when Wal-Mart was finally going to be wishing shoppers a "Merry Christmas" again, rather than saying "Happy Holidays," Chicago officials have decided to make a downtown Christmas festival a little less Christian.

Concerned that ads for the upcoming Xmas-themed film The Nativity Story might alienate non-Christians, city officials asked the organizers of the German Christkindlmarket to drop New Line Cinema as a sponsor this year.

A spokeswoman for the Mayor's Office of Special Events said that the City of Chicago did not want to appear to be endorsing one religion over another and that there would still be a nativity scene set up in Daley Plaza"”along with a Hanukkah menorah and other religious symbolism"”and items for sale related to baby Jesus' birth.

"Our guidance was that this very prominently placed advertisement would not only be insensitive to the many people of different faiths who come to enjoy the market for its food and unique gifts but also be contrary to acceptable advertising standards suggested to the many festivals and holding events on Daley Plaza," Mayor's Office executive director Jim Law said in a statement.

According to studio executive Christina Kounelias, New Line had planned to spend $12,000 in advertising at the festival as part of its nationwide Nativity Story campaign, which includes screening clips of the movie. Kounelias told the Associated Press that, as far as she knew, this was the only instance in which the studio's sponsorship was turned down.

"One would assume that if [people] were to go to Christkindlmarket, they'd know it is about Christmas," she said.

Echoing Kounelias' sentiments was Paul Braoudakis, a spokesman for the Willow Creek Association, a group of more than 11,000 churches of various denominations in Illinois.

"The last time I checked, the first six letters of Christmas still spell out Christ," Braoudakis told the AP. "It's tantamount to celebrating Lincoln's birthday without talking about Abraham Lincoln."

Or, according to the Parents Television Council, whose job would be made easier if all TV and film pregnancies were achieved by immaculate conception, Chicago's stance is one of "antireligious bigotry."

"What we haven't seen in decades from Hollywood is a reverent recounting of the birth of Jesus," PTC president Brent Bozell said in a statement Tuesday. "The New Line studio is filling that void with its new movie The Nativity Story, which simply retells the story of the first Christmas.

"The City of Chicago's decision not to be associated with a film like The Nativity Story is a form of antireligious bigotry and indirect censorship. It is ludicrous that the city would blatantly attack a movie that will be exceptionally well received by millions of people in and around Chicago, most of whom are members of one Christian denomination or another."

The Nativity Story, which on Sunday became the first film to have its world premiere at the Vatican, stars Whale Rider's Keisha Castle-Hughes (who happens to be expecting her first child in real life, too) as Mary, 24's Shohreh Aghdashloo as John the Baptist's mother, Elizabeth, and Oscar Isaac as Joseph.

Catherine Hardwicke (Thirteen, Lords of Dogtown) directed the film, scheduled to hit U.S. theaters Dec. 1.

This movie recounting the birth of Jesus also happened to be partly filmed in Matera, the same Italian town where Mel Gibson shot his similarly controversial opus about the death of Jesus, The Passion of the Christ.

The American Center for Law and Justice said Tuesday that Christkindlmarket organizers and Chicago officials should definitely rethink their decision to ban The Nativity Story promos.

"To suggest that a movie about the birth of Jesus Christ should not be included in a Christmas festival is absurd," Jay Sekulow, the ACLJ's chief counsel, said. "This transcends political correctness and centers squarely on religious bigotry"¦The city and festival organizers must respect the First Amendment and put an end to the discriminatory practices."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20061129/en_movies_eo/cdc5f955-9fbf-470b-b800-b4d688a0fb5a
 
No matter what, you're always going to be offending someone.

I mean, if you take the Christmas tree down because it offends others (who only celebrate the commercialized holiday, not the religious one), you are offeding those Christians. Nobody ever really talks about that.

I could be outraged by the fact that my Christmas celebration is being overshadowed by others that I do not believe in. Anybody else?
 
I'd rather not comment on this, for I would be banned for my insolence. (I do not yield to the PC...now or ever.)

But I do applaud this thread.
 
I'm having trouble figuring out how a Christmas tree is a symbol of Christianity. A nativity scene....I get that....but a Christmas tree?

Omg you and me both! i just just juuuust got this explained to me however, its like a symbol of eternal life because its an evergreen or something... still a little shakey on how that fits into Christian Symbolism but yeah.

Anyway I personally think its kind of a buzzkill to remove stuff like that for political-correctness reasons. I mean would anyone really mind if other religions put up decorations for thier holidays? So why cant we all put up decorations and whatever. I mean can anyone really be that annoyed about pretty lights? Maybe its just the political corrects over-worrying.

Probably oversimplifying but yeah.
 
goldenboy said:
I like Sarah Silverman. She's fun, heh.

Yeah, fun. I like her too... wink wink nudge nudge

The problem with this topic is not political correctness. It is very simply that faith needs not ceremony or idol to validate a personal believe in god. Jesus wasn't born on December 25th and celebrating it as such is completely disingenuousness.

Christmas time should be about coming together, not excluding those that do not hold the same delusions you do.

ho ho ho
 
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