Christos Gage interview

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EW: Can you talk about this new arc (the second-to-last one, to be specific) and where we find our heroes?
CHRISTOS GAGE: This is the one where the threat level really ramps up. Without spoiling some things that happen in issues that haven’t come out yet, the danger in our semi-final arc spreads out to affect the whole world. Our heroes are going to have to up their game to match it. In some cases that means working harder; in other cases it means allying themselves with people – or things that aren’t people – they normally wouldn’t want anything to do with. Whether it’s on TV or in comics, Buffy has always worked best when it reflects life stages most of us go through, but with a supernatural twist: high school, first love, first heartbreak, college, death of a loved one, etc.

For Season 10, it’s really about that point where you go out into the world as an adult, even though you may not feel like one. You have to make decisions that you’d rather avoid, often with no obvious “good” or “bad” choice, and live with the consequences … often with huge ramifications for your life and the people you care about. There’s no one holding your hand and telling you what to do, and those who are usually have their own agendas you have to be wary of. In the midst of all this, you’re supposed to be launching a career, figuring out how to get past whatever neuroses, flaws and bad habits you spent your existence up to now acting on, and determining what kind of person – if anyone – you want to spend the rest of your life with. If that sounds like a lot of pressure, it is. For the Scoobies, it also happens to involve vampires, Krakens and mushroom people.

How have you felt the characters of Buffy and Spike specifically evolve throughout your journey with this comic?
That’s the whole reason we thought it would be interesting to have Buffy and Spike pursue a relationship. They’re very different people than they were during Season 6. Of course, in a lot of ways, that just presents a new set of challenges. And that’s what I really love about the Whedonverse comics. You can actually have the characters grow and change. It’s not like you have to return the toys exactly as you found them. Look at how Willow changed from season 1 to season 7. The fact that Joss encourages character growth is, to me, what makes this exciting!

I love the art that Megan Levans is doing in the recent issues. Has it been fun to write these monsters or demons and have her bring them to life in her art?
Megan has been wonderful — as has our regular artist, Rebekah Isaacs, and of course colorist Dan Jackson and letterer Jimmy Betancourt. They’re a murderer’s row of talent! For the arc we’re discussing, I gave Megan a whole bunch of monsters to design — new members of the Magic Council, among others — and she just aced it. Both Megan and Rebekah have an amazing facility for creating monsters that are weird and unearthly, but you can also see emotion in them, even if it’s just sheer evil or alien weirdness. That’s a rare skill, and a crucial one for this book. Hopefully the confidence I have in them comes across in the scripts. I know both Megan and Rebekah sometimes drop me a note to say they enjoyed a specific script, or bit, or character, and while I too rarely do the same for them, sometimes I’m so blown away by a page or a scene or a little detail (like the boots Andrew wears in the sewers) that even I remember to let them know.

One thing that I always loved about Buffy was that above all, it focused on family and friendship. I feel like we’ve gotten to see so much of that in the comic, which is part of why I really enjoy reading it. How much fun has it been to find new stories to tell?
Thank you! It’s the characters that bring us all back, isn’t it? We’re all very conscious of the fact that this is the first time since the TV show ended that the Scoobies are all together, so it seemed like a natural point of emphasis. Of course, the life stage we’re exploring — becoming an adult, forging a life for oneself and figuring out what it’s going to be — is an interesting one. That’s when many of us find ourselves drifting apart from at least some of our old high school and college friends, as we make different choices about what’s important to us going forward. That couldn’t ever happen to the Scoobies, though, could it? Is it possible the Big Bad of Season 10 is…adulthood?

Can you give me at least one thing to tease in issue 21?
How about a name? Satsu. And the return of Vicki the Vampire, Harmony and Clem.
 
Is it possible the Big Bad of Season 10 is…adulthood?

Pretentious much? Big Bads used to be badass vampires and politicians/sorcerers and zombie demon robots and gods and Buffy could punch them all in the face and most importantly we loved the crap out of it! BtVS was a horror and had enemies straight out of a horror. Instead of an adversary that's a metaphor we get a metaphor without an adversary. It's unimaginative and unsatisfying. On the other hand though, if adulthood is the Big Bad then vampires are pretty much dust.

On second thought...OK! Bring it on!

Of course, the life stage we’re exploring — becoming an adult, forging a life for oneself and figuring out what it’s going to be — is an interesting one. That’s when many of us find ourselves drifting apart from at least some of our old high school and college friends, as we make different choices about what’s important to us going forward.

So basically...season 6 and 8 and 9? Oh come on, not again... ( ;`ヘ´)

How about a name? Satsu.

SATSU'S BACK BITCHES!
I probably should not get too excited but gosh, imagine the possibilities! Buffy breaking up with Spike, or even better, cheating on him with Satsu - not sure even my cardiovascular system could handle all that salt. Or Willow and Satsu getting together just so there can be a character who slept with both Buffy and Willow. And since Dawn apparently wants to have sex with everything Buffy wants to have sex with and likes to wear kimonos.... No, but seriously, I'm looking forward to it, I was hoping for more Satsu for a long time.
 
Can you give me at least one thing to tease in issue 21?
How about a name? Satsu. And the return of Vicki the Vampire, Harmony and Clem.

Satsu returning?

Who thinks it's gonna be:

Satsu: Hey, Buffy.
Buffy: Oh, hey Satsu.
Satsu: So...you know you're not gay, right? I mean not even a little bit. I know we had sex a couple of times but that 'straight' label is well and truly fixed to you. Okay, bye!!
(Satsu leaves)

Or something along those lines.

🙄

In other words- a non-event. Either that or we'll have more jealous-ex syndrome.

I probably should not get too excited but gosh, imagine the possibilities! Buffy breaking up with Spike, or even better, cheating on him with Satsu - not sure even my cardiovascular system could handle all that salt. Or Willow and Satsu getting together just so there can be a character who slept with both Buffy and Willow. And since Dawn apparently wants to have sex with everything Buffy wants to have sex with and likes to wear kimonos.... No, but seriously, I'm looking forward to it, I was hoping for more Satsu for a long time.

Any and all of this would be good but the more the 'Buffy and relationships' arc thing goes on the more it screams 'missed opportunity' to me.
Maybe the writers will skillfully use Satsu's return to illustrate something about how Buffy has regressed in terms of relationships.

Healthy, no-strings one night stand. No badness.
Sex with god-vampire. Apocalypse. Lots of people die. Major badness.
Sex with deeply neurotic/whinny/insecure vampire. Sure to end well. 😉

They won't, because who needs drama in a relationship apparently, but it would be nice if they did.

Yeah, and I was deeply weirded out by the whole 'Dawn had a crush on Angel' as well. I thought it would've been nice if Dawn and Buffy had had completely different types. I thought that Dawn found the whole Bangel histrionics ('crazy, crazy' as she told Riley) to be a really strange thing that she didn't really get. *sigh*
 
In other words- a non-event. Either that or we'll have more jealous-ex syndrome.

You're probably right. Still, season 10 has surprised me once, hopefully it will surprise me again.

They won't, because who needs drama in a relationship apparently, but it would be nice if they did.

I don't believe that a relationship needs drama to be entertaining - it just needs to be entertaining to be entertaining. I don't know, the problem I have with Buffy/Spike right now, aside from the obvious issues presented in the comic ( lack of trust, slayer/vampire, etc. ) is that, for goodness' sake, those two have known each other for over 10 years! This isn't even the first time they're together and...they act nothing like people who've known each other this long and this well. I mean, as friends they were all easy and cool and and fun and full of trust towards each other, they start sleeping again and instantly turn into this blond ball of neurosis and insecurity.

Yeah, and I was deeply weirded out by the whole 'Dawn had a crush on Angel' as well. I thought it would've been nice if Dawn and Buffy had had completely different types. I thought that Dawn found the whole Bangel histrionics ('crazy, crazy' as she told Riley) to be a really strange thing that she didn't really get. *sigh*

Dawn was supposed to be THE normal person and I don't know, it's like the comics are turning her into a total weirdo. Giant/Centaur/Doll, memory shenanigans and now this - if there's one character whose potential has been completely wasted in the comics then it has to be Dawn.
 
Maybe the writers will skillfully use Satsu's return to illustrate something about how Buffy has regressed in terms of relationships.

Healthy, no-strings one night stand. No badness.

Healthy? Are you sure?

Let's see.

Buffy used for sex (!) someone who truly loved her. Then kindly suggested that she should stay behind.

Satsu slept with her boss once, and the very next day thought she had the right to second-guess her in public, and not follow orders.

Going to Japan:

Satsu: How many girls you want to bring?
Buffy: All of them.
Satsu: You sure that's a god idea? We should probably leave behind a squad as a safeguard.
Buffy: This isn't up for discussion... I gave you an order. Get moving.

Later, in Japan:

Buffy: You may not understand... why I do what I do... but I need you to follow my orders anyway.
Satsu: You want me to stand down?
Buffy: No. I want you to lead. The girls here who knew Aiko – they're pretty shook up. I'm not taking them into battle. I need you to stay here and look after them. And I need you to help them bury Aiko.
Satsu: You want me to stand down. You said I'm your best fighter...
Buffy: That's not what this is about.
Satsu: You know I'm your best fighter... so you're either leaving me behind to avoid me or protect me. I don't know if I should be hurt or touched, but either way... I'm not following your orders. Not this time.

Buffy said Satsu was her best fighter, so I believe it was the first choice: “to avoid me”.

And back to the future:

Will Satsu join the Scoobies with Kennedy – not because she is “the other lesbian” - but because of Deepscan?
 
Yeah, and I was deeply weirded out by the whole 'Dawn had a crush on Angel' as well. I thought it would've been nice if Dawn and Buffy had had completely different types. I thought that Dawn found the whole Bangel histrionics ('crazy, crazy' as she told Riley) to be a really strange thing that she didn't really get. *sigh*
Wasn't Dawn also the one who prefered Riley for Buffy because he didn't make her cry like Angel did? Or something along those lines in S5. Nothing like a good retcon to get a story going. And we are what...surprised by that?
 
Healthy? Are you sure?

Yes I'm sure. The Buffy/Satsu thing is the definition of a one-night stand where both parties know what they're getting into (it isn't Buffy/Parker or Buffy/Spike, not even in the same league those two).
Satsu knew that Buffy didn't love her so therefore she wasn't being 'used' (Buffy warned her before hand).

They had a nice thing (twice) and then they ultimately part company on good terms- no bitterness (there is some jealousy later on because hey, Buffy's having sex with Twilight, so I'm not surprised).

By any estimation (never mind Buffy's terrible track record with her vampire boyfriends) then their one-night stand can't be seen as a negative- because neither of them ACT like it was. They accept what they had and move on.

I think Willow's right, vampires (even vampires with souls) are basically static characters. They don't really move on in terms of motivation/personality. Angel is still a guilt ridden mess, making mistakes because of that guilt and Spike is still all about the girl - just depends on the girl.
 
Healthy? Are you sure?

Let's see.

Buffy used for sex (!) someone who truly loved her. Then kindly suggested that she should stay behind.

Satsu slept with her boss once, and the very next day thought she had the right to second-guess her in public, and not follow orders.

Going to Japan:

Satsu: How many girls you want to bring?
Buffy: All of them.
Satsu: You sure that's a god idea? We should probably leave behind a squad as a safeguard.
Buffy: This isn't up for discussion... I gave you an order. Get moving.

Later, in Japan:

Buffy: You may not understand... why I do what I do... but I need you to follow my orders anyway.
Satsu: You want me to stand down?
Buffy: No. I want you to lead. The girls here who knew Aiko – they're pretty shook up. I'm not taking them into battle. I need you to stay here and look after them. And I need you to help them bury Aiko.
Satsu: You want me to stand down. You said I'm your best fighter...
Buffy: That's not what this is about.
Satsu: You know I'm your best fighter... so you're either leaving me behind to avoid me or protect me. I don't know if I should be hurt or touched, but either way... I'm not following your orders. Not this time.

Buffy said Satsu was her best fighter, so I believe it was the first choice: “to avoid me”.

And back to the future:

Will Satsu join the Scoobies with Kennedy – not because she is “the other lesbian” - but because of Deepscan?


Yeah I agree. It was far from being healthy imo.
 
Healthy? Are you sure?

On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being a completely healthy relationship, say...OK, I have nothing, doesn't exist in BtVS and 10 being your lover turned into a monster, tried to kill you, you send him to hell and your ex tried to rape you - you had consensual sex, then an argument, than sex again and then split in peace on good terms is still pretty damn healthy in my opinion. This is Buffyverse - it just doesn't get much healthier. And let's not pretend that Satsu didn't know what she was getting into, I mean, with a line like this:

Satsu: I mean...I know what this is. I know you didn't just...turn gay all of a sudden.

I think that Willow said it best:

Satsu:
You think I took advantage of her?
Willow: No-I definitely think there was some two-way advantage going on there.
 
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being a completely healthy relationship, say...OK, I have nothing, doesn't exist in BtVS and 10 being your lover turned into a monster, tried to kill you, you send him to hell and your ex tried to rape you

For an one-night-stand, it wasn't “healthy”, at all. If you want a no-strings night of sex and fun, first of all you don't sleep with the subordinate that is in love with you, just because “it's been a slow year”.

you had consensual sex, then an argument, than sex again and then split in peace on good terms

They split because Buffy made sure to promote Satsu to cell leader - lucky Buffy that

1. she was an amazing warrior and not an average Slayer, otherwise it would be awkward for her to simply tell Satsu to stay in Japan;
2. Satsu took the hint and accepted the promotion.

Satsu: You think I took advantage of her?
Willow: No-I definitely think there was some two-way advantage going on there.

Yeah, and why when Kennedy went to Japan to run a performance review - which Satsu didn't like at all, like she was different from others just because she slept with the boss - the girl was still pining over Buffy?

Kennedy: Because I wanted you to know you're not the only fool to ever wrinkle the sheets with a straight girl.
Satsu: It wasn't' just wrinkles. It was true love.

**

Kennedy: My advice lose the cinnamon lippy gloss you lid on her and trying kissing someone who can give you their heart. Not just their body.

**

Kennedy: Not the hei-guess-what? You-turned-me-gay-speech you were probably hoping for, huh?

The one who is to blame is Buffy, who once more used someone who loved her (and who was her subordinate) knowing that nothing serious would come from that.

Buffy: It seems I realize I made a mistake too late to keep from hurting the people I care about.

And those who care about her. Same pattern. 
And back to the future again, I thought that Satsu could arrive in San Francisco with Kennedy, because the two of them know each other, and maybe the Scoobies will ask for help - more Slayers to fight the Big Bad. Kennedy has a team who works for hire, but I believe she would help if Will asked her to. And I think Sastsu can't afford to travel from Japan to the USA - although for these people money seems to grow on trees.
 
For an one-night-stand, it wasn't “healthy”, at all. If you want a no-strings night of sex and fun, first of all you don't sleep with the subordinate that is in love with you, just because “it's been a slow year”.

If Satsu is willing and able then why the hell not? Buffy is not Parker- she tells Satsu straight up that 'if you love me, then that's going to get you killed' and so on. She warns her but then...the inevitable happens. One of the best nights of Buffy's life. And Satsu's too.

Pretty. Darn. Healthy. No regrets.

They split because Buffy made sure to promote Satsu to cell leader - lucky Buffy that
1. she was an amazing warrior and not an average Slayer, otherwise it would be awkward for her to simply tell Satsu to stay in Japan;
2. Satsu took the hint and accepted the promotion.

Yeah, its a one-night stand, not really a relationship, so what's the problem. As 'break-ups' go its one of the least angst-y, least problematic. This is a good thing. It's actually pain-free and healthy.

Compared with the misery and tears that Angel, Riley and (especially) Spike have produced then

Yeah, and why when Kennedy went to Japan to run a performance review - which Satsu didn't like at all, like she was different from others just because she slept with the boss - the girl was still pining over Buffy?
Kennedy: Because I wanted you to know you're not the only fool to ever wrinkle the sheets with a straight girl.
Satsu: It wasn't' just wrinkles. It was true love.
**
Kennedy: My advice lose the cinnamon lippy gloss you lid on her and trying kissing someone who can give you their heart. Not just their body.
**
Kennedy: Not the hei-guess-what? You-turned-me-gay-speech you were probably hoping for, huh?
The one who is to blame is Buffy, who once more used someone who loved her (and who was her subordinate) knowing that nothing serious would come from that.

Buffy: It seems I realize I made a mistake too late to keep from hurting the people I care about.

And those who care about her. Same pattern.

Nothing here denoted 'unhealthy', just a little thing called 'relationship drama'. Satsu isn't shocked, or disappointed by her lack of future with Buffy- Buffy gave her fair warning. Kennedy saying something tactless does not indicate that it is correct.

I like the fact that Satsu has a backbone when it comes to her and Buffy- she doesn't mope and whine, she accepts but does what she wants. This is, again, healthier than either Riley or Spike have EVER been.
Please, I mean, Riley was an insecure mess by the end and Spike has no spine when it comes to standing up to Buffy or calling her on her bullshit.

Basically if you think this mild stuff is unhealthy how the hell can you ship any other Buffy-relationship? 😕
 
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