Cordelia Becoming a Demon

actually cordelia was changed into half demon to help survive the visions just because jasmine manipulated events to get to earth doesnt mean that a human can withstand the visions i mean look what it was doing to cordy. skip even mention if she went back to her body she would lie there unable move unable to speak until the next vision hit her then she would die. look at tammy from that episode the visions killed her actually they blew the back of her head out. and the whole jasmine's essence being poured into cordy i dont believe that, because jasmine whole plan was to get back to earth i really doubt that was the case or else perhaps it would have been mentioned jasmine existed in cordy. also cordy was dieing from the visions her cat scans proved that. the whole becoming part demon was so she could withstand the visions and so she could be less human so when she got to the higher planes she could be infected. oh and on another note i noticed that someone said that cordy's transformation was more demon essence than her being half demon i doubt that because skip would have said that perhaps than saying she needed to become part demon to keep the visions.


But... wasn't Skip (loved Skip, BTW!!!!) *fudging* the truth a bit? I mean, I understood that his telling Cordy that if she went back into her body & couldn't move or speak & then she'd die was just a fabrication, to manipulate her ... to put her in POSITION for what Jasmine was trying to accomplish. Like... Skip was a tool for Jasmine, to put Cordy in place, to begin *the plan*. Because later on, didn't Angel and Skip fight it out... because Skip slipped up & said something that Angel caught onto - and the real truth finally came out. Course by then, it was too late (for Cordy).

Somebody please correct me if I'm remembering wrong... LOL... I'm in a marathon of Buffy viewings, in S-7 right now, & plan to start an Angel marathon as soon as Buffy is over...so I won't be watching that particular eppy where Angel & Skip fight for quite a while. 😀
 
botd body and soul are not irretrievable?
When Buffy was brought back she had body and soul.

One of the problems of the Cordelia to Jasmine thing, it seems that Cordy was done then at a later stage the Jasmine thing was tried to be explained, but it wasn't done very well.
 
Skip... not a dupe

But... wasn't Skip (loved Skip, BTW!!!!) *fudging* the truth a bit? I mean, I understood that his telling Cordy that if she went back into her body & couldn't move or speak & then she'd die was just a fabrication, to manipulate her ... to put her in POSITION for what Jasmine was trying to accomplish. Like... Skip was a tool for Jasmine, to put Cordy in place, to begin *the plan*. Because later on, didn't Angel and Skip fight it out... because Skip slipped up & said something that Angel caught onto - and the real truth finally came out.
Did the real truth come out?
Here's the thing; Wolfram & Hart acknowledged that Angel & co. screwed up with world peace and kept them in business. Go team Angel!

Was Skip the bad guy? Was he simply an agent for a rogue PTB?
Did he let his charge get taken simply to allow Cordelia to recover from her Wolfram & Hart arranged mind attacks so that she would later be able to ascend? Or was something else really going on?

We know why the Beast was set loose on Wolfram & Hart, to begin eliminating the most evil influences on earth. I'm sure the other branch offices would have followed soon.

Could Jasmine's power have easily swayed most of these people to her cause just like the rest of the populace? Did Wolfram & Hart have a way to prevent such a thing happening and that is why the massacre occurred? Did they need to die or was the real main goal to eliminate the conduit all along, with the employees as simply collateral damage?

The Oracles were slain by the Beast to prevent the other PTB from interfering... why? If Jasmine was bringing world peace then is there something else going on with TPTB that possibly isn't quite so benevolent?

Who sent the Mohra demon and why? It doubt it was Wolfram & Hart, they wanted Angel around since he was a major player. I also doubt it was the work of Jasmine or her agents since that would ultimately prevent her emergence. So who? Someone with a personal ax to grind? Was the plan all along to weaken defenses since the Mohra demon stated that together they were powerful and alone they were dead - benefiting neither Wolfram & Hart or Jasmine. Is there a third party involved unknown to anyone? And are they ultimately good or evil?

Are TPTB aligned with the Senior Partners? Are they the Senior Partners? Are they the remnants of the Old Ones working against the Senior Partners? We know from Jasmine that TPTB really don't care that much about humanity.

Was Angel given missions via visions simply to keep him otherwise occupied and out of Wolfram & Hart's way? Much like Jasmine (in reverse), what was the saving of a few "inconsequential" people when it is the endgame that matters.

Skip knew Billy should not be released (who put him there?) and that doing so was for the benefit of Wolfram & Hart and ultimately for Jasmine. Yet, he took the dive. By whose orders? No release would have ended with Cordelia's death. Bad for Jasmine. If Wolfram & Hart were behind it, why put him there in the first place? For Angel to "rescue"? Kind of pointless to kill Cordelia if she was a distraction for Angel in helping the helpless. To make him take one more step towards their side?

Skip gave Cordelia a choice to turn her back on that vision thing, give her a normal life and everything she could want. So, I have to ask myself why she was given the choice to begin with? By whose orders? And what benefit? Why did Skip make the offer when it had no benefit for Wolfram & Hart, Jasmine or TBPB?

I would say that all the evidence points to another party involved and I think there are no true good sides in the triangle. It seems Skip was a player in all camps. Skip... not a dupe.
 
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