Dangling plotlines and loose ends ( lets try and tie them up)

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There are two more days until the final finale of Buffy. but most of the question, and plotline will not be answer in the only "one hour" finale.

what didn't make sense to you in season 7, what made you say "WTF".
were there things that wasn't mention that should have been? things that were mention that didn't make sense? story arc, that was drop, or people that were introduce one way, and turn out to be another.
what did you noticed that made you your spider sense tingle, and only to be let down, because it drop or didn't make sense.

So guys and you help me out? by either mentioning a plotline, or
answering one. ok.😉





Kit and Carlos:
They made an big thing about Dawn starting highs school, and
introduce her two new friends as "KIT and Carlos". Yet, Kit and
Carlos are never seen again. what do you suppose happen to them?


Did we ever figure out who left the talisman in the ladies bathroom
in *Lessons*?


In "selfless" we are shown "two" buffy. one in black and one in white. the one in black tried to kill Anya. but the the first evil (as Buffy) always seem to where black as well. could that have been the first evil Buffy, or could have been two dimesion?

why did Wood burried Jonathan? and why are there no records of wood, prior to him going to sunnydale.In "first
date" Willow mention that to Buffy, but for some reason, no one asked why,nor check it out. it was never mention again.


Is that the real Giles, than why did he tell buffy about the bringer
attack the first time he came? also why haven he contact his spirit guide, or people to try and help?


Dawn attack in CWDP. Joyce vist Dawn in CWDP, and Dawn was attack by something. Why? why was Dawn the only one attack in CWDP? and by what?

Was that really Joyce, or the first evil in Cwdp.

why does Spike attack Giles when the Scoobies have already found out he is not the FE. he tells that Anya has told him he was the First, that doesn't make any sense...

Beljox Eye's said the first was back, because the slayer lives. so what cause the problem in the slayer line?


in "showtime" the first evil told the ubervamp to kill everyone
but "Her". who did he mean by her?


What did you think Spike mean when he mentioned to Xander in "STSP" that he should hang onto his ticket because he would be needing it again?




Did D'Hoffyne send someone to kill Anya?

Why did D'hoffyne change his mind?

Willow turned into Warren. why?

Was that Amy, or the first evil?

Who put the trigger in spike. was it the first evil, or did he just act upon it.

Giles tells Willow "it's all connected", so considering we recieved a crossover between Angel and Buffy this year, could you connect the two shows, besides the amulet and sunnydale folder.





next?😕
 
that's a lot....some of them are indeed loose ends...some of them, hmm....i thought they were answered....like the one with "why did willow turn to warren" or something like that. didn't she change into warren because of the guilt or fear of what had happened or something like that? eh, i must be babbling now...
 
Originally posted by Spike's Princess
There are two more days until the final finale of Buffy. but most of the question, and plotline will not be answer in the only "one hour" finale.

what didn't make sense to you in season 7, what made you say "WTF".


Kit and Carlos:
They made an big thing about Dawn starting highs school, and
introduce her two new friends as "KIT and Carlos". Yet, Kit and
Carlos are never seen again. what do you suppose happen to them?
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I think thre was some mention of Kit leaving Sunnydale quite early on in the season. Maybe they're setting up for Dawn the Vampire Slayer in a different city?
 
don't act like a git. these are all tied up, dealt with, don't matter, or are just plain obvious.

the first can't physically touch things. that sentance alone debunks half of your theories.
 
frellion- back up and be polite

1.i think they were story fillers nothing more
2.i dont think so(im not sure)
3.neither i think it was a mental insight to buffys job having to kill anya for what she did and the fact that the part of her that is just a person didnt want to
4.he was under the influence of the first his idenity was hidden for his safety from both the council and the vampire that killed his mother
5.dont know
6.buffy was attacked by her conversation piece who was a vampire that she killed at the end as for joyce you decide it was one of those things that are left to the perception of the viewer
7.same as above
8.im not clear what he question is
9.im not sure but i think it is because of when she came back the
first time the first was able to slowly bring forth the apocalipse
since there was an unbalance in beteen the powers and now the
imbalance is so much greater to the power of good that it dosnt
matter evil cant even compare any more the support for my
theory season 3 buffy amends the first says the
apocalipse has started in season 1 of angel the oricals say the
end of days has begun wich is the apocalipse setting up battle
so in both shows the apocalipse has taken years of setting up
10.buffy
11.i dont really recall the comment
12.no
13change his mind about what
14amy casted a spell that worked off of willows guilt for taking human life which made her take the form of her victum
15.it was amy and her bitter revevge
17.the first placed the trigger in spike and spike acted apon it
1that was the whole point
13i dont think he did killing hellfreck was more pain to anya then killing her therefor making it a more sivere punishment

this question is mostly opinion there are very few facts on any of it
my opinion
there are severial indacations to angel and buffy being soulmates
in angel- he called out buffys name druring mind sex with cordy when angel captured cordys spirit guide and was going to go kill cordy in the past angel had said that he loved cordy infront of everyroom in the room the guide kept saying angel was in love with cordy angel did not say it all of a sudden he fell short everytime he couldnt say it he would only insinuate it ??????????
i think his loving her was nothing more then a spell that was broken but he didnt want the guide to know it was broken
the keeper pf the name was able to read angels mind he overly used his love for conor as a weapon against him when he refered to cordy he only said you have lost the girl already he never tried to use angels love for cordy as a weapon because he was able to see he wasnt in love with her or why wouldnt he have tried to use it as a weapon???????????????/
on buffy she said i loved angel more then i will ever be able to love anything in this world so that is a reference saying that she will never be able to love spike as much
buffy season 3 amends the first reveals that it was the power that brought angel back from hell it says this is why we brought you back (so it implys that it isnt olone) the purpose of killing buffy but since he didnt angel was going to kill himself but when he went out sunrise was blocked by a power that was more powerfull then the first i think that was jasmine i think the two were working to gether on that but nothing went further on hat to support my theory
both b/a lives were set back to be more like they were in the begining angel-no son no possalilitys of beiing with cordy
buffy-dawn is pritty much grown up spike has died buffy is no longer consumed with the burden of being the slayer now theres a whole bunch
i think this is the setting up for angels finale next season for the two of them to be together i think willow being the only person who is able to restore his soul is an emphasisms that he still needs the ones he left behind in sunnydale

i hope this helps some
 
Was that really Joyce, or the first evil in Cwdp.
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Wasn't this answered in End of Days when Buffy had Xander try to kidnap Dawn and take her out of town?

CWDP-Joyce tells Dawn "Buffy won't choose you". That seemed to turn out to be true, so it would seem it really was the ghost of Joyce giving Dawn a legitimate warning.

Beljox Eye's said the first was back, because the slayer lives. so what cause the problem in the slayer line?
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That's a damned good point. They really should have tied that one up.
 
the eye thing was probably referring to buffy's revival in bargaining.. it took the first a season to come around LOL

and they never did tie that wood thing up... he buried jonathan knowing about the seal, and he came in that one time with a bloody knife (what was he killing?)

cliff
 
half of those are easy to answer with little thought

For instance, wood buried jonathan most likely cause the first told him it was there, rememner, he walks, stops, turns around and goes to find him and in First Date, when it appeared as Nikki, Wood acted like he had seen it before...

The disruption was cause by buffy's resurrection, I still think that when she was resurrected, she was reinstated in the slayer line, disrupting it... if they had killed her before killing faith and the potentials, the line would be back on track

it was obvious that Spike put the talisman in Lessons, remember he was hiding in the basement, and the ghosts were hiding him... he probably did it while insane, at least i got that impression

when spike goes after giles, it makes sense... he had been under pain from the chip for hours and he just had an operation, probably he overheard anya while in the effect of the chip, and thought giles was the first

D'Hoffryn wanted Anya dead, but he wanted her to suffer first, probably he expected the first to kill her sooner, but when it didn't happen, he started sending assassins...

Alot of those loose ends aren't even loose ends... a couple of seconds thinking and you got the answer
 
The disruption was cause by buffy's resurrection, I still think that when she was resurrected, she was reinstated in the slayer line, disrupting it... if they had killed her before killing faith and the potentials, the line would be back on track
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You know what? I agree with you, but I can remember after Showtime people were arguing this point till they were blue in the face. If we were right, a lot of people were wrong. I think Joss should have helped us out and cleared this point up.

I'm thinking maybe he wanted to leave this controversy open so people would continue talking about it after the series died.
 
I dont know about the whole slayer line thing it has to dame many exsplinations to decide on one. . .
In Peace out Jasmine says "remember when you found out that you would play a big part in the apocalipse but you didnt know if you would be one the side of good or evil
what ep. is the proficy in?"

Side note can someone help me Im trying to do a montage but i have no idea how too does anyone know the name of a program that i would need to use or a web site that could help me Please and Thank-you
 
two other dangling plotlines... VERY IMPORTANT

1. season six: Why could Spike hit Buffy? Chip didn't work on her... os what was up with that?

2. Why could the First appear in Buffy's form? She's was not dead at the moment. (This seems like a very important one to me, since the First seemed to take shape in Buff's form frequently... pretty much the whole time)
 
SpikedBuffy, both of your questions have the same answer: When Buffy died and came back to life, she wasn't completely the person she was before... I think she was a little less human (humans are not supposed to come back from the dead!). Even if a tiny bit of DNA was the only difference, it would still have a (possibly large) effect.
 
Some answers to Spike's Princess' questions:

Kit and Carlos were 'one-shot characters'. They served their purpose and were gone. We see it all the time in TV shows. People who show up, play a role, then dissapear.

The talisman was probably put there by the bringers or some similar evil force. Why? Probably because of the Hellmouth, to stir it up or something similar. It was a filler episode and didn't really serve any huge plot purposes. It was just done.

Buffy tried to kill Anya because Anya killed a bunch of people. A Slayer slays. No mystery, no First, no alternate dimension Buffy, just a Slayer doing her job.

Wood buried Jonathan because, well, he was dead. Wood knew about the Hellmouth and having a corpse lying on it couldn't be good thing. Also, having a bunch of cops poking around a center of demonic energies might not help matters. As far as him not having a 'past' on official record it was just to make him more mysterious. We weren't supposed to know whose side he was on yet so this and the thing with Jonathan were used to make him seem a little more sinister and cloud our views of him.

Giles did tell Buffy that the bringers were on the offensive. He probably didn't tell Buffy about their attack on him because he was busy trying to stop the end of the world. Also, we were supposed to think he was the First, and if he let the cat of the bag it would have spoiled the fun.

The Dawn thing is a bit of a mystery. It could have been Joyce. Buffy sent Dawn away before the final conflict, essentially she didn't chose to have Dawn stand with her against the First. Alternately it could have been the First trying to create a little more distrust among the group. Dawn wasn't really attacked though, she had a chance to leave, even. This could have been the First trying to stop Dawn from hearing what Joyce had to say, or just a really good show on the First's part to make it's message in Joyce-form seem more important. Either way it doesn't really matter, so you can probably just pick which ever explanation you like better and run with it.

I personally don't recall Spike attacking Giles. It could have been that he hadn't heard yet that Giles wasn't the First, or that he was under the influence of the 'trigger'.

Buffy's return from the grave caused the flaw in the Slayer line and allowed the First to attack. It was never really explained what the flaw was, but since it's all meta-physically-type stuff it would have just been a made up magical mumbo jumbo answer that didn't make any sense and that no one could have understood anyway.

The 'her' that wasn't supposed to be killed was Buffy. In the First's plan Buffy had to die last. The reason for this is most likely that she is the cause of the 'flaw' in the Slayer line and if she had died it would have ruined the First's plan to wipe out the Slayers.

Anything Spike said around the time of "Same Time, Same Place" would obviously be a little, um, different. He was insane and the only one who could see Willow. It's even possible that he may have been speaking to Willow and not Xander. Off hand I don't remember the exact part you're asking about, but regardless, if it didn't seem to make sense, it probably didn't. Spike was nuts after all.

D'Hoffryn didn't try to kill Anya he just killed Halfreck because it would hurt her then left her a mortal. He knew she would eventually die, either by the First, time, or some other factor, but he didn't actually try to kill her.

Willow turned into Warren because Amy cast a spell on her.

It was Amy, not the First. Amy may have threw her lot in with the First, but if so it was never stated.

The First put the trigger in Spikes head via brainwashing.



Answers to SpikedBuffy's questions:

Spike could hit Buffy in season 6 because when Buffy came back, she came back 'wrong'. Buffy thought that perhaps she didn't have a soul, but it was just that she was slightly physically out of phase with the tune of the intergalactic harmony of the balance of the universe (okay that wasn't entirely accurate, but close enough. Tara explained that Buffy wasn't in tune with the world somehow when they brought her back, it was all just mystical mumbo jumbo though.).

The First could take the form of anyone who has experienced death. Buffy had been dead so the First could take her shape. He could also take Spike's shape who wasn't dead, just undead.
 
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The First could take the form of anyone who has experienced death. Buffy had been dead so the First could take her shape. He could also take Spike's shape who wasn't dead, just undead. [/B]
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Well, then maybe they shouldn't have played Anya's quote so much in the 'previously on Buffy'

"We're talking about a demon that can be any DEAD person it wants"

There is a difference between DEAD and WAS DEAD BUT ALIVE AGAIN.

I think that it was just a common mistake by the writers that probably really shouldn't have been overlooked.


Also~~~ Didn't Tara tell Buffy (I think in Doublemeat Palace?) that she had looked at the spell again and everything was right. Buffy came back fine? I'm not sure... but I think so. It just seems very strange.
 
They knew that The First could be any dead person it wanted. They didn't know that it could be any previously dead person it wanted (Buffy and Spike are examples of this). They hadn't seen the First take Buffy or Spikes shape until afterwards. What the characters know and what we know are two different things. Anya was just stating what they knew and it was the best direct quote they had so they used it, even if it was slightly inaccurate.

Buffy did come back 'fine'. Tara said she was still Buffy, she still had Buffy's soul and wasn't a monster in Buffy disguise. However, in some insignificant way Buffy was out of tune with the world on a physical level, so Spike's chip didn't read her quite the same way anymore. She was still fine, just a little mytically out of whack. Tara actually explained all this in detail (sure it was meanless mytical drivel with out any real world meaning, but it was detail all the same).
 
Didn't the First appear as Glory and Adam in Lessons?

What's the story there? One was immortal and the other was only partial living matter. (Did Adam have a soul, by the way?)

Poetic license, maybe?
 
Adam and Glory were both alive and the both died. Glory may have been immortal but she was trapped in Ben and when Ben went, so did she. Even if she's still alive in some form or another she experienced death as much as Spike and Buffy have. Adam was alive, even if some parts of him were metal. Buffy pulled out his power source and the living parts, stopped... well, living. No real mystery there.
 
Yeah there's a lot of plot holes in the season, and sadly I have to make up my own plot devices to fill the void. From my perspective, I assume the First Evil had a agent, or a Bringer, place a talisman in the bathroom. It conjured up 3 spirits that resented Buffy, and blamed her for their deaths. One of the spirits screwed with Dawn in the classroom so she would most likely head to the bathroom. They pulled her into the basement as a hostage to get Buffy to go down there, primarily to meet up with Spike. I also feel that the First wanted Buffy and Spike together, and feel for each other, just so in the end it could trigger him and destroy her confidence again, ripping the two apart. She did afterall, gain her confidence back when Spike spoke to her in the empty house in "Touched". They relied on each other in a way. Yeah I'm looking way too deeply, but if Whedon and co. would of explained things more clearly this year, I wouldn't have too. I hope it all eventually gets resolved on Angel, or a spin off, or even in Season 7 commentary or interviews. I just want closure. I did really enjoy the season though....but better execution would of helped.
 
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