Did Angel make the right choice?

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What did you think about Angel deciding to leave in "The Prom"?? Me? I have a LOT of complex opinions!: erm :

I was very upset that he was leaving and at the time I hated that he chose that moment to leave!::huh1::

I knew that he had to go because it was the 'right thing to do" much as i didn't want to admit it! If angel stayed- he would make it harder for buffy and himself!

Last thing- if angel had never left- thered be no "Angel" TV show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So....whats YOUR opinion???
 
As much as it pains me to say it, Yes he did the right thing. Buffy herself admitts that in the same ep. It didn't turn out all rosy for either of them but I think Angel needed to define himself on his own, get his own identity nd well the situation with the curse was dodgy to say the least.
 
yes, Angel did the right thing...leaving town and making space for Spike! 😉

ok, ok, yes, i'm a Spuffy, but seriously, i do think that Angel leaving Sunnydale was the right thing for him to do. he knew that there was no future for Buffy if she decided to stay with him, and staying in town knowing that they couldn't be together would have been too hard on both of them. with both of them in the same town, trying to work together to save the world, they would have become destracted and probably would have both ended up dead.

by moving to LA, Angel was able to continue on his path to redemption without risking Buffy's live with unnessecary heartache.
 
Besides, him leaving kept the whole storyline from becoming too much like that little skit Cordy and Wes did about the relationship:

Cordelia: Lemme break this down for you, Fred. (Being Buffy) Oh, Angel. I know that I am a Slayer, and you are a Vampire, and it is impossible for us to be together, but --
Wesley: (Being Angel) But my gypsy curse, and our hot little loins, sometimes prevent us from seeing the truth. Oh Buffy --
Cordelia: Yes, Angel?
Wesley: I love you so much I almost forgot to brood.
Cordelia: And just because I sent you to hell that one time doesn't mean we can't be friends.
Wesley: Or possibly more?
Cordelia: Gasp! No! We mustn't! You'll lose your soul!
Wesley: To hell with my soul! Again! Kiss me!
Cordelia: Bite me!
Angel: How 'bout you both bite me?

Snicker snicker.
 
white avenger
white avenger
You mean that was supposed to be funny? And all this time I thought they were dead serious!
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Bangelxx
I loved that moment in angel! its sooo true!
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DarklyDreamingDrusilla
That part cracks me up. And my friends say "I love you so much I almost forgot to brood" whenever we talk about angel.
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TrueVengeance
LOL I loved that moment! One of the best! I can't remember what episode its from though
palabravampiress
palabravampiress
Yeah, that part is hilarious. That "I love you so much I almost forgot to brood" line is totally quotable. lol.
Out With The Old, In With The...Not So Old

yes, Angel did the right thing...leaving town and making space for Spike! 😉

The whole Angel leaving/Spike arriving thing might or might not have been a plan by Joss & Co from the very first to give Buffy a second vampire lover, but whether it was then or just developed that way over the months and years, it was a stroke of pure genius. the Spuffy/Bangel debate has been going on strong since before "Something Blue," through "Chosen," and on into Angel, Season 5. The cookie dough/ "No you don't but thanks for saying it..." element was just icing on the cake, and the cherry on top is Joss refusing to give any sort of closure to the biggest triangle since Marc Antony/Cleopatra/Julius Caesar. We'll argue about this until our grandchildren drag us away from the debating tables, and we'll never change our minds one iota.

Pure genius, plain and simple.
 
The only reason I would say yes, would be that we got an extra 5 seasons, that we would have never received if he stayed in Sunnydale.
 
I know, sometimes i thats the only reason that I'd say yes too- but really- he did what was right, and that was to leave 🙁
 
I say yes he made the right decision. I mean, yes, they were madly in love, but love isn't always enough. Everyone kinda had a moment of growing up in season 3 and this was Buffy and Angel's; seeing the harsh reality to their relationship, that there is no way it can last.
I love Bangel as I'm such a romantic, but even I saw that when he left it was the only possible way it could end. It just couldn't go on. Buffy and Angel came from different worlds and to keep it going while Buffy aged- at the same time as Angel being old enough to be her ancestor and yet never aging- never able to go out into the sunlight. All of it would only drag one or both of them down. Angel loved her enough to make the hard decision to leave Sunnydale.
 
ooh, i just watched the Prom Today. such a good episode! Oh yeah, he made the right decision. Once he moved to LA he became so much more than just the 'boyfriend', so much more interesting and so much more complex. I love LA Angel.
 
palabravampiress
palabravampiress
Very true. Angel was way more interesting on his own show.
I think he made the right decision...Meh, I had an explanation but as I wrote it down, it made less and less sense.
 
I am torn on this issue.

I feel like it was the right decision for the good of the show. Angel was a much more interesting character on his own show than he ever was on Buffy (except when he was Angelus on Buffy, which totally rocked). The Angel/Buffy thing was already played out. I mean, they'd given into their passion, she'd sent him to Hell, he'd come back and recovered, and they were trying the platonic thing. It could have become some endless cycle of high-drama make-ups/breakups (like Sonny and Carly, for all you GH fans out there). I think it still had some life left in it, but not much. I loved AtS, I loved the way that their relationship with one another influenced their future relationships. It was right for the show(s).

That said, I'm not so sure it was the right decision for the characters - or, more specifically, I'm not sure it was made in the right way. I mean, Buffy had all of those abandonment issues from the situation with her dad. Those were clearly exacerbated - intentionally - when Angelus was cruel to her after the Buffy/Angel sex. So what did Angel do? He abandons her. He makes the decision for both of them and acts on it against Buffy's will. Real smart. That has always grated on me. It was really crappy of him not to give her any sort of say at all in the decision. I think there were still a lot of things that they could have tried in order to make it work. I think he owed it to her to at least examine their options together. If they still decided to break up after that, then fine. I think Buffy would have been able to handle that better. But the way he did it was wrong. It had a hint of Angelus to it, actually, in that it totally and kind of cruelly preyed upon her personal issues and insecurities. I believe that Angel's intentions were good, but I really hate the manner in which he chose to act on those intentions.
 
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Bangelxx
Yeah! well said! i think that pretty much sums it up!
I am torn on this issue.

I feel like it was the right decision for the good of the show. Angel was a much more interesting character on his own show than he ever was on Buffy (except when he was Angelus on Buffy, which totally rocked). The Angel/Buffy thing was already played out. I mean, they'd given into their passion, she'd sent him to Hell, he'd come back and recovered, and they were trying the platonic thing. It could have become some endless cycle of high-drama make-ups/breakups (like Sonny and Carly, for all you GH fans out there). I think it still had some life left in it, but not much. I loved AtS, I loved the way that their relationship with one another influenced their future relationships. It was right for the show(s).

That said, I'm not so sure it was the right decision for the characters - or, more specifically, I'm not sure it was made in the right way. I mean, Buffy had all of those abandonment issues from the situation with her dad. Those were clearly exacerbated - intentionally - when Angelus was cruel to her after the Buffy/Angel sex. So what did Angel do? He abandons her. He makes the decision for both of them and acts on it against Buffy's will. Real smart. That has always grated on me. It was really crappy of him not to give her any sort of say at all in the decision. I think there were still a lot of things that they could have tried in order to make it work. I think he owed it to her to at least examine their options together. If they still decided to break up after that, then fine. I think Buffy would have been able to handle that better. But the way he did it was wrong. It had a hint of Angelus to it, actually, in that it totally and kind of cruelly preyed upon her personal issues and insecurities. I believe that Angel's intentions were good, but I really hate the manner in which he chose to act on those intentions.

In regards to other possibilities available to them to try and work things out, what do you think they could have tried? pure curiousity here, not being smart🙂 and what you said about the manner in which he broke up her being cruel. I agree and disagree with it. I disagree because I don't there was any other way Buffy would have accepted what he was saying but I agree that it had a awful affect on her. I sometimes think it was worse for her in someways than losing him to Angelus and sending him to hell because he was choosing to leave her, while the whole Angelus ordeal he wasn't in control.
 
well if you think about it angel made the "smart" choice, even though it was really sad.. I think in the long run he made the right choice...
 
In regards to other possibilities available to them to try and work things out, what do you think they could have tried? pure curiousity here, not being smart🙂 and what you said about the manner in which he broke up her being cruel. I agree and disagree with it. I disagree because I don't there was any other way Buffy would have accepted what he was saying but I agree that it had a awful affect on her. I sometimes think it was worse for her in someways than losing him to Angelus and sending him to hell because he was choosing to leave her, while the whole Angelus ordeal he wasn't in control.

Things they could have done? Well, the main problem seemed to be that being with Buffy made Angel too happy. It wasn't the sex, exactly, that made Angel perfectly happy. We've seen him have perfectly good sex with other people. I'm trying not to be crude here, but I don't think it's the actual act of intercourse or even the sensation of orgasm that make Angel so happy that he loses his soul. I think it's what that means when he's with Buffy. For them, the vampire and the slayer, sex is the breaking down of all of the barriers that keep them apart. Chastity was the solution that they found not because Angel's some weird sex addict or something, but because as long as there was something between them, some part of happiness that they could never really have, then they would never be perfectly happy. The act of denying themselves a certain degree of intimacy made them less-than-perfectly happy. If they followed their hormones and gave into those impulses, though, then death would follow. Why? Not because of the sex itself, but because of the knowledge that there was nothing between them. At least, that's my understanding of their main problem as a couple.

The solution to that problem, then, seems to be to make sure there is always something between them. It doesn't necessarily have to be sex. They could have tried the long-distance thing. Believe me, that's no walk in the park. My husband and I did the long-distance thing for three years before we got married. They could have had a secret affair in which Angel could never be part of Buffy's family/friendly gatherings. No scooby meetings. No birthday parties. No Thanksgiving dinner. You get the idea. They could have tried sleeping with other people (casual sex, like with Parker) so that they could never really "belong" to one another exclusively. In many ways, this aspect of their story seemed very much like the story of a couple faced with sexual dysfunction or with the danger of passing on an STD. That being the case, they could even have stuck out their self-imposed semi-celibacy just as real life couples do when faced with this issue.

Truthfully, I think it entirely possible that the way things went last time would be enough to render any future sexual encounters tainted by that memory to the extent that they would never be "perfectly" happy again. Knowing that the possibility is there seems like it would make sex a lot scarier from then on out.

These are all things they could have tried -- or at least discussed. I'm sure there are more, too, but this is getting sort of long-winded. No solution is perfect, I'll grant you. And maybe the bulk of discussion should have happened off-screen since it's not exactly riveting dialogue, but it is a mature and frank discussion of their options, at least. It wasn't like Angel thought. It wasn't like they were either together and the world was doomed or apart and miserable. There were plenty of less-than-perfectly-appealing alternatives in the middle. I think he owed her a consideration of these options and a say in the status of their relationship, at least.
 
Kean
Kean
Interesting points...not sure I would have liked any of em! The old romantic in me dies hard! thanks for the reply though:)
Palabra, that was beautifully said. He bailed. Plain and simple- even despite the touching prom gesture with 'Wild Horses' playing in the background. It was immature, and cruel. You'd think someone who'd been alive that long would have a better understanding of that. Also, I really think that more interaction between the two characters would have taken place later in the series. Something akin to that which took place in season 7... And above all else, he dates some werewolf chick??? Argh... I mean I'm clearly biased having watched the show from the day way back when the first episode aired in Canada, and a huge romantic. But, that said, I liked Buffy with Spike towards the end and even earlier on a few of those back porch moments. I just feel that it was so unfortunate that the network troubles and Sarah's aunt and the Joss tension screwed up the moments where we could have watched the Angel/Buffy relationship continue to evolve a little more than a blonde chick's hair flowing on a dance floor or "... In the middle. I'd rather keep this one to myself." (somewhat off topic; but not entirely)
 
Yes, he made the right choice. I doubt that Buffy and Angel would have evolved as a couple over the years. I suspect that if he had remained in Sunnydale, his presence would have kept Buffy emotionally regressed.
 
Yes, he made the right choice. I doubt that Buffy and Angel would have evolved as a couple over the years. I suspect that if he had remained in Sunnydale, his presence would have kept Buffy emotionally regressed.

Not if he had treated her like an adult and worked on making decisions together. As I said in my previous post, they had options. He just didn't even allow for a dialogue to take place. He didn't even want to discuss those options. That's my main problem with it. He wanted to make the decision he thought was best and have that be that. I think that if he had treated her like an equal and given her equal say in the decision making process, she would have been unable to remain emotionally stunted.
 
I think he made the right choice. Buffy needed to move on. She needed to see if she fit into a normal life and having ties with Angel would have prevented that. She said it herself in the tunnel with him ''How am I supposed to stay away from you?'' Keeping up any pretense of a long distance relationship wouldn't have helped Buffy move on. Even as a Bangel, I can see at this stage in their life that they are too consumed by each other. It wasn't healthy for either of them. It was definitely that first love's dream that everything would be alright if they were together. But it wasn't going to be for them. They separated and became two different people. I'm adding this last bit as a pure Bangel response: but their love didn't stop it just matured 🙂
 
I have to admit that I'm a complete Cordy/Angel fan, but I've just watched Prom and don't get why A left...

I agree with the earlier poster that Angel going was best for the show, but if we leave that aside, I don't get why Angel & Buffy the characters felt they had to part...? There were problems (no jiggy, no kids, Buffy ageing) but these same problems existed for Cordy and Angel and yet Angel seemed to want to give that relationship a shot. And anyway, as a Slayer, did anyone actually expect B to have a chance to be in functional relationships, grow old, have kids etc?

Thoughts?

PS: Hi all. I'm new! Got Buffy 1-7 DVDs for xmas, and am rediscovering the joys...
 
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