I often think that the history with Oz made Willow turned gay but now I think that she always was a little bit lespian but Oz let turn this side of Willow outside. Without her experience with Oz she maybe would never become lespian. But in fact I love both Willows maybe the "new" willow more than the old one because she brings something new in something Scoobie gang.
Question Did Oz make Willow love girls??
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zobothehobo
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BuffyElevated
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Ok first of all the word is LESBIAN, not LESPIAN (I think you're getting it confused with THESPIAN). LOL And no, I don't think anyone ever drives someone to date anyone. I don't think Willow set out to be a lesbian; she just had a deep connection with Tara that she couldn't deny. It happens that way sometimes for people... People go their whole lives thinking "I'm straight" and then all of a sudden they meet and fall for someone of the same sex and it throws everything they know into a tailspin.
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HalloweenRain
Ripper is German and I think English is not his first language, I think some slack cutting is in order.
NY State of Mind
Cain
No offense Triple Sixes but somebody can't make somebody gay unless maybe they're serving a life sentence in prison or something 😛 ...they can sometimes help them realize the person is gay if thats what you mean
VisionGirl
Love your banner- one of my favorite AtS scenes! "Somebody get me a lawyer, because my civil rights have seriously been violated. Oh, I get it, I get it. You all can cater to the demon, cater to the dead man, but what about the black man!"
BuffyElevated
LMAO @ your banner!!
white avenger
white avenger
Oz had nothing to do with it, nor do I believe that it was actually any sexual orientation affirmation. Willow summed it up perfectly when she said, "It wasn't women. It was one woman. Tara." And that's all that I ever saw when I watched them, and all that I ever thought. Willow and Tara were two people who fell in love and who lived a very important part of their lives together. It wasn't about gender or sexual orientation, it was about two lonely people meeting and falling in love. That's why Willow and Kennedy never worked for me. Willow was lost and confused, very vulnerable and lonely. Kennedy did everything short of tearing her clothes off and... Well, let's just say that she was far, far away from anything resembling subtlety in making it quite clear that she was attracted to Willow, and, by her own admission, she always got her way. (I've often wondered what would have happened if "her way" had been Buffy or Dawn instead of Willow) Personally, I always assumed that at some point Willow just said to herself, "What the hell, we're all probably gonna be food for the worms in a matter of weeks anyhow. Might as well have a little fun in the meantime," and that's all that she ever wanted from the relationship...
... and it just occurred to me that I have drifted off of the subject again.
Anyhow. As I understand it, no one have their true sexual orientation changed forcibly by another. Straight, gay, or bisexual,you're pretty much born with it, you live with it, and you die with it. So Willow's experience with Oz didn't make her swear off of men.
It did, however, almost certainly make her swear off of werewolves.
... and it just occurred to me that I have drifted off of the subject again.
Anyhow. As I understand it, no one have their true sexual orientation changed forcibly by another. Straight, gay, or bisexual,you're pretty much born with it, you live with it, and you die with it. So Willow's experience with Oz didn't make her swear off of men.
It did, however, almost certainly make her swear off of werewolves.
NY State of Mind
lol she won't trust another werewolf again :p
Goby
Exactly!! I didn't see Tillow as a "lesbian" relationship. I saw it as two amazing people in an amazing relationship. (Just like Woz---I love Woz too)
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Black Eye Guy
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No, plus there was signs of it coming, which is why I also disagree with you WA, cuz it was Tara who made her realise it, but she is gay.
Back in season 3, we see Vamp Willow, and Willow comments on how she thinks Vamp Willow is gay, and the vamp is still similar to the person they were before.
Back in season 3, we see Vamp Willow, and Willow comments on how she thinks Vamp Willow is gay, and the vamp is still similar to the person they were before.
WileyDairyGnome
Strong like an Amazon
I don't think anyone can make a person gay, people are born gay or straight. With Willow, she probably saw herself as straight because that's what was considered to be "normal". I don't think Oz had anything to do with it, I think that when she met Tara, she started to realize her feelings toward women.
HalloweenRain
Balderdash and chicanery
Goby
I am so sorry for your sister's pain. Rape is horrific. I didn't understand until I was forced to deal with it (I was a sexual assualt counselor).
BuffyElevated
Your poor sister... Awww!! Makes me want to give her a big hug!
WileyDairyGnome
Strong like an Amazon
Oh, I'm not saying that a lot of people don't decide to be gay instead of straight, I'm sure that happens all the time. But in Willow's case, I think she was always gay (or maybe Bi), and just didn't know it until she met Tara.
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It's okay! I'm sorry I misunderstood you. 😛
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HalloweenRain
Oh! Okay, my bad. I misunderstood that then. Sorry.
Lol at 'lespian'. 😛 Oz did not make Willow love girls. I don't even see how that theory could make sense. If anything, Oz leaving Willow gave her a CHANCE to find Tara and realize she was into girls, too. 😉 Tillow all the way!
InsaneMystic
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...but it's written "lesbisch" in German, too. 😉
As for the question, I very much doubt that anyone can be "made" a sexual orientation. (The horrible example HR gave notwithstanding - that seems to me like her sis got turned away from guys due to the trauma, not really turned towards women.) I'm firmly on the "Tara just made her realize that she's gay" bandwagon... so I can chalk up Ozlow and Willander to "youthful experimentation", especially as Highschool Willow still was very wallflowerish and mindful of society's expectations.
(I do confess, though, that I'm clearly biased. I never really understood heterosexuality, so why a woman would go back to having sex with guys once she's experienced it with a gal will remain beyond me.)
BananaBuffy
Peanut Bear
I truly don't think that in any situation someone you dated before is the cause of you dating someone else. It's the same in straight relationships. If you date a guy who's the best guy in the world, when you break up with him it isn't because of you that you start dating a player even if it seems that way. It's experiences and situations that change people or just thoughts you have at the time.
We are who we are. This isn't something I have been raised to believe, I developed the mindset on my own. If someone is gay, they are gay. It's who they are, a relationship doesn't change that.
We are who we are. This isn't something I have been raised to believe, I developed the mindset on my own. If someone is gay, they are gay. It's who they are, a relationship doesn't change that.
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Well now I after I read your threads I have to addict something to my threat!
I think that someone can't change the sexual orientation.
But sometimes I think: Would Willlow still rest by Boys just like: "Well yes Maybe I find girls interesting too, but Oz is my big love and so it's ok just the way it is!" So would she turn her second site out if she still rested in a relationship with Oz?
I think that someone can't change the sexual orientation.
But sometimes I think: Would Willlow still rest by Boys just like: "Well yes Maybe I find girls interesting too, but Oz is my big love and so it's ok just the way it is!" So would she turn her second site out if she still rested in a relationship with Oz?