Discussion of 2.17 "Passion" - Aired 2/24/1998 (WB-US)
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I love this episode.
I have "Without Passion, we'd be truely dead" tattood on my back.
[More because it's something I agree with than because it's from buffy, but y'know]
I have "Without Passion, we'd be truely dead" tattood on my back.
[More because it's something I agree with than because it's from buffy, but y'know]
Passion
The Good;
Angelus's lyrical narration. Buffy and Joyce having 'The Talk' (you imagine one day Buffy will do the same with Dawn?). Jenny and Angelus' confrontation at the school. Buffy saving Giles at the factory. The twist in the tail.
The Bad;
It seems rather stupid that Buffy simply warns Joyce to keep away from Angelus, because that's going to keep her safe? In the past we're told that Angelus drove Dru mad by killing everyone she loved and nailing puppies to stuff. Here he just tells Joyce that he and Buffy had sex, doesn't even do it nastily. Although Will's fish aren't nice.
Best line;
Any and all of Angelus' narration. Plus Spike stopping Dru from helping Angelus "Not fair if he doesn't tag you"
Wheldon cliches;
Character death-1 (Jenny the 3rd recurring character to die)
Bondage-0
Knocked out-yep, Giles again
Shot-0
Women good/men bad-0
Kinky-dinky; Angelus/Spike/Dru
Questions and observations;
Wonderful scene where Jonathon and friend actually come into the library to borrow some books (reminiscent of the opening scene in Friends where they turn up at Central Perk only to find the couch taken for once). Surely Angelus doesn't need an invitation to enter a public area like a school? Or has Jenny done a spell to keep him out and the school motto meant it didn't work. Equally does the invitation rule apply to cars? Presumably Angel has also been to Giles' house in order to put Jenny's body in Giles' bed. We must assume Giles and Jenny have had sex before if she has a key to his place and he's not suprised to find her in his bedroom. Once again, roses don't seem to repel vamps in the Buffyverse. Does Joyce not question why the 40+ school librarian keeps popping around the house to see her teenage daughter? Willow collapsing into Joyce's arms is a sign of how close Joyce has become to the rest of the Scoobs.
Jenny is the 3rd recurring character to die, making it one every 10 eps or so, the shock and brutality of him killing her is awful. Giles knocked out again. Willow's dad is called Ira and he seems quite strictly Jewish. Willow says she's his only daughter, what about sons? I was always suprised fanficcers didn't make more of Buffy and Willow's sleepover after Willow finds her fish? If you can restore Angel's soul why not do that to all vamps? Although Buffy the Vampire Resouler is probably not such a good series.
10/10, running out of superlatives here
Killed by death
The Good;
Very creepily shot and the central concept is just terrifying. Love the scoobs at the end and the kids drawing. Cordy's funny scene with the security guard, Cordy 'helping' Giles with research. Best of all though is Xander's Dirty Harry style confrontation with Angelus.
The Bad;
Not much
Best line;
Angelus; If I chose to walk in there do you think for one moment you could stop me?
Xander; Maybe I couldn't. Maybe those orderlies couldn't. Or that security guard. Or those cops. But I'm kinda curious to find out..." (the coolest Xander moment ever!)
Wheldon cliches;
Knocked out; yep, Buffy
Character death;
Shot;
Tied up;
Women good/men bad;
Questions and observations;
Willie Garson is great as the security guard, he also plays Carrie's friend Stanford in Sex and the City (which SMG guest stars in). Love Cordy's high-heels and miniskirt. Buffy passes out. Willow's frog fear re-occurs. You wonder if Buffy had taken the concentrated flu virus would it have killed her, she's pretty tough? Or once again is Buffy saved by her friends and family where any other Slayer would have died. Slayer healing again.
Obvious similarity to Nightmare on Elm Street although I also think the demon rather resembles Kid Rock? (anyone else read the fanfic where Freddy Kreuger kills Anya and Buffy only to wake up strapped to the bed in a mental hospital with Buffy as his nurse?)
The first alternate Buffy played by Mimi Paley. She's ok but not as good as the little girl we'll see in season 5. Buffy's had a cousin called Celia, Aunt Arlene's daughter? Even as a kid Buffy played at being a superhero and attracted the supernatural. Again, isn't Joyce a bit suspicious about Giles' turning up at Buffy's bedside? Love the bit about the Scoobs playing doctor (anyone else share Cordy's sceptisim about Buffy's denials?).
10/10 up to the standard of late Buffy season 2 and you can't give much higher praise than that
The Good;
Angelus's lyrical narration. Buffy and Joyce having 'The Talk' (you imagine one day Buffy will do the same with Dawn?). Jenny and Angelus' confrontation at the school. Buffy saving Giles at the factory. The twist in the tail.
The Bad;
It seems rather stupid that Buffy simply warns Joyce to keep away from Angelus, because that's going to keep her safe? In the past we're told that Angelus drove Dru mad by killing everyone she loved and nailing puppies to stuff. Here he just tells Joyce that he and Buffy had sex, doesn't even do it nastily. Although Will's fish aren't nice.
Best line;
Any and all of Angelus' narration. Plus Spike stopping Dru from helping Angelus "Not fair if he doesn't tag you"
Wheldon cliches;
Character death-1 (Jenny the 3rd recurring character to die)
Bondage-0
Knocked out-yep, Giles again
Shot-0
Women good/men bad-0
Kinky-dinky; Angelus/Spike/Dru
Questions and observations;
Wonderful scene where Jonathon and friend actually come into the library to borrow some books (reminiscent of the opening scene in Friends where they turn up at Central Perk only to find the couch taken for once). Surely Angelus doesn't need an invitation to enter a public area like a school? Or has Jenny done a spell to keep him out and the school motto meant it didn't work. Equally does the invitation rule apply to cars? Presumably Angel has also been to Giles' house in order to put Jenny's body in Giles' bed. We must assume Giles and Jenny have had sex before if she has a key to his place and he's not suprised to find her in his bedroom. Once again, roses don't seem to repel vamps in the Buffyverse. Does Joyce not question why the 40+ school librarian keeps popping around the house to see her teenage daughter? Willow collapsing into Joyce's arms is a sign of how close Joyce has become to the rest of the Scoobs.
Jenny is the 3rd recurring character to die, making it one every 10 eps or so, the shock and brutality of him killing her is awful. Giles knocked out again. Willow's dad is called Ira and he seems quite strictly Jewish. Willow says she's his only daughter, what about sons? I was always suprised fanficcers didn't make more of Buffy and Willow's sleepover after Willow finds her fish? If you can restore Angel's soul why not do that to all vamps? Although Buffy the Vampire Resouler is probably not such a good series.
10/10, running out of superlatives here
Killed by death
The Good;
Very creepily shot and the central concept is just terrifying. Love the scoobs at the end and the kids drawing. Cordy's funny scene with the security guard, Cordy 'helping' Giles with research. Best of all though is Xander's Dirty Harry style confrontation with Angelus.
The Bad;
Not much
Best line;
Angelus; If I chose to walk in there do you think for one moment you could stop me?
Xander; Maybe I couldn't. Maybe those orderlies couldn't. Or that security guard. Or those cops. But I'm kinda curious to find out..." (the coolest Xander moment ever!)
Wheldon cliches;
Knocked out; yep, Buffy
Character death;
Shot;
Tied up;
Women good/men bad;
Questions and observations;
Willie Garson is great as the security guard, he also plays Carrie's friend Stanford in Sex and the City (which SMG guest stars in). Love Cordy's high-heels and miniskirt. Buffy passes out. Willow's frog fear re-occurs. You wonder if Buffy had taken the concentrated flu virus would it have killed her, she's pretty tough? Or once again is Buffy saved by her friends and family where any other Slayer would have died. Slayer healing again.
Obvious similarity to Nightmare on Elm Street although I also think the demon rather resembles Kid Rock? (anyone else read the fanfic where Freddy Kreuger kills Anya and Buffy only to wake up strapped to the bed in a mental hospital with Buffy as his nurse?)
The first alternate Buffy played by Mimi Paley. She's ok but not as good as the little girl we'll see in season 5. Buffy's had a cousin called Celia, Aunt Arlene's daughter? Even as a kid Buffy played at being a superhero and attracted the supernatural. Again, isn't Joyce a bit suspicious about Giles' turning up at Buffy's bedside? Love the bit about the Scoobs playing doctor (anyone else share Cordy's sceptisim about Buffy's denials?).
10/10 up to the standard of late Buffy season 2 and you can't give much higher praise than that
Eleftheria
Scooby
That episode was fantastic...Angelus' speech about Passion...so dark and so true...i am in love with the scene where Angelus is in Buffy's room while she is sleeping...I mean he had the chance to kill her...but he didn't...he drew a portrait...the way he puts his finger in her hair...i think Angel is obsessed with Buffy whether he has a soul or not 😉 Just notice the way he looks at her from afar in Bronze...oh dear God!!!
i liked the scene where Angelus tell Joyce about the night he and Buffy made love...Joyce was so shocked...poor Buffy..."he was the first...i mean the only..." that really touched my heart!
Jenny's death followed by Willow's tears and Buffy's despair...that was scary...
what can i say? Joss is a genius!
i liked the scene where Angelus tell Joyce about the night he and Buffy made love...Joyce was so shocked...poor Buffy..."he was the first...i mean the only..." that really touched my heart!
Jenny's death followed by Willow's tears and Buffy's despair...that was scary...
what can i say? Joss is a genius!
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Carpe Spuffy!
It's in my top three. Absolutely excellent episode. One of the series best, in my opinion.
1. Tabula Rasa
2. Pangs
3. Passion
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1. Tabula Rasa
2. Pangs
3. Passion
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Wish Me Monsters
"Always and Forever"
This is yet another one of my favorite episodes, the voice over that Angel does is amazing because its true. Without the passion and drive we would be empty. But the death of Jenny was a big plot point I feel for Giles, also the quotes that come from each character through out the episode were priceless!.
This is my favorite non-comedy Buffy episode.
I couldn't even feel bad for Giles and Jenny b/c I do this thing where I sympathize with really well-written villains, and I was grinning with glee at Angel's "masterpiece" empathizing with his presumed feelings of quiet joy at his victory, and smirking wildly at the dramatic irony as Gilse made his way up the stairs.
I couldn't even feel bad for Giles and Jenny b/c I do this thing where I sympathize with really well-written villains, and I was grinning with glee at Angel's "masterpiece" empathizing with his presumed feelings of quiet joy at his victory, and smirking wildly at the dramatic irony as Gilse made his way up the stairs.
PrincessBuffy16
Scooby
Fredsicle
Joey Gaga
I loved this episode. I didn't care much for Jenny. Seeing Willow cry just broke my heart. I love seeing her cry, I don't know why. I think Angelus looked really hot in this episode. 10/10
BillyidolwannaB
Scooby
Passion was very passionate, tbh.
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Fredsicle
I couldn't have said it better myself. Well, I could, but I don't wanna steal your thunder. :D
PrincessBuffy16
Scooby
Joyce's face when Angel told her he and Buffy slept together.. I saw my mother in her face haha 😀
What's to laugh about that? Unless you're evil and then it's understandable
PrincessBuffy16
Scooby
I'm not evil. Just I guess every mother has the same face expression when they found out their 16 or 17 year old daughter slept with "student".
guitargirl
Townie
This is my favorite episode. Everything about it is just perfect. Angelus' narration throughout the episode is great. It's all so personal..passsionate. & I love it.
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Eleftheria
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Joan the Vampire Slayer
aw, i love your gossip girl icons!
Passion is amazing. The way Angel left Jenny's body for Giles to discover was horrifying, but what got to me even more was seeing him outside Buffy's house when she gets the news, watching. The way he looks on the pain he has caused and takes only undiluted pleasure in it gives me a really visceral hatred for him. And his narration...he's a sadistic monster with the soul of a poet, and in my opinion the best villain the show ever had.
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Carpe Spuffy!
This is one of my favorite scenes EVER in the show. Willow's breakdown is heartbreaking when she finds out about Jenny's death, and the look on Buffy's face is just so sad. 'Passion' is a incredible episode. It's definitely in my Buffyverse Top Five. Angelus is a such a great and capable villain.
If we could live without passion, maybe we'd know some kind of peace.
so true. Passion does rule us all.
Wild At Heart
This is so true & that is one of my favorite quotes.
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Eleftheria
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