Discussion of 8.13 "Wolves at the Gate # 2" 04/02/08 (Dark Horse)

I'm glad they remembered to call Buffy "ma'am" in this issue, because "everybody calls me 'ma'am' these days." was said in #1.
 
Kean
Kean
I love fics but I don't see how they explain Xander's actions when they are not canon
white avenger
white avenger
Canon or not, it was fun to read. Thanks for the link.
Keanoite said:
I love fics but I don't see how they explain Xander's actions when they are not canon
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While not canon, I've always saw fics as a nice way to understand canon. Canon is not going to explain what we didn't understand, it's fics that help us see the possible in impossible.
 
sosa lola said:
While not canon, I've always saw fics as a nice way to understand canon. Canon is not going to explain what we didn't understand, it's fics that help us see the possible in impossible.
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You're right. In this specific example, where we're probably never going to read those letters, fan fic can give us an idea of what such a correspondence might be like.
 
Okay, who else had their mouths WIDE open at the end of the comic? I know I did. I was like, WTF!

And btw. I'm kinda confused. Did that vampire bite the Slayer, or did he squish her face with his hand? (The one thing I hate about comics. You're not ENTIRELY sure what's going on...)
 
The Ferg said:
Okay, who else had their mouths WIDE open at the end of the comic? I know I did. I was like, WTF!

And btw. I'm kinda confused. Did that vampire bite the Slayer, or did he squish her face with his hand? (The one thing I hate about comics. You're not ENTIRELY sure what's going on...)
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I'm pretty sure he bit her. If he'd just squished her face, he probably wouldn't have switched into his vampface.
 
This issue was one of the best ones in my opinion. The whole Xander, Dracula, and Renee thing was great. Dracula is now my favorite character in season 8.
 
He was all vamped out before he even punched her... But anyway I guess I'm just weird like that to think he squished her face. I'm gonna stick with it though. It would've been badass to say the least.
 
I liked this one, but the Xander/Dracula realtionship was so ridiculous. It was very "forced-like".
I hate when they make things up on the spot. I was rolling my eyes for most of those parts.

A good issue, but had some major suckage. 🙁
 
I liked the Xander and Dracula banter. It was funny.

As far as the other stuff goes... I think it's too soon for us to speculate about what their relationship entails. Right now, we know they get along really well. That's about it. I'm willing to see where it takes me. And I'm not going to compare them to Angel and Spike, either. Just because Angel and Spike sometimes reach out of the TV screen and bop us over the head with the homoeroticism and the alpha male stuff doesn't mean that Xander and Dracula have to do the same. I'm tired of everyone getting in touch with their gay sides, darn it. I like it with Willow. I like it with Andrew. Buffy experimenting is a little out of character, but the aftermath was hilarious, so I'll deal. But if Xander starts boinking vampires, and male vamps at that, then I think I will give up on the comics. That's just getting a little too fan-ficky and out-of-character for me.

That said... why did Drac keep calling Renee a moor? It's been a long time since I brushed up on my Bram Stoker, but I don't remember him going around calling people moors. Also, what does it even mean? Is Renee of Arabian decent or something? If so, then Drac is just being racist again, which is in-character for him. If not, then... what the heck? Is he just making up words or something?

Also, why did Dracula mention risking his soul for those fancy powers of his?
 
"Moor": Moors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Considering that the Moors were allies of the Turks, whom Dracula (the real one) spent his entire life waging war against (and who held him prisoner for some time when he was young,) and that the original fictional Dracula was quite disdainful of the Turks, I wouldn't think his attitude too far out of character for a 15th-century ruler.
 
^ No. I get that. If he was being racist, then it makes sense. They even commented on his racism within the issue.

What I'm asking about is Renee. Is she even part of that ethnic group? I didn't get the impression that she was.
 
I'm not sure if Renee is a Moor (though it seems doubtful), but I think it was used simply as, kind of, screwball comedy. Effective.
 
palabravampiress said:
^ No. I get that. If he was being racist, then it makes sense. They even commented on his racism within the issue.

What I'm asking about is Renee. Is she even part of that ethnic group? I didn't get the impression that she was.
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From the drawings, I can't really tell anything about her ethnicity with any certainty. In some panels she seems to have been done with an olive complexion, while in others she's darker, and in others I can't tell if it's just supposed to be the room lighting. That earring she wears looks like a silver feather, which may hint at a Native American significance, but on the other hand, maybe she just likes it - my wife has a set of silver dream catchers with feathers that are some of her favorites, but I'm the one with the Cherokee ancestry. Far as I can tell, Renee could be anything or a mix of several anythings.
 
Come on people!! They have made several James Bond references and there is a black girl with short hair ala Halle Berry in Die Another Day.
 
RogueHunter said:
Come on people!! They have made several James Bond references and there is a black girl with short hair ala Halle Berry in Die Another Day.
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Didn't see that movie. I stopped watching them when they cast Remington Steele in the role. I mean, everybody knows Sean Connery is Bond... :whistle:
 
white avenger
white avenger
He's the best Bond in the movies, anyhow. Fleming's character has never actually been portrayed. And at least Brosnan was better than Moore.
palabravampiress said:
I liked the Xander and Dracula banter. It was funny.

As far as the other stuff goes... I think it's too soon for us to speculate about what their relationship entails. Right now, we know they get along really well. That's about it. I'm willing to see where it takes me. And I'm not going to compare them to Angel and Spike, either. Just because Angel and Spike sometimes reach out of the TV screen and bop us over the head with the homoeroticism and the alpha male stuff doesn't mean that Xander and Dracula have to do the same. I'm tired of everyone getting in touch with their gay sides, darn it. I like it with Willow. I like it with Andrew. Buffy experimenting is a little out of character, but the aftermath was hilarious, so I'll deal. But if Xander starts boinking vampires, and male vamps at that, then I think I will give up on the comics. That's just getting a little too fan-ficky and out-of-character for me.

That said... why did Drac keep calling Renee a moor? It's been a long time since I brushed up on my Bram Stoker, but I don't remember him going around calling people moors. Also, what does it even mean? Is Renee of Arabian decent or something? If so, then Drac is just being racist again, which is in-character for him. If not, then... what the heck? Is he just making up words or something?

Also, why did Dracula mention risking his soul for those fancy powers of his?
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Not really out of character cause Joss Whedon originally wanted to make Xander gay, but decided on Willow which is why they say in the beginning of the show they had gay references associated with Xander like the whole storyline with Larry in Season Two, and then also the little reference they made in Season 7 "First Date," where Xander was like that's it I'm going gay, Willow make me gay, gay me up or something like that.
 
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