Do you think Btvs is the greatest show ever?

I'm not sure it's the best show... a statement like that requires intimate knowledge about what is considered "the best" of television and some proof beyind feeling. To say it's the best of it's medium, you need to be able to back up that statement with someone wno's an expert on the medium or be an expert yourself. And if you're not an expert and only vacking up your opinion with that of a expert, you have to have some credibility to yourself. I have none of that. Buffy is my favorite shown and no show has ever made such an impression on me and touched and helped me the way Buffy has. I highly doubt that will change any time soon (as in the next few years).
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I'm not sure it's the best show... a statement like that requires intimate knowledge about what is considered "the best" of television and some proof beyind feeling.

There's a reason the title say "Do you think.." and not "Is Btvs the greatest show ever?". 😉 If one as me see a difference between best/good and favourite it may require some more thinking but if you like some see it as the same... Well then your decision probably is a lot easier to make. Don't have to be though.

Maybe Sco and I are in a clear minority in thinking the way we do in this case but I'm pleased with the answers so far.
 
Well, I would've said yes only because of personal bias and impact on me and my love of what SMG did in this series. However, there is one show that is so reminiscent of my own life and I think it hit all the right notes that I recently watched again and it never fails to hit me in the heart. I like heart in my fiction. Buffy had heart, but it was about so much more than that. The show I'm talking about was Dawson's Creek, which was all heart. Is DC the best show ever? Probably not, but to me it is. I've heard amazing things about Six Feet Under which I REALLY would like to get into. I thought Lost was very complex and exciting and I loved the characters but there was writing issues and games being played; otherwise I probably would've said it was the best (my love of "heart" in a series is why I loved the finale, though I still would've preferred a bit more closure with mysteries). What Zobo said I agree with.

I think there are moments in the show that are the best of TV when they happen. As a whole, I don't think it can get that title.
 
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Six Feet Under started really good and really flatlined.. I think it was Ball related.. I fear the same will happen with TruBlood..
If I had to, yes, I'd say it's the greatest show ever. It's difficult because there are different levels of great, and shows can be great for completely different reasons.

Still. No other show has stayed with me the way that BtVS has. As a child I loved it, and as an adult I love it for different reasons. I love it because of the characters, the underlying messages, the way that it's set in a complete fantasy world yet it speaks so much on real life too. I love it because there's SO much to love and every time I watch it, it feels completely familiar but somehow totally new too. I discover new things about it all the time. It makes me think, it makes me feel, it helped me through an incredibly difficult period of my life when few other things could.

I like this thread because it really made me think...I clearly love BtVS (I have two Buffy tattoos, for crying out loud) but I still had to think about whether I would declare it THE GREATEST SHOW EVERRR. And now I'm realizing, it doesn't even matter if I enjoy a show more than Buffy, or if I start to like it less over time, or if there are aspects of the show that I can't stand...this show has done so much for me emotionally, and that's all that really matters.
 
Well, I have a very hard time to decide what show is the best I've ever seen.

Buffy is surely up there among my all-time favorites but the very best... I just don't know it depends on my mood I guess.

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The only real fandom I belong to is Buffy. So it is definitely one of my favorite shows.

I also very much enjoyed Babylon 5. I think it was overall more consistent in quality than Buffy, especially if Buffy's last 2 or 3 seasons are taken into consideration.
 
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You have a lot of questions! 😛

I don't think it's the greatest show ever...I don't even know what show I'd consider the greatest show ever, lol. But it's definitely my favorite show, for the record.

I think BtVS is a very good show. Again, not the greatest, but it's very good compared to most television. I only really get irritated when people don't want to watch it if they're put off by the name of the show or something. While I don't think Buffy's the greatest, I think sometimes the good parts of it aren't taken seriously by non-fans, and that bugs me.
The best parts of BtVS (and AtS, by extension), for me, were the kickass female characters with actual depth (even if the feminist message was sometimes muddled and those characters weren't used as well as I'd like sometimes, it's more than most shows care to offer), the hilarious and whip-smart dialogue, and the writing itself. I honestly think The Body is the best hour of television I've ever seen. It's a bit cheesy, but I also find a lot of the themes in Buffy to be really inspiring. And most of the acting (apart from the first season, lol!) is excellent. SMG is my queen. 😛

Oh, I wish it were perfect, but it isn't. 🙁 Even then, it's fun to talk/debate about.
 
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Well I'm a curious type. ;)
To put it simply: I do not think that BtVS is the greatest tv show ever; but it is a tv show that I enjoy watching over and over.

In my opinion (and I wouldn't be surprised if this changed at some point) the greatest tv show ever is Friends. I Love it. The acting, the writing, the directing...I love it all.
 
I do think Btvs is the greatest show ever, for me. I have always enjoyed watching tv shows, but I've never LOVED and I cared about them the way I care about Btvs. Registering on a forum to talk about a show is something I've never done before and probably never will again (I tried to on a Glee forum a while back though, but I got bored), I'm just not as committed to other shows the way I am committed to Buffy. I can't really pin point what it is about the show that makes me love it so much, but it has something to do with the overall feeling. The dialogue is really witty, the overall plot is great, and the characters are amazing, but it's more of a.... You know how you can watch shows and feel like it has so much potential, but then the writers make one character say or do something that makes you feel like "Ok, they totally don't get it"? I've never had that happen with Btvs. Of course there has been things I haven't liked or agreed with, but I always felt like the show got it. It got me.
 
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I wouldn't call ANY show the ''greatest one ever''. It's always debatable. Now if someone asked me what is the show I like to watch the most, I'd say BtVS or Angel. Simply because they're so rewatchable. My opinion also change sometimes. I used to love this old French comedy show so much I thought I'd never like anything else the same. Well I was wrong, because then I found BtVS. 😉 So who knows if I'll discover an even funnier show later on?

One thing I can say though, is that when I first watched Lost I thought the storyline and characters were even more interesting than BtVS or Angel. That was mainly the first two seasons, though. But after doing a rewatch or two, I realized it's just not as enjoyable the second and third time around. 😛

In conclusion, to answer the OP's question, I don't think it's the greatest show ever, but it's freaking good, imo.
 
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Lost is like heroin... you're always chasing the "high" that was Season 1 and 2. In the end I felt cheap and dirty. lol
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It's probably not the greatest show (I leave that accolade to the Simpsons) but it is without a shadow of a doubt my favourite show. An assessment I arrive at by determining which show I enjoy the most and get the most out of.

Look at all the thriving debates we're having years after the show has ended? Think how much enjoyment we still get out of it to this day? There wouldn't be so much fiery debates over characters we didn't care about and we wouldn't care about them if they weren't believable and so well written.

What I love about BTVS is how layered it is. You can enjoy it on so many different levels. A kid can watch it and enjoy it simply for the action and the funny dialogue but equally a college student can psycho-analyze it and get something completely different from the exact same episode but enjoy it just the same. I love how every time I watch it I feel different about the characters, the story, the episode, I always find new meaning, new life correlation.

Oh, I wish it were perfect, but it isn't. 🙁 Even then, it's fun to talk/debate about.


I like that it's not perfect. Makes for a good debate. I love it so much and I see so much heart in it that it can afford the things I don't like.

Even then, it's fun to talk/debate about.

True that! 😉

One thing I can say though, is that when I first watched Lost I thought the storyline and characters were even more interesting than BtVS or Angel. That was mainly the first two seasons, though. But after doing a rewatch or two, I realized it's just not as enjoyable the second and third time around. 😛

Wow I was literally writing something to this exact effect. Watching Lost I thought this is real a contender for my greatest show ever but now after everything I don't get the same enjoyment out of a re-watch. It's a little flat, something BTVS could never be.

There are so many other shows I love; The Wire, Lost, 24, Tru Blood, The Sopranos, SATC, Dawsons Creek (*cough, embarrassing, cough cough*) but none have a hold of me the same way. I wouldn't join a forum for any of those because I don't have as much to say about em but I could never run out of words for Buffy.
It has depth, humour, horror, sexy ass vamps, love, a frickin musical for chrissakes! But above all it has such heart and that's what swings it for me in the end I guess.

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Incidentally, Empire made a list of the greatest TV shows of all time. Predictably and deservedly so The Simpsons stole the number 1 slot but guess what was number 2 above all the rest? You guessed it, BTVS! I was pleasantly surprised.

Here's the link

http://www.empireonline.com/50greatesttv/default.asp?tv=50
 
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It is one of my favourite shows ever, but it isn't the best. For me I doubt I'll ever watch a show that beats Battlestar Galactica (the remake), but btvs is the only fandom I'm a part of. As other people have said, the fact that there is a huge fandom this long after the show finished is amazing in itself. Probably my 2nd or 3rd favourite show ever.
 
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Saying it's the Greatest Show Ever and saying It's My Favourite Show are two different things as the Greatest Show Ever should be a vote amongst everyone in the world and we all have different opinions.

However, I'm here to say that currently..and I haven't been a fan for very long. But currently Buffy the Vampire Slayer is my favourite TV show of all time.

It can make me smile when I'm down (which is a lot) and it can make me sad when I'm just listening to an audio clip (which was proved last night as I listened to the Prophecy Girl Hellmouth Podcast and Bryan played the audio clip for Buffy's 'big scene'). I can relate to all the characters and watch the same episode four times in a row without getting sick of it. I think the acting is amazing and the show made Buffy-Boards possible which made some of my close friendships possible...which is great.

I find there's so many new things to get into when it comes to Buffy. There is Angel, the comic books, fan boards and websites, roleplaying, board games, books, dolls, CDs, podcasts...the whole lot. The universe just keeps on expanding and it makes me so excited to be a part of such an amazing fandom.

So yes, Buffy is my favourite show. All time, better than Glee, Pretty Little Liars, Gossip Girl....anything. But I could never say it's the Greatest Show Ever. It's the greatest show to me.
 
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Well said.
Ever since you created this thred, I just thought "I have to answer this when I have enough time to sing my Buffy-love!"
As many said, I wouldn't say Buffy is the greatest show, but it's most definitely, without any doubt, my favourite show ever!
I think to be called greatest, a show doesn't have to be just awesome, it also has to be popular amongst a huge amount of people. I'm not talking about, you know trend-fashion-phenomen kind of popular. I mean that if a show is loved by very, very different people and for very different reasons, it has a "greater" value.

What make Btvs great?
Hm, I'll start answering the other question to have an opinion that doesn't go in every directions! 😀
Story?
The story is great. Of course, if you dislike anything fantasist, magic, you won't necessarily like it. Many people just stop to that aspect and say they dislike the show. I think what's genious about Buffy is that the monsters are just all life metaphors. It didn't understood that when I was watching it when I was younger but then I started realizing that hey! If you think about it, it represent well the blablablabla people can encounter in life! So I think the story is really great. To me, it's not the story of some girl who kills demons. It's a story of life.
Dialogue?
Hell yes! I like myself some wit, some good dialogue, and Buffy provides me that. I like that it doesn't feel like they are pushing things to have great quotes all the time. Every single character has his very own idiosyncrastic way of speaking, and I really love how it makes each of them really unique.
Characters?
On the whole, I love the characters. They have their flaws, their good sides, and I can relate to pretty much all of them at some levels. I love that the characters aren't depicted in a manichean way. That's a very, very important point as I think there is too often the good guys and the bad guys. In Buffy, everyone is grey, and that's what I love the most. Also, I love how the characters are...complete. It's hard to explain, but I really feel there is more than an actor playing someone, there is a character that has an important place, they are very...nuanced. I remember the episode in which Xander confesses he slept with Faith. When Willow said "I didn't say oh 'cause I had already figured it out". At that moment, I thought that is was quite rare that I've got the feeling the character have some...pro-activity. They don't just wait for the rest of the story to happen to them. Everyone wasn't like "Oh my god Xander you slept with Faith that is suuuch a revelation", someone has already figured it out. I'm not sure you guys understand what I mean as I myself can't express it right 😀 What I mean is, you really feel the persona behind the character, they are not just pieces of the story, it's more like the story is a piece of them. I also love how much the characters develop. Pretty much every episode brings something to at least one character.
How the actors portray the characters?
That is also just amazing. I'm quite hard to satisfy when it's about acting. I can like a movie, a character, but thinking "It was nice to watch but I wasn't transcended by the acting, it was okay but not amazing". In Buffy, I'm most of the time very satisfied with the acting. It's just so real. Pain, laugh, surprise, anger...It's really well played. Even characters I don't really like are well played. I wasn't always satisfied with Michelle Trachtenberg, but she has had some "WOW, that was brilliant" moment. Sarah Michelle played amazingly every side of Buffy, wether it was teen-Buffy, bitchy Buffy, murderous Buffy, Cave Buffy, depressed Buffy, happy Buffy, post-post-mortem Buffy, catatonic Buffy, robot Buffy...She amazes me every time. And I'm about as satisfied with pretty much every actor. Buffy is excellent for their resumé, it's the show that proves their acting skills. They all delivered a great performance. I mean even character I disliked watching like Warren or Kennedy were played well enough in my opinion. On top of all, I'm overly satisfied with the hurt scenes. Most of the time, I think "Oh, those actors could have played pain better. That's not really well done". In Buffy, it's really well played. There was even a thread for that, for their real tears 😀
The chemistry between the actors?
Yeah, it's pretty good too. Andrew and Spike had a great chemistry, haha. The less chemistry I felt was between Faith and Spike, Faith and Wood and some of the greatest were Buffy/Spike, Buffy/Faith, Willow/Oz.
Special effects?
Well some effects are meh, or bad, and the stunts not always well done, but it improved. When I was sometimes watching Charmed for example I thought "Gosh, the effects are crap compared to Buffy". So, could be better, but I quite like them. I don't want it to be too special either.
The directing?
On the whole, great directing, and I'm not just talking about Joss-directed episodes. I think many episodes are mini-masterpieces. It often happens that I watch an episode and think "That is brilliant! That transition was well-thought. Oh, and this linked to that, awesome! Oh and that point of view, with that music, A-MA-ZING". It's those moments like in Passion that are so well directed that it increases the empathy. Like in Passions, when Giles sees the letter from Jenny saying "upstairs" and he smiles and climbs the stairs and you hear the music and when the music goes dramaticer and louder he sees Jenny and drops the bottle...It's, you know, an increasing tension and it's just brilliant. I also was in awe in I only have eyes for you, when possessed Angel and Buffy had the conversation the ghost needed to have, every time I'm like "It's so tragic and brilliant, what the ghosts say is exactly right for their own situation (like Buffy saying "You don't wake up and stop loving someone" etc...). So yeah, more than once I thought "The directing is just amazingly brilliant".
How hot the actors are?
I don't really pay attention to that. But I have a thing for Spike's unclothed body. And I love when Sarah Michelle Gellars seems to glow, literally (like in the last scene of the gift, she was like...shiny, inside and outside, you know. She looked like an angel).
Consistency in quality?
The quality isn't always on top, but I don't really mind because when it's good, it's really, really effing good!
The settings? The settings are okay!


So! Buffy is definitely my favourite show ever because it's the only one the satisfies me on so many levels. I love lots of show, but I always find something that could be better about it. Buffy is the only show I'm really in love with. It's a show that has a soul. It's about life, it's serious, it's deep, but in the same time, when you watch it, you don't feel like watching some drama. Buffy can make fun of itself. It's witty, funny, beautiful, life-changer in my case, and I'm getting a little teary whenever I talk about how much the shows means to me :tongue3:.
Amongst all the shows I love, Buffy is the only one that is a part of me. It's a part of my life, it shaped me, helped me, made me a better person, made me feel, laugh, cry, relate. It's like a star that will always shine into me.

So for those many reasons, Buffy is my favourite show in the world.

I know, I'm overly dithyrambic and biased. 😀
 
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In my lifelong television watching history, I have seen many shows that I thought were the greatest ever, until the next one came along. First it was Star Trek: The Next Generation, then Babylon 5, then The X-Files. The early 2000s were a dry spell for me, though they wouldn't have been had I been watching Buffy at the time. Now, I would say that Battlestar Galactica is the greatest show ever.

Buffy has huge holes in characterization and plot. It recycles old TV tropes like there's no tomorrow. Some episodes are downright bad. However, I've never been inspired by any other show this much. No other show has pushed me to join online fandom, to make fanvids, or write fanfic. I owe my whole online life to Buffy, and I wouldn't change a thing.
 
Buffy is my absolute favorite show, and I firmly believe it is the greatest show ever created.

When I watch Buffy, I see a message of inspiration, hope, empowerment, and struggle. Every character is beautifully crafted so that none are neither entirely perfect or imperfect. I, at least, can connect with every single character on at least a single level, but in most cases more. They are given problems, and overcome them in ways that speak to me. There are no monsters in our lives, but there are. The fact that BtVS takes a fantastical concept and is able to apply it to the lives of the fans in such a way that it both is and isn't "fantasy" is astounding. Every relationship, every character, every scenario is emotionally realistic and simultaneously a welcome break from actual reality.

Take "Normal Again" for instance (which I just watched today). No, the chances of any of us getting poked my a demon that induces hallucinations of alternate realities in which the one we live in is actually the alternate reality, but the idea is there for all of us. Reality is what we make it, and people have a tendency to see multiple realities. If someone you're all googly-eyed for says something, there are hundreds of ways to interpret it, and I know that I, at least, spend more than a healthy amount of time doing just that. In the end, most people end up choosing the interpretation that they are most comfortable with. Not necessarily the one they like most, but the one that reassures them or agrees with how they initially view the situation. So, like Buffy in "Normal Again," we are torn between realities, and what we learn is that it doesn't matter. What is real? Is real necessary for happiness, for survival? Buffy makes the conscious choice on one world over the other, not, I believe, because it's the "realer" of the two, but because it's the more important. We go with the realities that we care about.

It's situations like that that make Buffy such a great show. The fantasy aspect distances the situation from the viewer just enough so that the viewer can remain aware of the parallels, but the deeper reality *creates* those parallels.

All in all, Buffy is the best show ever because it's mixes fantasy and reality in such a way that it speaks to all on all levels. When faced with a situation, I really do ask myself "What would Buffy do?"

NOTE: All references to loving all the characters and stories etc do not include anything Kennedy or Killow related. I just don't get that.
 
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