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AndrewCrossett said:
My favorite one was when I was watching "Ghost Hunters," and a huge animated ad pops up blocking the screen... and the ad was for "Ghost Hunters."

It's also only a matter of time before we start getting commercial breaks in the middle of movies in the theater.
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That won't happen because of the price people pay for movies.

Its one thing for it to start like that - in fact there used to be an intermission that could have been an ad break, but movie-goers will never stand for 'ad' breaks, especially as there is always a 20 minute wait for the movie trailers to start!
 
Edmund Blackadder said:
That won't happen because of the price people pay for movies.

Its one thing for it to start like that - in fact there used to be an intermission that could have been an ad break, but movie-goers will never stand for 'ad' breaks, especially as there is always a 20 minute wait for the movie trailers to start!
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I never stop being amazed at what people will stand for. I never thought they'd stand for huge animated ads blocking the screen during their TV shows, either, or 20 minutes of commercials per hour.

You might not be able to do it with smaller, less commercial movies, but... would people really stay home from the next Harry Potter movie if there was a 5-minute intermission with commercials in the middle of it?
 
AndrewCrossett said:
would people really stay home from the next Harry Potter movie if there was a 5-minute intermission with commercials in the middle of it?
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Yes... Well, I would. With or without the intermission. But not the point I guess.
 
AndrewCrossett said:
I never stop being amazed at what people will stand for. I never thought they'd stand for huge animated ads blocking the screen during their TV shows, either, or 20 minutes of commercials per hour.

You might not be able to do it with smaller, less commercial movies, but... would people really stay home from the next Harry Potter movie if there was a 5-minute intermission with commercials in the middle of it?
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Does that happen on TV or is that on a new medium like the internet?

I have yet to see my show on TV be blocked by an ad AND 20 minutes of commercials per hour, thats not an issue at all because that is something that comes part and parcel with TV AND it doesn't affect the length of the show.
There is a difference between a commercial break at home where you at most pay a monthly subscription with something already established and going to the movies and having the movie stopped halfway through for adverts when you've probably paid around £30/$50 for you, a companion and snacks.

I don't care if its a small independant or the movie event of the millenium, there would be protests to that and the cinemas wouldn't wanna risk losing money, considering they already get a hefty sum for advertising before the movie - thats also why movie times are not the beginning of the film but the beginning of the adverts.
 
Edmund Blackadder said:
I have yet to see my show on TV be blocked by an ad AND 20 minutes of commercials per hour, thats not an issue at all because that is something that comes part and parcel with TV AND it doesn't affect the length of the show.
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I don't know if it's done that way, or even allowed on UK television. But in the U.S. it's very common to have both lengthy and frequent commercial breaks AND an intrusive animated banner ad that pops up shortly after the show resumes, that lasts for about 10 seconds.

These ads are almost always for other shows, and not for actual sponsor products. The channels do it so they can sell more of their actual commercial time to sponsors and use less of it promoting their own shows.
 
AndrewCrossett said:
I don't know if it's done that way, or even allowed on UK television. But in the U.S. it's very common to have both lengthy and frequent commercial breaks AND an intrusive animated banner ad that pops up shortly after the show resumes, that lasts for about 10 seconds.

These ads are almost always for other shows, and not for actual sponsor products. The channels do it so they can sell more of their actual commercial time to sponsors and use less of it promoting their own shows.
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The set up for a regular hour of TV in the UK on a commercial channel is:

Show starts at 7:02pm to catch the people tuning in at 7pm for the show. There will be a break at between 7:13 and 7:18 for about 4 minutes.
A 7:28 to 7:32 there will be another break of four minutes to catch people tuning in at 7:30.
At between 7:43 and 7:48 there will be another 4 minute break and the show will finish at about 7:56pm.

There is a variable of about 1 minute on each of these but the timings also run true for shows that run for 30 minute blocks.

I haven't seen any banners on British TV, but then usually the advert just after the end of part/end of show and before the next part/show starts is a TV show for that channel.
 
I dont know if anyone here watches conan but he had an hilarious skit a while back where he went 'into' the tv set and started attacking the little distracting adverts
 
Edmund Blackadder said:
Show starts at 7:02pm to catch the people tuning in at 7pm for the show. There will be a break at between 7:13 and 7:18 for about 4 minutes.
A 7:28 to 7:32 there will be another break of four minutes to catch people tuning in at 7:30.
At between 7:43 and 7:48 there will be another 4 minute break and the show will finish at about 7:56pm.
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A typical U.S. show here starts at 7:00 exactly, or sometimes 6:59 to screw with people who are trying to record it.

There are usually 5 commercial breaks during the course of the show, lasting 3-5 minutes each. The show is 40-41 minutes long.

Depending on the channel, there may or may not be animated banner ads on right after some or all of the commercial breaks. Some channels are worse about this than others; cable channels are usually worse offenders than networks. Sci-Fi Channel is one of the worst.

During the closing credits sequence, the credits themselves will be squeezed into a tiny corner of the screen and whiz by far too small and quickly to be read; another commercial plays in the remainder of the screen. The credits end exactly on the hour and the next show starts immediately.
 
Episode 1 - 4.8 million
Episode 2 - 4.3 million
Episode 3 - 4.2 million
Episode 4 - 3.5 million,

"Week two of DVR data showed .. 'Dollhouse' improved 29% from their original airings.. that roughly matches the premiere episode's DVR gain"
So not only were there not as many live viewings in week two, there were not as many DVRs either.
 
GrrrRruff said:
"Week two of DVR data showed .. 'Dollhouse' improved 29% from their original airings.. that roughly matches the premiere episode's DVR gain"
So not only were there not as many live viewings in week two, there were not as many DVRs either.
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Its all in the phrasing! 😉

30% up on the pilot makes 6.24mill...pretty decent. For episode 4, that makes 4.55mill, not even enough to compare with the pilots aired numbers...which themselves were surprisingly low.
 
Silum said:
Its all in the phrasing! 😉

30% up on the pilot makes 6.24mill...pretty decent. For episode 4, that makes 4.55mill, not even enough to compare with the pilots aired numbers...which themselves were surprisingly low.
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But if the viewers dropped from one week to the next, and we have confirmation that the week two DVR was not as high as the pilot, could you not extrapolate from the data that DVR's lowered as well. We really have no way of telling what the percentage of DVR's in episode four were, other than using the information provided and applying the same drop off with viewers to DVR.


edit: sorry if didnt make sense, was on conference call.. trying to talk, think, write and type at the same time..
 
The difference between 30% and 29% is statistically insignificant. Remember, this is based on sampling, not hard numbers.

What these numbers show is that the live viewings are shrinking, and the DVR viewings are shrinking at pretty much exactly the same pace.

29%/30% is an extraordinarily high DVR number, which suggests that the target audience simply doesn't want to be stuck in front of the TV at 9 pm on Friday. This is not a surprise. If Fox wants to save this show, they need to try moving it to a friendlier timeslot.
 
Sorry, i dont really know what either of you are saying 🙁

My point was. 30% on relatively ok numbers yeilds pretty decent numbers (were talking 1.44 million increase for the pilot).

With the crap numbers of ep4, we would hope for higher DVR, but no, 30% on that means only an increase of a million viewers by DVR. Meaning the crap numbers are still crap. DVR is not helping the Dollhouse cause
 
AndrewCrossett said:
What these numbers show is that the live viewings are shrinking, and the DVR viewings are shrinking at pretty much exactly the same pace.
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But that is the problem. It would be different if live viewing was slipping as long as DVR was accounting (or making up) for the loss, but if live viewing as well as DVR is dropping then the only excuse is it is due to the show.

If DVR drops, it's not because they were 'not home' on a Friday night, it's because they did not want to record it. That is the problem, and that is a very serious problem for the shows longevity.

The DVR numbers dropped as well. But again, it's speculation as to if they continued to drop as regular viewers did or not. We can only judge from two weeks.
 
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ok so were all saying the same thing lol
Silum said:
Sorry, i dont really know what either of you are saying 🙁

My point was. 30% on relatively ok numbers yeilds pretty decent numbers (were talking 1.44 million increase for the pilot).

With the crap numbers of ep4, we would hope for higher DVR, but no, 30% on that means only an increase of a million viewers by DVR. Meaning the crap numbers are still crap. DVR is not helping the Dollhouse cause
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Yeah, I am lost too.

I took it like

Episode 1 has 100 viewers plus 30%(of 100) which equals 130 viewers.
Episode 2 has 90 viewers plus 30%(of 90) which equals 117 viewers.
Episode 3 has 80 viewers plus 30%(of 80) which equals 104 viewers.

Yadda.

Can someone explain to me what the 30% is 30% of?
Is that a constant?

Also, have been up for 2 days straight so my mind is finding it hard to process numbers
 
GrrrRruff said:
If DVR drops, it's not because they were 'not home' on a Friday night, it's because they did not want to record it. That is the problem, and that is a very serious problem for the shows longevity.
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But the very high DVR numbers suggest that the show is in the wrong timeslot.

If it was in a better timeslot for the audience, the live-viewing numbers would increase and the DVR numbers would decrease, because more viewers would be watching it live. Moving some of those DVR viewers over into the live-viewer column would be an improvement from the advertisers' and network's perspective, right?
 
I don't get any of you right now.

First of all, about the DVR 'dropping' from the pilot to the 2nd epiosde...as I understood it, it's pretty normal for a show to loose some viewers after the first episode (which is sort of logical...some people might give it a chance and decide they don't really like it). Wouldn't that also make it logical that the DVR would be dropping? The fact that it's only 1% which is not really anything, like it has been pointed out already, is probably even good, since the actual premier viewing went down by like 10%.
And now about the ratings going extremely south last episode: as people have also pointed out, there was some sort of major movie premiering? I know we don't have any solid numbers yet, but if everyone who normally watches Dollhouse was away seeing that movie, wouldn't that mean it would be very logical for them to DVR it, which would get us enormous DVR scores, so more than 30%?

That's why I don't et why everyone is freaking out about this...
 
Edmund Blackadder said:
Yeah, I am lost too.

I took it like

Episode 1 has 100 viewers plus 30%(of 100) which equals 130 viewers.
Episode 2 has 90 viewers plus 30%(of 90) which equals 117 viewers.
Episode 3 has 80 viewers plus 30%(of 80) which equals 104 viewers.

Yadda.

Can someone explain to me what the 30% is 30% of?
Is that a constant?
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This is correct. The 30% is the increase over live viewers. It's been constant for the first 2 episodes, though there's no guarantee it will remain so.
 
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