Dollhouse Rewatch: Unaired Pilot "Echo"

VisionGirl

Newly Human
Joined
Aug 11, 2010
Messages
5,253
Age
57
Location
The Joycemobile
Sineya
Agent Ballard gets new wind in his investigation of the Dollhouse when he receives a photo of Echo. DeWitt and the handlers become nervous when the Actives begin to exhibit signs of self-awareness.
Source

OK, y'all, first of all I want to say that I kind of feel bad for including the unaired pilot, since the only place you can watch it is on DVD/Blu-Ray. It's not available on Netflix instant streaming or Amazon instant streaming. If you have the DVD rental option as part of your Netflix membership, you can see it (it's included in the Bonus Features of Season 1, Disc 4: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Dollhouse/70140383?trkid=2361637).

The little bit of background I was able to dig up about why this pilot was unaired is from the Dollhouse Wiki website:
"Echo" is the original pilot of Dollhouse, and it was written and directed by Joss Whedon.[1] Produced in April/May 2008, "Echo" contained the first footage of Dollhouse ever to be released to public. "Echo" was the first episode written and shot, but it was pushed back by Whedon to become the second episode because of "a few clarity issues for some viewers" and "also some slight issues with tone".[2] By October 2008, "Echo" disappeared from official episode listings, since it has been used for parts in other episodes of Season 1. It is therefore not considered canonical or part of the first season, but it was, however, included as a special feature on the Dollhouse Season One DVD.[3].
You can read more details here: http://dollhouse.wikia.com/wiki/Echo_(episode)

It's late and I'm tired, so I'm going to reserve my comments on the episode for tomorrow. Please feel free to discuss, and please remember to tag spoilers. 🙂
 
I wasn't even aware there was an unaired pilot until I saw it listed here, silly me! I'll need to have Netflix ship me the DVD so I can watch this episode. 🙂 Sounds like an interesting one.
 
I didn't know about this episode until today either.

I wasn't impressed though. Because it felt like they had taken parts and bits of other episodes to make it. I know it's the other way around, but having seen the rest of the serie already, it just felt weird to watch it. Also, I'm glad they didn't air it because I think it would have been very confusing if it had been the first episode.

Still, it was good. I like how they
showed 3 of Echo's "characters" right at the beginning.

I don't know if I'll ever watch that episode again (because I much prefer the aired first episode), but it was nice to see it.
 
I forgot to mention in my OP that I accidentally watched "Ghost" last night before I realized that I was supposed to watch "Echo" and that "Echo" was on the bonus features of the 4th disc, not at the beginning of the first disc lol! So I was able to compare them both as pilots a little bit.

I didn't know about this episode until today either.

I wasn't impressed though. Because it felt like they had taken parts and bits of other episodes to make it. I know it's the other way around, but having seen the rest of the serie already, it just felt weird to watch it. Also, I'm glad they didn't air it because I think it would have been very confusing if it had been the first episode.

Still, it was good. I like how they
showed 3 of Echo's "characters" right at the beginning.

I don't know if I'll ever watch that episode again (because I much prefer the aired first episode), but it was nice to see it.

I agree with you. I hadn't realized that I had never seen this pilot. I thought I had, but the first time I watched Dollhouse was on Netflix instant streaming, and I have since got the DVDs. I think I've read that some people prefer this over "Ghost", but I have to disagree. And not just because "Ghost" is more action-oriented. "Echo" seems choppy, like it's not a final edit or something. I think Joss was trying to tell too much of the story at one time, and it's honestly confusing. I have only watched Dollhouse once, so I tried & failed to remember which scenes in Ghost were from/used in other episodes. I am kind of glad I hadn't seen it before, and probably won't watch it again. The link I posted in the first post gives more detailed info about why the network asked for another pilot, and why Joss ended up agreeing with them. I have to say that I agree with everything stated on that page.

Here's some other random thoughts:
-"An active is the truest soul among us." I love this line.
-I love the extended pool scene. It's beautiful.
-"People are mostly crap" LOL
-"They're eating lunch. Thank God you called!" I love Boyd's dry wit.
-Man-friend!!! That's all I have to say about that. 🙂
-In general, Topher seems funnier in this episode than in Ghost.
-Topher's such a geek: Note the Whack-a-mole and the Incredible Hulk poster.
-Echo: "I am not nobody"
This line could easily serve as the theme of the entire series!
 
I wish I could have watched this as the first thing I ever watched of Dollhouse to have a fresh perspective. Having watched the show I don't question as much as I otherwise would have. This is not even the first time I've watched this episode. So it had been fun to see a newcomers reaction to this episode. Not that it would help them make sense of things once they watch the aired episodes. So in that respect I agree that the episode shouldn't have aired. If it had they would have to base the season on that episode alone not just throw it in.

The girl in the bar scene with Eddie must have been popular. Her scenes got cut but she came back to the show later.
She played Wendy/Caroline in Omega.
She's also in The Avengers. Coincidence or another one of Joss's favourites, even only in small roles so far? I'd say the second since she's in Much Ado About Nothing as well.

10 minutes in and we know a lot about how the actives function. Good or bad is a matter of taste. I quite like it. They show why the feelings/emotions are realThat's a "mystery" I don't need to wait for.

Moral discussion between Topher and Boyd. Everyone's programmed. Morality is programming too. Which is true to a certain degree even if most of us try to ignore that. Location (in the world), surroundings (both people but also area. Not like everyone in the western world for example have the same living conditions.), and religion are some things that influence us, makes us who we are, how we feel and think about certain things. The huge difference between regular people and actives is that we can "break free" from our programming which the actives aren't supposed to be able to.

Ballard and Echo meeting already. Who'd thought? Obviously he figures out that she's an active but I wasn't expecting what came next. Boyd not knowing either shows how shady the dollhouse is. DeWitt show real signs of morality. Clearly not comfortable with the kill order.

Seems Echo will be taken care of if she don't act as she's supposed to. Since they claim that the actives are volounteers is this something they are aware of? Doesn't seem likely. Not that they can complain. Talk about putting your life in someone elses hands.

Don't know much about Alpha or Saunders. My interest is peaked and I want to know more. Or would since I've already seen the show.
 
Okay here we go, be warned, this could get lengthy cause I rather like this episode and wish it would have been the aired pilot 🙂

So, the intro of Echo in the pool - perhaps symbolizing some kind of rebirth/innocence - and cut to Adele's speech which is both kind of moving and rings true at turns is lovely.
Then the cut to the 'reality' of what a doll is while Adele says the memorable "An active is the truest soul among us", and yet, when viewing this I feel her words are actually the opposite of what an active is.
The truest soul... but no, not really, 'it's the body we want' comes to mind here; they're not true souls, they're a tool, almost a machine, something to be aimed and used at someone elses whim. The 'trueness' of the Active is in the hands of whoever hired them, because once imprinted they're complete people, for a short time, and then they're just containers again. There's nothing that makes them a "true" soul at all in my mind.

I have to confess that I can't stand the bar scene. It's stupid, I don't care for it, Echo comes across as supremely unsympathetic and frankly her story is ridiculous and unbelievable. Who would listen to her? And who would hire her to do that gig? (later said to be pro-bono but I mean really, why would Adele sign off on that? It just feels like a way to make the use of 'dolls' more sympathetic but it's just silly and fails in that aspect)

I do like the idea of showing three imprints of the bat like that however, I just don't care for the execution of it. But the layout of the Dollhouse's motives and the Adele parts are brilliant!

The imprint in/out process in the share is brilliant too and very traumatic. But here's my though, everyone makes a big deal out of how dolls are a "blank slate", they're nobody... yet each time they're wiped they're "returned" to their doll persona i.e. Echo, Viktor, Sierra etc etc.... so they're not completely blank are they now. They're calm, they may not be informed but they always know who they are, suggesting in fact that these blank slates are in fact already a personality in and of themselves. They don't need to be told who they are when they wake up from "wiping", they already know...

I love the intro, I love the showing off of the Dollhouse and then big heart for Paul Ballard at the party (and Enver Gjokaj, so talented!), Paul's jaded speech on humanity is great as you instantly get a feel for who he is and what he believes and Viktor's "Yeah people are mostly crap" is hilarious.

Then hello Sierra. I feel as though the show is setting up three headliners - Echo, Sierra and Viktor, rather than only one... which is awesome! Only supported by the (hilarious) "they're a little bit bison"

It's a good show of Boyd and Topher, their roles and characters are also well portrayed, even if Topher comes across as somewhat naive, perhaps willingly so for the sake of the science.

Although I react to Boyd's "they didn't know what they were signing up for", I'm all on board when it comes to protecting the innocent dolls, these so called blank slates, but frankly speaking to claim that the people who signed up to be dolls didn't know what was going to happen... honestly, I doubt these people thought they would be drinking tea and cuddling puppies for five years. They're aware of the demands of the risks and they take it because clearly they're in some kind of dire state. They're not innocent children going in, I just feel that that's a good point to make before victimizing them too much here.

Love the set up of Paul Ballard as a real threat and Viktor as a doll. :heart:
The chemistry between Paul and Echo is great, you see something there, and I love both of their double cross. Love that he doesn't buy her act, even though her pretends to, and I love that he stirs something in her with "You're nobody".
Is it Echo we see take over for that split second? That's why when the imprint slides back in place she goes to finish the job? (I love her helpless girl act to get a car btw)

They slip in Alpha casually enough.

And then Topher and Dr. Saunders - brilliant set up. Clearly there's more than meets the eye when it comes to her character. Their different stand points in all of this is so well put and so understandable where they coming from (albeit she's far more sympathetic)

One last point though, Topher talking to Boyd not wanting him to stop Echo from finishing the job, the subtle threat of orders coming from on high and what would they do if he did stop the order... it doesn't feel like Topher. It feels as though no one better could say it so he had to but it doesn't feel like his character to me.

All in all, a good episode and I repeat, the one I wish had been the real pilot, despite the bar scenes. 🙂
 
@Taake said: I have to confess that I can't stand the bar scene. It's stupid, I don't care for it, Echo comes across as supremely unsympathetic and frankly her story is ridiculous and unbelievable. Who would listen to her? And who would hire her to do that gig? (later said to be pro-bono but I mean really, why would Adele sign off on that? It just feels like a way to make the use of 'dolls' more sympathetic but it's just silly and fails in that aspect)
Who did hire her for that job? I never quite got that. It was very interesting when Echo sees her at the hospital.
 
Who did hire her for that job? I never quite got that. It was very interesting when Echo sees her at the hospital.

I thought it was Dr. Saunders, Topher mentions that she uses the Actives for "pro bono" cases that she cares about and I'll buy that. I'm sure Dr. Saunders would do that. But I mean she would have to have permission right? So I don't really see why Adele or Harding and all the fat cats so to speak would agree to it... it just seems weird to me.
 
VisionGirl
VisionGirl
It totally makes sense that it's Saunders.
I've never seen this episode and I watched the series so long ago that I've forgotten most of the other episodes so this is like a brand new watch for me.

I like the opening scene which cuts between Echo in the pool and Adele talking to a client. What I like about it is that you get the feeling Adele is talking direcly to the audience. It pulls you into the episode and makes you a part of it.

Then cutting to the scene with Eddie trying to manipulate the blonde girl into doing something she really doesnt want to do. I dont think that's done by accident, going from the Dollhouse to that bar scene. I think its to show the similarities between the two things. Yes the Dolls agree to take part, there not innocent in that respect but there doing it maybe to help a loved one or their life has hit an all time low. And Eddie much like Adele manipulates these individuals into doing what they want. I liked Echo coming in. It was harsh but I thought it's what that scene called for.

Then seeing Echo's next two imprints and how different they were gave a good insight as to the range of characters and storylines that could take place.

I thought it was good that the Dollhouse is portrayed as this luxury hotel, with Spa treatments and gyms.

I loved the Ballard and Viktor scene. If I hadnt already known that Viktor was already a Doll I would have bought his act. I realise now how ironic his line is about wishing the Dollhouse was real so he could sign up. I also liked the scene with Echo, Sierra and Viktor. It led nicely to Topher's reaction to them sitting and eating together and the debate he has with Boyd.

The interaction between Echo and Ballard was interesting. I kept wanting them to just kiss each other! And then she shot him!!! Amy as Dr Saunder's is incredible, she's such a good actress. I wouldnt have minded this being the pilot episode.
 
Then cutting to the scene with Eddie trying to manipulate the blonde girl into doing something she really doesnt want to do. I dont think that's done by accident, going from the Dollhouse to that bar scene. I think its to show the similarities between the two things. Yes the Dolls agree to take part, there not innocent in that respect but there doing it maybe to help a loved one or their life has hit an all time low. And Eddie much like Adele manipulates these individuals into doing what they want.

That's not something I've thought about. Perhaps because it's an unaired episode but it makes sense. Good catch.
 
I keep thInking of when Echo was speaking Spanish- do we ever see an extended version of that? I just don't remember that engagement.
 
I keep thInking of when Echo was speaking Spanish- do we ever see an extended version of that? I just don't remember that engagement.

Unless my memory suck more than usual they don't use that engagement at all. As the bar and the wedding scene.
 
Back
Top Bottom