Donnie instead of Dawnie

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A question that has occurred to me a few times is how would the show have changed if Whedon had written in a surprise brother rather than a sister? Would this have been an absolute disaster, or sheer genius?

The kid would have exactly three male role models: Giles, Xander and of course Spike. It would have been very funny if the kid had started mimicking Spike.
 
That would have been funny to see Buffy's little bro mimick Spike and stuff. But I like the sisterly love between Buffy and Dawn. It wouldn't be the same if it were her brother.
 
I could definitely see it becoming something like Conner, but I don't think they would have written the character in that way. And a brother/sister bond can be very tight, I think that the brother would keep wanting to try and protect Buffy and would resent that he couldn't. I honestly don' think this was ever really a possibility, but I think its just one of those interesting "what if" type questions.
 
Definitely a Connor. Unless the roles were switched and Darla gave birth to Dawn, and Connor was sent to Buffy as the key. That would be incredibly interesting. Angel with a daughter? HAHA.
 
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Marisa
oh I can only imagine :p
I think a boy would have been worse than Dawn. A boy acting like her and being a key doesn't sound great to me.
Although it would be funny to see him interact with Spike. I like it the way it was.
 
I think a boy would have been worse than Dawn. A boy acting like her and being a key doesn't sound great to me.
Although it would be funny to see him interact with Spike. I like it the way it was.

That would be the point I don't see a brother acting the same way, it would have been a very different character, though being the would not necessarily have to change but other things would. Besides Xander keeps complaining that their are no other males in the Scoobie gang that understand so many of his allusions.
 
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Marisa
I was worried about it because if he was the key he would react some way and it would be weird to see it like Dawn.
Spike as a role model? lol okay....

No, I don't think it would have worked. Dawn is sort of "little Buffy". And I really don't see "little Buffy" brother instead of Dawn. Sister seems to make more sense. It's the combination between Buffy and sister that makes it work, what I don't see happen if Dawn were a boy. The interaction wouldn't work.

And I don't think he would have been like Connor. The fact that they're both annoying teenagers and might work out as a couple, doesn't mean Buffy's sister would be like Angel's son. There's no links there.
 
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ticonderouga
I agree about him not being like Connor
As much as she annoyed me, I liked Buffy having a sister. It made sense with the feminist angle and brought out the motherly/sisterly side of Buffy in a way that I'm not sure would be possible if she'd have had a brother instead. I loved the Simon/River bond on Firefly but I think that it wouldn't have been quite as effective for the kind of show that Buffy was.
 
A question that has occurred to me a few times is how would the show have changed if Whedon had written in a surprise brother rather than a sister? Would this have been an absolute disaster, or sheer genius?

The kid would have exactly three male role models: Giles, Xander and of course Spike. It would have been very funny if the kid had started mimicking Spike.

I don't think it would have made a large difference. Dawn was (is?) one of those characters that represents an idea, in this case unconditional love. Her gender doesn't really factor in.
 
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ticonderouga
I tend to agree, but it would shift the character dynamic at the very least
Although I posed this question as little more then a fun exercise in speculation I started taking it a little more seriously and thinking through what would change and what wouldn't(I'll be referring to the hypothetical brother as Don).

Let's start with the Key metaphor, this metaphor actually works better with a male character and would take on several additional levels of meaning, and I get the feeling that the ceremony at the end would involve more then a couple of shallow cuts, and could be seen as reversing the Angel/Buffy relationship in season 2(young naive boy sleeps with woman who is several centuries old).

This could seriously complicate Buffy and Riley's breakup. After all Riley is the kind of guy who this kid could look up to and Joyce would probably encourage that, because lets face it Riley's the kind of guy that most mothers want their sons to become. I could almost see a type of hero worship developing and I've got the feeling that Riley comes from a large family and probably has some brothers who would look up to him in this way. OK, fast forward to Riley flying off into the night. I think Don might get pretty resentful about the breakup and would get pretty mad at Buffy. OK, Riley is gone, who is the coolest gut around? I think Don would start mimicking Spike in order to irritate big sis, and you that would drive her nuts.

On a lighter side, instead of Dawn's crush on Xander, we have Don's crush on Willow, Tara and Anya. He gets all tongue tide and stammering (I think Willow esp would get a kick out of it.)
 
I think it might have worked alright if they got a good child actor (which is hard to come by). I think both BtVS and AtS are stronger shows when they have a more even number of female and male castmembers. (I've said before Xander needs a pal in Season 6 and 7. He's just too lonely being the only guy.) If done well it almost would be a reverse Simon/River relationship.

I do like Dawn and Michelle T. though and I can't stand Conner.
 
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ticonderouga
I can vouch from personal experience that this can be very awkward
Am I the only one who kinda has a thing for Connor? Oh well....

Also, I think Donnie is an awsome idea! I generally relate more to brother/sister relationships than sister/sister relationships. It would have been nice to see another guy in the group, and I think it could have gone very well, although I guess it would depend on what "don" would be like.

And I'm also in LOVE with the idea of having Angel have a daughter. OMG, reverse it, have the daughter come back as a 18 year old, and start a relationship with one of the guys! Haha...Angel would seriously kill them! And we'd still get Cangel 😀
 
And I'm also in LOVE with the idea of having Angel have a daughter. OMG, reverse it, have the daughter come back as a 18 year old, and start a relationship with one of the guys! Haha...Angel would seriously kill them! And we'd still get Cangel 😀

LOL Now that idea is pretty funny.... I can see that, actually.
 
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