Dr Who! Anyone excited?

Me either! I imagine Xfactor will do really bad in the ratings today!

Cant wait to see David and Billie on TV again!
 
So what did you think?

I thought it was fantastic! Though I am very disappointed we didn't get to actually see Rose, like the real Rose. And really disappointed we didn't get to see Billie and David together, it seems like such a waste to have had her there and not put them together.

Though maybe disappointed is the wrong word, cuz Billie was brilliant as the interface and her and John Hurt were great together.

David and Matt together was just magic, just totally brilliant.

It was nice to see more about Gallifrey, though I'm a little confused on the story. Hasn't Gallifrey always been stored in a time lock? What was all the talk about burning it?
 
That was awesome!

Simple as that. Awesome.

As for the canon, Gallifrey was originally destroyed by the 9th Doctor (John Hurt), to stop the time war between the Daleks and the Time Lords, although we, the viewer, hadn't seen the event till Day of the Doctor, and even then we didn't see it, as the 11th and 12th Doctors (Tennant and Smith) changed his mind (with me so far?).

In Tennant's swansong episode (I forget the name of the episode), the one where he regenerates into Smith, we see the Time Lords planet, Gallifrey reappear, pulled back into reality temporarily by the Master.

This was the setup for Day of the Doctor, as Moffat stated that he had planned the episode (DotD) out, but still had to work out the details.

Because the 9th didn't go through with the destruction of Gallifrey, helped of course by numbers 11 and 12*, he changed his future, and Gallifrey wasn't destroyed, it's now available to use as canon story lines in the future - after the 12th Doctor regenerates.

I fully expect that the 13th Doctor (Capaldi), will seek out a way to restore Gallifrey to reality - along with all the consequences that that will bring.

*As we don't know the date that this event originally happened (although we do know it was 400 years before Matt Smith's Doctor), we can speculate that the change in the Doctors time-line rippled through his previous existences (9, 10, 11 & 12) to present day.

I'm looking forward to the future of Dr Who. I think it's bright and with the near regeneration of Smith (who I can't stand as Dr Who) into Capaldi, I think the show is in safe hands. All we need now is for Moffat to be replaced by Russell T. Davies again and we're set!
 
Black Eye Guy said:
So what did you think?

I thought it was fantastic! Though I am very disappointed we didn't get to actually see Rose, like the real Rose. And really disappointed we didn't get to see Billie and David together, it seems like such a waste to have had her there and not put them together.

Though maybe disappointed is the wrong word, cuz Billie was brilliant as the interface and her and John Hurt were great together.

David and Matt together was just magic, just totally brilliant.

It was nice to see more about Gallifrey, though I'm a little confused on the story. Hasn't Gallifrey always been stored in a time lock? What was all the talk about burning it?
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My understanding is that the interface somehow unlocked the time lock put on Gallifrey, I'm sure they mention that when Matt Smith and Tenant appear to help John Hurt?
 
I'm with [MENTION=8239]Veyron[/MENTION]'s explanation- except that it doesn't seem that they're renumbering the Doctors. At least, we haven't heard anything official to that regard.

I loved it!! I'm hearing grumbling online, mostly because it changes a lot of things, but whatever. Timey-wimey and all that!

Loved Billie Piper- she looked fabulous and what a change of pace for her to be portraying the Interface. Loved the 4th Doctor's scarf and then seeing Tom Baker at the end. Absolutely fabulous to see Peter Capaldi- or at least his eyes lol! Tennant and Smith were so hilarious together.

So, question. Where in #10's timestream is this happening? He has no companions with him. Also, how can the Doctor marry Queen Elizabeth if he's married to River (or vice versa)?

I thought it was very sad that we didn't see Christopher Eccleston anywhere. All of the other living Doctors were either in the episode, in The Night of the Doctor, or present in various celebrations or interviews. I know that there is some sort of enmity between he and the producers, but I wish that could've been surmounted for this event.
 
I confess, I wasn't actually looking forward to this episode that much- I've been losing my interest over the past half season or so, and I find Clara a bit bland. The announcement of the return of David Tennant and Billie Piper didn't help much, either- I HATED Rose with a fiery burning passion, and I could never really "get into" the 10th Doctor, fine actor though DT is. But I thought, well, John Hurt's always fun to watch, and it's the 50th anniversary, so I'll give it a go... And I actually enjoyed it a surprising amount.

I actually quite enjoyed David Tennant, and the interactions between he, Matt Smith and John Hurt as the Doctors were a lot of fun. Despite dreading Billie Piper's return, I thought she did a very good job as the interface, and it was a nice way to get a very popular actress from NuWho back into the show given that her character was trapped in an alternate dimension. Jenna Coleman did a good job, though I still feel like Clara's a bit of an identikit companion. I stood up and cheered when we caught glimpses of all 13 Doctors.

In terms of other 50th celebrations, I would recommend everyone give "The Five (ish) Doctors" a watch- a fun mockumentary, with the cast and crew of the show (past and present) sending themselves up, as well as a few fun cameos (Ian McKellen being my favourite, I could watch the man all day).

The best 50th Anniversary program has to have been "An Adventure in Space and Time", though. Following the creation of the show in 1963, the one off drama shows the creation of Doctor Who, and the early years of the program. Whilst a number of figures play important roles in this (Verity Lambert, the show's producer, and first female producer of any BBC drama, I believe; Sydney Newman, head of drama, who originally conceived of the idea, etc.) it's largely about William Hartnell (played by David Bradley, who also plays Filch in the Harry Potter films, and Walder Frey in Game of Thrones), the First Doctor. I cried. A lot.
 
Himiko said:
The best 50th Anniversary program has to have been "An Adventure in Space and Time", though. Following the creation of the show in 1963, the one off drama shows the creation of Doctor Who, and the early years of the program. Whilst a number of figures play important roles in this (Verity Lambert, the show's producer, and first female producer of any BBC drama, I believe; Sydney Newman, head of drama, who originally conceived of the idea, etc.) it's largely about William Hartnell (played by David Bradley, who also plays Filch in the Harry Potter films, and Walder Frey in Game of Thrones), the First Doctor. I cried. A lot.
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I loved this too! Seriously great TV movie. I was surprised to learn about Lambert, and also that the first director was Waris Hussein, a British-Indian. Both of those folks were "firsts" in their fields.
 
I fell asleep in A journey through space and time.

I am so sick of Matt as the Doctor. I lost interest last season. I dont think it was Clara putting me off, I think it was Matt. So I missed most of last season cos it just didnt hold my attention.

I loved seeing David again. But I didnt like his storyline. I had a few laughs but it was a let down overall. Billie Piper looks really old. I've forgotten the badwolf storyline too.

I didnt understand all the timey wimey stuff. How could they all the doctors be there at once without blowing up the universe or something?

I did like Matt and David together, makes me realise how much I miss David. I have high hopes for the new regeneration to get me back into it.
 
Dr Who's Steven Moffat confirms Matt Smith is 13th

Taken from the BBC website: By Emma Kelly/Published 25th November 2013
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NOW that the 50th anniversary special of Doctor Who has aired, attention has turned to the Christmas special"“ and already Steven Moffat has the rumour mill running.

While the Christmas Day show is confirmed to be current Doctor Matt Smith's final episode, fans of the show have been frantically trying to figure out how many regenerations the alien time traveller has left.

After all, back in the seventies, it was revealed that the Doctor can only regenerate twelve times.

And now showrunner Moffat has finally confessed to what Whovians have feared"“ Smith is actually the thirteenth Doctor, not the eleventh as previously thought.

After it was revealed in the Day of the Doctor that there was another incarnation, played by John Hurt, in between Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston's portrayals, fans calculated that Matt Smith was not number 11.

And once you factor in that David Tennant's Doctor technically regenerated twice"“ after he saved himself in the episode Journey's End"“ Smith is now unlucky 13.

Moffat told the Daily Mirror: "The 12 regenerations limit is a central part of Doctor Who mythology"“ science fiction is all about rules, you can't just casually break them.

"So if the Doctor can never change again, what's Peter Capaldi doing in the Christmas special?"

Peter Capaldi"“ who had a brief cameo in the 50th anniversary special"“ was announced earlier this year as Smith's successor, and will be the new Doctor as of 2014.

But fans are attempting to understand how another regeneration is possible"“ especially as Smith's Doctor says "I'm dying and there is nothing I can do about it" in the traumatic Christmas special.

A source said: "There have been two David Tennant Doctor Who's technically and with John Hurt playing another Doctor, it basically means he can't regenerate again.

"The riddle of the regeneration problem, something fans have talked about for decades, will be faced head on at Christmas. There is going to be another huge cliffhanger and somehow Peter Capaldi has to join and the series has to continue."

The massive Day of the Doctor show on Saturday night is now thought to have been viewed by over 11 million viewers in the UK.

The show, co-starring David Tennant and John Hurt, entered the record books for simultaneously broadcasting in 94 countries.

Meanwhile, actress Orla Brady has been confirmed by Digital Spy to be acting opposite Matt Smith in his final episode.

The Fringe star will play somebody from the Doctor's confused past, and it is thought the Christmas show will revolve around her character.
 
Hmm. I've never really always understood the Timey-Wimey stuff (especially with River constantly meeting up with Matt earlier in his time stream & later in hers) but this is getting a bit ridiculous. I mean, are they going to count the Doctor's severed hand or the time he used his regeneration energy to heal River? I can understanding renumbering Matt as the 12th, but if they start counting all the times he's used his regeneration energy, it starts to get absurd.

I do like that they're going to deal with the # of regenerations; it has to be addressed at some point. And I'm looking forward to Capaldi. 🙂
 
Veyron said:
That was awesome!

Simple as that. Awesome.

As for the canon, Gallifrey was originally destroyed by the 9th Doctor (John Hurt), to stop the time war between the Daleks and the Time Lords, although we, the viewer, hadn't seen the event till Day of the Doctor, and even then we didn't see it, as the 11th and 12th Doctors (Tennant and Smith) changed his mind (with me so far?).
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Was Gallifrey blown up in the previous seasons, like in season 1 - 6 of the new version, has it always been that Gallifrey was blown up?

What I always got from the show, was that the Doctor stopped time around Gallifrey, but I'm starting to get that I might have been getting confused by the "Time lock"

I had always seen it as like a giant bubble surrounding Gallifrey, and everything in that bubble was effectively frozen and could never be unlocked, and in that episode where Gallifrey came back, it was pulled out of that timelock?

But have I just been wildly wrong on that all this time, and it was just that he blew it up and by timelock, they just mean that the Doctor couldn't go near that place and time?

I see now that the plan in the episode would have been a much bigger deal now, cuz what I thought happened has now effectively happened.

VisionGirl said:
Hmm. I've never really always understood the Timey-Wimey stuff (especially with River constantly meeting up with Matt earlier in his time stream & later in hers) but this is getting a bit ridiculous. I mean, are they going to count the Doctor's severed hand or the time he used his regeneration energy to heal River? I can understanding renumbering Matt as the 12th, but if they start counting all the times he's used his regeneration energy, it starts to get absurd.

I do like that they're going to deal with the # of regenerations; it has to be addressed at some point. And I'm looking forward to Capaldi. 🙂
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The Doctors hand wasn't a regeneration, the hand was just severed from him and had it kept it's energy as it was still regenerating, but it wasn't a separate regeneration.
I always got the impression that healing River wasn't the cost of a future form, just a little bit of energy. The only one that has counted is when David's Doctor regenerated but kept the same form.

I was thinking at the end, when all 13 show up in their tardis's (tardi?) that it was odd that the 14th + forms didn't show up (there is gonna be more, they aren't just gonna let it finish when Capaldi wants out presumably) or why the curator version didn't show up...

... actually thinking on it, technically since he was there in the form of 12, he knew the plan would work with 13 Doctos, so there was no need for forms 14+ to also show up I guess? If that makes sense in a Timey-Wimey-Way?
 
I think I have worked out how the show is going to continue. Matt Smith is indeed the last Doctor and, when he dies that is the end.

However, Moffat has told us that we have forgotten something that is way back in time.

Remember how The Five Doctors story revolved around the Tomb of Rassilon?

Yet, in The End of Time, Rassilon was the head of the High Council which was timelocked by the Doctor (Tennant), and sent back there by Smith's Doctor. Nothing ever happens by chance in the series, or it comes back to bite the writers on the bum.

Therefore we can expect Matt or Peter to bring Gallifrey back into the universe, at which point Rassilon can die. This would mean that either Capaldi or the next one would actually be the first Doctor, and we would set off on a new set of regenerations.

At the start of The Name of the Doctor, we see William Hartnell entering the TARDIS, but Susan isn't with him. However, Clara is just beside him. I think we shall see that Clara and Susan are one and the same. This would make it even more significant that Clara was teaching in Coal Hill School at the beginning of The Name of the Doctor.

He would be irascible, etc., and we would be given adventures of the First Doctor we'd never seen before, but to keep that going, the Doctor after Capaldi would have to have the same characteristics of Patrick Troughton, and we'd have a 'companion problem' as well, since we'd need companions to match Ian and Barbara and Vickie and on and on.....

And just by chance Hartnell and Capaldi were the same age when they took over.
 
[MENTION=8239]Veyron[/MENTION], I definitely like that idea!! But I don't see why everything has to be identical. That sounds like it would get tiresome. Either way, I'm looking forward to it.
 
I'm definitely exited for the Christmas special. The trailer makes it look like the best one yet, but it'll be sad to see Matt Smith go. Matt Smith's Doctor was brilliant, and despite some of the crap that Moffat lumped him with, he was always a joy to watch.
 
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