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All right, as Popeye says, "enufk is enufk, and I can't stands it no more".
First of all--to you people who are complaining "End of Days" doesn't make sense... What dimension were you guys trapped in, that you weren't complaining about lack of common sense in the previous two episodes.
Those two episodes were so far removed from the rules of any kind of reality (even Buffyverse reality) it could only have meant one of two things. Drew Z Greenberg was writing it, or Rebecca Kirshner. As it turned out, both answers were correct.
There is little or nothing in End of Days, or Touched that makes anything approaching sense, yet you people wait untill "End of Days" to question continuity. Am I stranded in Bizzaro world, or what?
End of Days does makes sense.
I'll tell you what...
For you kids who don't seem to understand what a "reasonable assumption" is, give me your little hands, and I'll lead you through it.
Let's start with the bomb.
The bomb.
1. Lame and lazy plot device: true.
Doesn't make sense: True.
If the idea of using a bomb to kill the SITs was acceptable to the First, why didn't Casa Del Summers go boom a long time ago? And why sneak around. The trap thing was unnecessary. You just have a bringer drag the bomb under the Summer's house some night.
Here's the thing though... the writers of End of Days aren't responsible for this stupidity. They inherited it. Why are you laying the blame for it on their doorstep.
Espenson and Petrie did the best they could with the insanity they were handed. The problem was Kirshner put them in an impossible position.
The Turok-Han.
Some people seem to think the blast shook the seal loose, and the Turok-Han escaped. I would suggest to these people a policy of watching the episode before analyzing it. The blast does not take place at the school. It takes place in an underground complex, at the far end of town.
I expect the writer of the next episode to explain where all theTurok-Han are suddenly coming from. At this point though, the fact that it hasn't been explained yet, means nothing.
I can't remember--Is this the site where some genius was complaining, because he thought it was forced writing how Buffy could suddenly destroy 3 Turok Hans with ease?
I just shake my head when I see stuff like that. I mean if he missed the part where Buffy now had a mystical, super powerful weapon, that among other things, cuts through anything, is he going to get it, even if I explain it to him with diagrams?
The Taser:
Where does the taser come from?
Dawn and Xander are looking through Xander's car for a crossbow. She haphazardly moves a sword aside to look for the crossbow in the backseat. Obviously Dawn, Xander and the SITs have been driving around with weapons in the car. They forgot to bring them all in. This is understandable considering the chaotic aftermath of the massacre at the winery.
So you have a situation where weapons are strewn about Xander's car. Where does the taser come from? Think about it.
The Tomb:
How do they know it's there?
While researching, Willow and Giles discover a symbol connected to swords and ancient tombs. One assumes they research this further, and discover such a tomb must be on unconsecrated ground, because later Buffy is explaining how she is going to look for an ancient tomb on unconsecrated ground. You will notice when she enters the tomb, she leaves the graveyard (consecrated ground) through a gate.
How come no-one know's about this tomb thing yet?
Am I the only one that stayed awake for that part? A woman of great mystical power exists in this tomb. She is something different from anything anyone in the Buffyverse has previously been aware of. She refers to herself as a Guardian. She is hiding. She is good at hiding. Even the Watchers did not know the Guardians existed. She also has access to great power. She is one of the ones that created the magic Scythe, and as Willow pointed out "Scythe does matter".
The Guardian is powerful. It 's not unreasonable to imagine her creating something like an Interdimensional portal. Interdimensional portals are not unknown in the Buffyverse. Check out a Buffy episode called Anne for an example of an inter-dimensional portal in a pool. The fact that the inside of the tomb is hidden and different from the outside, is easily explained by the rules and possibilities of the Buffyverse.
I heard someone somewhere say this scene didn't make sense, because if such a tomb existed Archeologists would be all over it--studying it. True, but why are you just noticing this now? There have been major archeological finds lying all over Sunnydale for years. According to Willow they're available to anyone who can Google. If you're wondering about that though, why stop there. You could be asking questions like "where are the police when demons are terrorizing the populace?", and forget about the archeologists, where are the media? The mayor turns into a Giant snake at graduation, and no-one got it on video.
There's some stuff on Buffy where you just have to suspend your disbelief. I don't like it. You don't like it, but that's the way it is. Petrie and Espenson didn't invent that rule. Why are you picking on them after accepting 6 1/2 years of it.
How do Buffy, Caleb, Angel, and Spike all wind up in the tomb at the same time?
Buffy kicks the door down. Angel follows her in during the fight. How did he find her? Angel has always been able to find Buffy any time he looks for her. Why would it surprise you to discover he can still do it?
Caleb gets a free pass on the logic train. He is connected to a gigantic mystical force. It is not unreasonable to think such a force could find Buffy and lead Caleb to her. Spike was at the winery doing reconnaisance on Caleb. He told us that was where he was going. He followed Caleb to the tomb. Duh...
Conclusion:
Ok I admit, I don't know why Buffy is calling the weapon a Scythe, when it doesn't look anything like one.
Does that incidental crap really matter? I don't think so, not when you compare it to the monumental stupidity of the final scene of empty places where not one character behaves in a manner we would expect based on what we know about the characters. This group insanity is never explained. That's what bad writing looks like.
You can't be letting that slide, then two weeks later insist things should make sense. You especially can't do it when, for the most part, this particular episode (End of Days) does make sense.
First of all--to you people who are complaining "End of Days" doesn't make sense... What dimension were you guys trapped in, that you weren't complaining about lack of common sense in the previous two episodes.
Those two episodes were so far removed from the rules of any kind of reality (even Buffyverse reality) it could only have meant one of two things. Drew Z Greenberg was writing it, or Rebecca Kirshner. As it turned out, both answers were correct.
There is little or nothing in End of Days, or Touched that makes anything approaching sense, yet you people wait untill "End of Days" to question continuity. Am I stranded in Bizzaro world, or what?
End of Days does makes sense.
I'll tell you what...
For you kids who don't seem to understand what a "reasonable assumption" is, give me your little hands, and I'll lead you through it.
Let's start with the bomb.
The bomb.
1. Lame and lazy plot device: true.
Doesn't make sense: True.
If the idea of using a bomb to kill the SITs was acceptable to the First, why didn't Casa Del Summers go boom a long time ago? And why sneak around. The trap thing was unnecessary. You just have a bringer drag the bomb under the Summer's house some night.
Here's the thing though... the writers of End of Days aren't responsible for this stupidity. They inherited it. Why are you laying the blame for it on their doorstep.
Espenson and Petrie did the best they could with the insanity they were handed. The problem was Kirshner put them in an impossible position.
The Turok-Han.
Some people seem to think the blast shook the seal loose, and the Turok-Han escaped. I would suggest to these people a policy of watching the episode before analyzing it. The blast does not take place at the school. It takes place in an underground complex, at the far end of town.
I expect the writer of the next episode to explain where all theTurok-Han are suddenly coming from. At this point though, the fact that it hasn't been explained yet, means nothing.
I can't remember--Is this the site where some genius was complaining, because he thought it was forced writing how Buffy could suddenly destroy 3 Turok Hans with ease?
I just shake my head when I see stuff like that. I mean if he missed the part where Buffy now had a mystical, super powerful weapon, that among other things, cuts through anything, is he going to get it, even if I explain it to him with diagrams?
The Taser:
Where does the taser come from?
Dawn and Xander are looking through Xander's car for a crossbow. She haphazardly moves a sword aside to look for the crossbow in the backseat. Obviously Dawn, Xander and the SITs have been driving around with weapons in the car. They forgot to bring them all in. This is understandable considering the chaotic aftermath of the massacre at the winery.
So you have a situation where weapons are strewn about Xander's car. Where does the taser come from? Think about it.
The Tomb:
How do they know it's there?
While researching, Willow and Giles discover a symbol connected to swords and ancient tombs. One assumes they research this further, and discover such a tomb must be on unconsecrated ground, because later Buffy is explaining how she is going to look for an ancient tomb on unconsecrated ground. You will notice when she enters the tomb, she leaves the graveyard (consecrated ground) through a gate.
How come no-one know's about this tomb thing yet?
Am I the only one that stayed awake for that part? A woman of great mystical power exists in this tomb. She is something different from anything anyone in the Buffyverse has previously been aware of. She refers to herself as a Guardian. She is hiding. She is good at hiding. Even the Watchers did not know the Guardians existed. She also has access to great power. She is one of the ones that created the magic Scythe, and as Willow pointed out "Scythe does matter".
The Guardian is powerful. It 's not unreasonable to imagine her creating something like an Interdimensional portal. Interdimensional portals are not unknown in the Buffyverse. Check out a Buffy episode called Anne for an example of an inter-dimensional portal in a pool. The fact that the inside of the tomb is hidden and different from the outside, is easily explained by the rules and possibilities of the Buffyverse.
I heard someone somewhere say this scene didn't make sense, because if such a tomb existed Archeologists would be all over it--studying it. True, but why are you just noticing this now? There have been major archeological finds lying all over Sunnydale for years. According to Willow they're available to anyone who can Google. If you're wondering about that though, why stop there. You could be asking questions like "where are the police when demons are terrorizing the populace?", and forget about the archeologists, where are the media? The mayor turns into a Giant snake at graduation, and no-one got it on video.
There's some stuff on Buffy where you just have to suspend your disbelief. I don't like it. You don't like it, but that's the way it is. Petrie and Espenson didn't invent that rule. Why are you picking on them after accepting 6 1/2 years of it.
How do Buffy, Caleb, Angel, and Spike all wind up in the tomb at the same time?
Buffy kicks the door down. Angel follows her in during the fight. How did he find her? Angel has always been able to find Buffy any time he looks for her. Why would it surprise you to discover he can still do it?
Caleb gets a free pass on the logic train. He is connected to a gigantic mystical force. It is not unreasonable to think such a force could find Buffy and lead Caleb to her. Spike was at the winery doing reconnaisance on Caleb. He told us that was where he was going. He followed Caleb to the tomb. Duh...
Conclusion:
Ok I admit, I don't know why Buffy is calling the weapon a Scythe, when it doesn't look anything like one.
Does that incidental crap really matter? I don't think so, not when you compare it to the monumental stupidity of the final scene of empty places where not one character behaves in a manner we would expect based on what we know about the characters. This group insanity is never explained. That's what bad writing looks like.
You can't be letting that slide, then two weeks later insist things should make sense. You especially can't do it when, for the most part, this particular episode (End of Days) does make sense.
