Emigration

Kean

Kean

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Where I'm from this is pretty much the word on the tip of everyone's tongues. By January every single one of my inner circle friends (my Scoobies, I suppose) will have left Ireland to find work elsewhere. I'll be the only one left (cuz I'm doing a masters).

I've been thinking about what happens after the masters though and the more I do the more I think I'm going to have to leave as well. That got me thinking even more and I'm wondering are there any other nationalities here who have been faced with the reality of emigration because of the economic crisis? Or, has anyone else been pretty much forced into emigration? How was the expereince? Any tips?
 
I've never emigrated myself, both my parents emigrated when they were teenagers though, and my mum funnily enough wrote her PhD on English migrants in Australia.

Also, my job has 34 employees and 4 of them are Irish emigrants to Australia. All came over in the past 2 years and all of then because they couldn't find work or couldn't find work that paid a decent wage.

All of them have positive things to say about their move and say that the lifestyle in Perth is brilliant.
 
Well, it is estimated that there are more than 60 million people of Italian origin living outside Italy... the Italians have emigrated in hordes during the last 2 centuries.

It still happens, but in a smaller measure now. Still, the new economical crises has hit pretty strongly, and I, myself, am unemployed, and it looks like finding a job requires a miracle, right now. There is just no work available, as of now.

I would totally consider moving somewhere else, if it meant finding a job.
 
caitaintdead said:
I've never emigrated myself, both my parents emigrated when they were teenagers though, and my mum funnily enough wrote her PhD on English migrants in Australia.

Also, my job has 34 employees and 4 of them are Irish emigrants to Australia. All came over in the past 2 years and all of then because they couldn't find work or couldn't find work that paid a decent wage.

All of them have positive things to say about their move and say that the lifestyle in Perth is brilliant.
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It worked out for your parents so! lol A good friend of mine moved to Melbourne about 3 years ago. He loves it. I know about a dozen more who made the move too, scattered all over Oz.

Out of curiosity Cait, do those Irish people that you work with expect to go home eventually? Or are they in Oz for good?

Francy79 said:
Well, it is estimated that there are more than 60 million people of Italian origin living outside Italy... the Italians have emigrated in hordes during the last 2 centuries.
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Some story with Ireland. The Irish diaspora is estimated at 80 million worldwide. Emigration ain't nothing new to us. Unfortunately.

I think picking where to go will be the hard part. Toss up between Canada and Australia I'd say.
 
You have to do what is right for you hon. I want to do it but I would have to change careers given I work in law. Just make sure it is for the right reasons, the grass is not always greener.
 
Scobro said:
Just don't come to America!! We have enough as it it.
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You know, America would actually be the best option in terms of having friends and (sorta) family there. But it is also the place where A LOT of people have gone over in the last couple years and had to come home. The US isn't in a much better place than Ireland right now.

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Faith said:
You have to do what is right for you hon. I want to do it but I would have to change careers given I work in law. Just make sure it is for the right reasons, the grass is not always greener.
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Don't I know it 😉 The reality is my degree(s) aren't worth much of anything here right now. A new McDonald's opened up a few months back and 2000 people applied for 50 jobs. They were hiring solicitors and architects. I haven't a hope.

I just feel like I'm wasting my education here and I down right refuse to walk out of college and go straight into the dole queue.

Where are you thinking of going?
 
Kean said:
But it is also the place where A LOT of people have gone over in the last couple years and had to come home. The US isn't in a much better place than Ireland right now.
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It just depends on where you go, honestly. I could tell you an area that would be much easier to move to to make a go of it. Especially if you do have a degree.
 
Scobro said:
It just depends on where you go, honestly. I could tell you an area that would be much easier to move to to make a go of it. Especially if you do have a degree.
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Go on so, where is it?
 
Spikefan is very right - us Aussie LOVE the Irish. I know you don't like saying to much about your personal life but can I ask what your degree would be in?

All the Irish people I know have moved here permanently. A couple of them have young families so within a few years those kids will pretty much be Aussies (swearing on St Patricks day that they are Irish!). The younger girls that I work with (in their mid to late 20's) are here to stay as well. They have found friends easily and boyfriends as well. They're lucky enough to be earning decent money so they go back once a year.

I'm not going to lie to you, all my English family get chronic homesickness on a regular basis and are tempted to move back, but to be honest living here is good. It's reasonably easygoing and quality of life is (apparently) swell.

Perth rated number 3 in the most liveable cities in the world, so there must be something there!

If you moved to Perth I'd totally look after you! We even have a spare room that we're looking at renting out to someone from Ireland!

I agree with Faith though, it's a huge decision to make, and if you're going to do, you should definitely be sure about your reasons for moving and how you would feel about being away from the people in your life that you depend on. Of course you will find new people in wherever you go though, but it may take time.
 
caitaintdead said:
Spikefan is very right - us Aussie LOVE the Irish. I know you don't like saying to much about your personal life but can I ask what your degree would be in?
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My undergrad is in English and History and my masters will be in International studies. Not exactly qualified for anything specific but they goit get me something! I hope!

All the Irish people I know have moved here permanently. A couple of them have young families so within a few years those kids will pretty much be Aussies (swearing on St Patricks day that they are Irish!). The younger girls that I work with (in their mid to late 20's) are here to stay as well. They have found friends easily and boyfriends as well. They're lucky enough to be earning decent money so they go back once a year.

I'm not going to lie to you, all my English family get chronic homesickness on a regular basis and are tempted to move back, but to be honest living here is good. It's reasonably easygoing and quality of life is (apparently) swell.
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You know, I spent a month in Sydney a couple years ago and it was amazing. Not because it was Sydney but because the people were brilliant, the cost of living was nothing compared to home aaaand, there was real life sunshie! lol

I know for a fact I will die of homesickness. I have no doubt about it but I've lived abroad before. Making friends won't be an issue. More than likely I will over compensate act exceptionally Irish all the time lol

Perth rated number 3 in the most liveable cities in the world, so there must be something there!
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One of my besties lived there for about 6 months (he spent a semester at Murdoch) and has pretty much been planning his return to Perth since he got home lol

If you moved to Perth I'd totally look after you! We even have a spare room that we're looking at renting out to someone from Ireland!
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LMFAO! Thanks hun!

I agree with Faith though, it's a huge decision to make, and if you're going to do, you should definitely be sure about your reasons for moving and how you would feel about being away from the people in your life that you depend on. Of course you will find new people in wherever you go though, but it may take time.
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To be honest the main thing that is killing me is the thought of missing my nephew grow up. But, I can't really use that as an excuse for doing nothing either.
 
Kean said:
My undergrad is in English and History and my masters will be in International studies. Not exactly qualified for anything specific but they goit get me something! I hope!



You know, I spent a month in Sydney a couple years ago and it was amazing. Not because it was Sydney but because the people were brilliant, the cost of living was nothing compared to home aaaand, there was real life sunshie! lol

I know for a fact I will die of homesickness. I have no doubt about it but I've lived abroad before. Making friends won't be an issue. More than likely I will over compensate act exceptionally Irish all the time lol



One of my besties lived there for about 6 months (he spent a semester at Murdoch) and has pretty much been planning his return to Perth since he got home lol
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Haha, chances are I've drunkenly spoken to your mate before while I've been out partying. The nightlife in Perth is pretty small and every single time I go out I end up spending the entire night with Irish people! Good people to party with that's for sure!

What kind of work would you be looking for in that industry? My mum used to lecture at a university over here, but it's tough to find work. On the other hand, if you wanted to teach high school you would get a job no problems! Australia still has a teaching shortage.

Oh, and if you think Sydney has sunshine... You aint seen nothing yet! Perth is a helluva lot warmer!

Good luck with your decision, and if you do end up in Perth then hit me up for contacts.
 
Kean
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Thanks hun, you're a star!
Kean said:
Don't I know it 😉 The reality is my degree(s) aren't worth much of anything here right now. A new McDonald's opened up a few months back and 2000 people applied for 50 jobs. They were hiring solicitors and architects. I haven't a hope.

I just feel like I'm wasting my education here and I down right refuse to walk out of college and go straight into the dole queue.

Where are you thinking of going?
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I know what you mean, when I finished Uni I had to sign on and I could not believe it, I was 'over qualified and under experienced'.

Ever since I was younger I wanted to move to the US but given all the job cuts and the fact that it is so difficult to get in over there I realised the reality was it was not going to happen.

When I lost my job last year I was very close to moving to Spain (oh what a shocker!) to teach English, of course I need to get back to learning Spanish. Obviously within the EU its easier but for me with my mum having her issues there is no way i'd leave the country. I know she would not want me to stay for her but I just could not leave her especially as my brother lives in Germany.

I am however, pretty settled in Edinburgh now. I have my flat, I have my job and I have my friends, more importantly I can afford to go all the places and do the things that I want to. I'm never going to be one of those that live for their work, my work enables me to live my life and that is how it should be.
 
Back in the 80's during the economic crisis my dad went through the same thing. He had a degree in Architecture and a newborn baby (oooh that's me! that's me!), and could not find a job for the life of him. He applied for Architecture jobs and was told that he was under qualified, then applied for dishwashing jobs and was told he was overqualified and he would be bored (despite having 3 years experience as a kitchen hand and would have been perfect for the job)

There's something very wrong with our world. But don't let me get all Billy Bragg on you.
 
I'm wondering where one emigrates to nowadays to find work? Every country in the western world seems to be pretty much equally screwed now. I think you'd have to go to China or India.

As an American I have to say yes, for various reasons I have frequently considered moving somewhere else. It just doesn't seem very realistic.
 
Faith said:
'over qualified and under experienced'.
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I loathe that phrase. I truly do. I mean where do you go from there?

Ever since I was younger I wanted to move to the US but given all the job cuts and the fact that it is so difficult to get in over there I realised the reality was it was not going to happen.
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Seconded. Honestly, of all my options I gravitate to the states the most. I already have a network of friends and contacts there and I already know I'll love it. But the reality is that I would need a lot of money to set myself up. Catch 22.


AndrewCrossett said:
I'm wondering where one emigrates to nowadays to find work? Every country in the western world seems to be pretty much equally screwed now. I think you'd have to go to China or India.
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No, there are options. Canada, Australia and New Zealand are actively trying to woo Irish with visas. There is definitely jobs.
 
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