Emo riots?!

[TheHeartist]

What in the hell?!

I actually could NOT believe this when I read it. To think we as a species are supposed to be moving past this sort of thing...

 

[JCC]

Makes me disgusted to have ties in the Metal and Punk subcultures.

 

[Blondie Bear]

Despite the push from the "tolerance/diversity" people, we are not moving past this. I don't think we ever will. Humans are a violent species who can't really deal with people who are different from them. They are also easily whipped into a mob-frenzy so that individuals who would never hurt another person on their own get dragged into a mass beating. It sucks, but it's humanity. Short of introducing a Brave New World kind of drug, nothing can really stop it.

 

[ckg927]

One of my heroes,comedian Bill Hicks,made the same point that BB did-except more direct(and with rawer language,which I'll clean up here;this comes from his CD Rant in E-Minor):

"People suck,and that's my contention. I can prove it on a scratch of paper with a pen. Give me a (damned) Etch a Sketch,I'll do it in three minutes. The proof,the fact,the factorum,I'll show my work,case closed. I'm tired of this back-slapping 'aren't humanity neat' bull----. We're a VIRUS WITH SHOES,OK? That's all we are."

 

[Lily]

I still can't believe we live in a world with this much hate, with all we've been through, humanity doesn't seem to have the 'learn from history' gene yet.

 

[StuckinTraffic]

Huh, I thought this was kind of .... strange. As a statement, I mean:

"What do you do when you are confronted with a question mark about sexuality in Mexico?" Arellano said. "You beat it up."

And that's different from almost every other country in the world...how?

You know, I can't stand Hillary Clinton, but she was right when she said it takes a village to raise a child. I wish people would figure that out.

 

[Blondie Bear]

The problem with Hillary's statement, though, is that she's using it as an excuse to push us toward a nanny state. She doesn't mean that the people in the village should all be responsible for everyone else and teach children the right way to behave (the way the original proverb meant it); she means that the government should have full rein in training children. And I think that's wrong.

 

[Lily]

And that hatred is learnt at an early age, the fact that these groups are generally of my generation (so their 20s ish and younger) leads to even more worrying thoughts, are we becoming as bigoted as earlier generations, instead of improving?

 

[Tueuse de Vampires]

The problem with Hillary's statement, though, is that she's using it as an excuse to push us toward a nanny state. She doesn't mean that the people in the village should all be responsible for everyone else and teach children the right way to behave (the way the original proverb meant it); she means that the government should have full rein in training children. And I think that's wrong.

How is it wrong? Okay, if you've read books like 'Brave New World' or '1984' you know that too much control isn't the way to go, but what's worse, the government having more to say in how to raise your children or people starting riots, not knowing how to behave, effed up children/teenagers in general because their parents just didn't do a good enough job raising/training/whatevering them. IMO the government couls actually be the lesser of two evils.

 

[StuckinTraffic]

The problem with Hillary's statement, though, is that she's using it as an excuse to push us toward a nanny state. She doesn't mean that the people in the village should all be responsible for everyone else and teach children the right way to behave (the way the original proverb meant it); she means that the government should have full rein in training children. And I think that's wrong.

I was speaking to the "diversity should breed tolerance" concept. Exposure to differences should result in a person's realizing that different doesn't automatically equal wrong, I think children are sometimes brought up in entirely too insular an environment.

 

[Blondie Bear]

How is it wrong? Okay, if you've read books like 'Brave New World' or '1984' you know that too much control isn't the way to go, but what's worse, the government having more to say in how to raise your children or people starting riots, not knowing how to behave, effed up children/teenagers in general because their parents just didn't do a good enough job raising/training/whatevering them. IMO the government couls actually be the lesser of two evils.

The key phrase there is "their PARENTS just didn't do a good enough job." We need a social structure (not a government structure; they are two different things) that helps struggling parents, keeps teenagers who are not ready to be parents from having children, and generally takes care of the kids within the social structure. The government doesn't necessarily understand the social structure and, in a country as vast and diverse as America, can screw up by forcing one single norm on everyone, a norm that does not fit with everyone's social interactions. That leads to kids who are just as screwed up as if their parents had been bad.

I was speaking to the "diversity should breed tolerance" concept. Exposure to differences should result in a person's realizing that different doesn't automatically equal wrong, I think children are sometimes brought up in entirely too insular an environment.

And I agree with you. You would think that diversity would breed tolerance. It's the logical thing to happen. Unfortunately, people are not logical. They are stupid, emotional animals who have to force themselves to be logical, and its an uphill battle all the way. We have lots of psychological constructs left over from our early days when we lived in tribes and anything different had to be assumed to be bad because otherwise you'd get caught off guard by a band of raiders disguised as traders or something. These leftover psychological constructs lead us to live in neighborhoods with all the same types of people, which leads kids to believe that other people are bad (or why wouldn't we want to live on the same block as them?), which leads THEM to grow up and live in neighborhoods where everyone's the same as them. . . . It's going to take a lot of work to get out of this mindset, and EVERYONE has to want to in order for it to work. But they don't, so it can't. At least, not yet.

Reminds me of a joke: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb? One, but the lightbulb has to really want to change.

 

[Lily]

The key phrase there is "their PARENTS just didn't do a good enough job." We need a social structure (not a government structure; they are two different things) that helps struggling parents, keeps teenagers who are not ready to be parents from having children, and generally takes care of the kids within the social structure. The government doesn't necessarily understand the social structure and, in a country as vast and diverse as America, can screw up by forcing one single norm on everyone, a norm that does not fit with everyone's social interactions. That leads to kids who are just as screwed up as if their parents had been bad.

However sometimes the creation of government bodies that enable communities to work together can be helpful to get the ball rolling in the right direction. People are not likely to change and start looking out for strangers wihtout some kind of encouragement etc.
So in that respect (a limited amount of) government involvement would be helpful at this stage, we're at a terrible place in terms of a lack of community togetherness, people don't even know their neighbours (yes, a generalisation, but a fairly true one)

 

[Blondie Bear]

Well, as mentioned briefly in another thread, I'm a libertarian, and as such believe that the government needs to keep its nose out of our business. This does require quite a bit of personal responsibility on the part of the people, which I think is a good thing. I think too many people never really grow up because the government is always there to bail them out of their mistakes. I mean, look at the banking/housing crisis we've got going on here!

 

[Hello Cutie]

At the end of the day, human's are animals. We might think we're highly evolved and all that, but deep down we're animals and we have animal instincts. Just like other animals pick on/bully/attack/kill the smallest, or weakest or the members of their pack that stand out, humans do the same thing.

It's disgusting but until people change their mentality completely and become much more tolerant (which will never happen in any of our lifetimes, if at all), it's a sad fact that actions like this will happen all over the world.. and not just to the 'emos' but to any subculture that's seen as a threat, or seen simply as weak and needing to be stamped out- it's Darwin's theory, it's survival of the fittest, and human's can't seem to kick the habit, and realise, if they see themselves as evolved and superior and not simply animals, then they need to stop behaving like animals, and let people be.

 

[caitaintdead]

Poor little emo kids... The power of naming subcultures.
I find it interesting that barely any subcultures actually name themselves... Who names subcultures? And at the same time creating them? It's not them. It's the media. And by looking at stories like this and your reactions to it, it only makes it so much clearer to me why the media insist on continuation of articles like this.

Sorry guys but you can't pigeon hole an entire youth. "Punk" "Goth" "Emo" Doesn't matter. Youth and youth subcultures aren't the only ones "acting like animals"

Try to remember that subcultures aren't created by people but by media, in particular the right wing media.

Read things with a critical point of view.

 

[palabravampiress]

I'm a bad, bad person. I actually laughed when I read that article.

Are we sure that's not an April Fool's joke? I mean... riot police called out to defend a youth subculture fad thingie? That seems a bit absurd. Also, it totally sounds like Crybaby! That was a very funny movie, by the way. I'm not believing anything I read about anything until tomorrow, especially anything containing a reference to Crybaby.. lol.

 

[JCC]

I'm a bad, bad person. I actually laughed when I read that article.

Are we sure that's not an April Fool's joke? I mean... riot police called out to defend a youth subculture fad thingie? That seems a bit absurd. Also, it totally sounds like Crybaby! That was a very funny movie, by the way. I'm not believing anything I read about anything until tomorrow, especially anything containing a reference to Crybaby.. lol.

The article was written on March 27.

 

[Evilyn]

Makes me disgusted to have ties in the Metal and Punk subcultures.

Hey, I'm a metal head and I don't go around beating up emo kids, all the time.

Sorry, tastelss joke.

Seriously though, subcultures have always warred. That's why they are subcultures. They don't mix with normal society, so they mingle with their own. It happens and I don't think we will ever move passed this. It will keep happening till humans cease to exist. Doesn't make it right, by any means, but it's not new at all.

For instance, 10 years ago, when I was in high school, there was a huge fight between the "preps" and the "freaks", because some preppy jock kids beat up a goth kid. Now, whether you were goth or punk or hippy or metal, you were a freak and you were the enemy. Not right, not fair, but it happened.

 

[anyatara]

Anywho who's mean to emos is horrible =[ I get called an emo 'cause of the way I dress, the music I like and 'cause I cut myself [Even though I say that is NOT an emo thing =/ ] But anywho, that's a lot of people =O But, still, people shouldn't, be so cruel.

 

[Black Eye Guy]

It is wrong,they should be treated like that. I gotta say I don't like emos thought, Im sure it's not all of them but all the ones I've met are so annoying and so bloody judgmental!