Episode discussion – Serenity (The movie)

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Premiere date: Summer/fall of 2005 

Written by: Joss Whedon
Directed by: Joss Whedon

In the future, a spaceship called Serenity is harboring a passenger with a deadly secret. Six rebels on the run. An assassin in pursuit. When the renegade crew of Serenity agrees to hide a fugitive on their ship, they find themselves in an awesome action-packed battle between the relentless military might of a totalitarian regime who will destroy anything - or anyone - to get the girl back and the bloodthirsty creatures who roam the uncharted areas of space. But, the greatest danger of all may be on their ship.

Taglines
Can't stop the signal.
Space Pirates on the run!
They're armed. She's dangerous.
This is one 'River' you do not want to cross.
The future is worth fighting for.
They aim to misbehave.
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Trivia
EASTER EGG: From the main menu screen, keep clicking "left" until you light up a triangle with a dot in the center on the right side of the screen. The icon will take you to the full Fruity Oaty Bar commercial. In the DVD commentary, Joss Whedon admitted that he wanted the commercial to be as odd as possible. He said it was heavily inspired by the "Mr. Sparkle" advertisement from The Simpsons: In Marge We Trust The uncredited actor in the commercial and the Easter Egg segment is Robert Michael Lee.

Morena Baccarin provides the voice for the security terminal in the records room.

To put River to sleep, Dr. Simon Tam says, "Eta Kooram Nah Smech!," Russian for "This is very ridiculous" (literally "This is for hens to laugh!").

The DVD of Serenity was flown up to the International Space Station by astronaut Steven Swanson on board the shuttle Atlantis during its June 2007 STS-117 mission.

The cast had a running gag where they would yell Summer Glau's name whenever any of them flubbed a line or forgot to do something. It originated on Firefly when she forgot her line at the end of a very long and difficult scene. (Nathan Fillion, Morena Baccarin and Sean Maher can be seen doing this on the DVD blooper reel.)

In his DVD commentary, Joss Whedon said Chiwetel Ejiofor, Nathan Fillion, Summer Glau and Sean Maher performed many of their own stunts. Glau, a trained dancer, used her dancing skills in River's two fights. For the second fight, the cameraman, who was also a dancer, moved through a gap around the combatants to achieve the movie's dynamic camera angles.

According to the director commentary, Mal's line "Faster would be better" was ad-libbed by Nathan Fillion when Joss Whedon told him to "say something Mal would say."

Though the Trade Agent (the elderly man in the Trade Station who unlocks the safe) is played by Weston Nathanson, his voice was dubbed by Joss Whedon. According to Whedon, several of the stand-in voices from the early post-production stage remain in the final film, among them this and Morena Baccarin's voice as the computer at the beginning of the film.

The events of the film take place six months after Firefly: Objects in Space, the final episode of the TV series. "Those Left Behind," a three-issue comic book series written by Joss Whedon and Brett Matthews, published by Dark Horse comics, and released during summer 2005, bridges that six-month gap.

Though she did say all the lines, the actress that plays young River was dubbed over by Summer Glau to make the connection easier.

During Mal's conversation with Inara over the wave, four of Mal's scars are visible. All are from wounds he received during Firefly. The one on his chest was inflicted by Crow in Firefly: The Train Job. The one near his diaphragm is from a gunshot wound inflicted during Firefly: Out of Gas. The one on his side is from his duel with Atherton Wing in Firefly: Shindig. The one on his left shoulder is from the bullet graze in the pilot.

Summer Glau has said that she pitched the idea of River becoming a pilot during the Firefly television series. In this film, River finally becomes a co-pilot of Serenity.

According to Joss Whedon's DVD commentary, the most difficult scene for sound was Simon and River's final scene, after Simon is shot. Sean Maher and Summer Glau developed a strong bond during production of Firefly. Sean's acting was so good that Summer kept bursting into tears whenever they attempted to shoot the scene.

According to his DVD commentary, Joss Whedon said the planet Miranda would've been discovered at the end of the second season if the show had been a success.

The funeral scene includes several real funeral customs. Zoà« wears a white dress, the traditional Chinese color of mourning. Small rocks are placed on the grave markers of Mr. Universe, Book, and Wash, from the Jewish tradition of mourners placing a small stone on the grave at every visit.

Joss Whedon revealed that the reason Wash and Book were killed off in the movie was because Alan Tudyk and Ron Glass could not commit to sequels. Universal Pictures wanted all the main actors who would appear in the sequels to be contractually available, meaning Whedon had to find a way of getting Tudyk and Glass out of the story. (In his original script, before he knew they couldn't commit, all members of the crew survived, with Zoe and Wash promising to have children together.) Despite this Whedon has also revealed that there was a "strong possibility" that Wash and Book would return if a sequel ever was made -- indicating that he had plans to find a way to bring them back.

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I absolutely love Serenity. I think it's a perfect movie to close the story of Firefly. I wish there could have been sequels, but it's still a great ending. And River totally kicks so much ass which I loved. 😀

I love the back story on how Reavers were created, and we got to see what they actually looked like! Just as frightening as I thought. 😱

Kaylee and Simon finally get together! "The hell with this, I'm gonna live!" Hehe, Kaylee. 😛

Book! Wash!! DAMMIT JOSS! 🙁

And I love love love that River becomes co-pilot! This movie is addicting, I always want to watch it. It's just perfect. 🙂
 
Alright, pumped for the movie! It's a little hard to think that we're already done. It seriously feels like just a few days ago when we started the re-watch thread. I'm stoked though! I haven't seen this movie in years, probably since it first came out. Picked it up the other day for seven bucks on Blu-Ray, we just had an 80-inch, 3D T.V. installed with a set of crazy intense speakers, and I am SO ready. Here we go.

-Kind of a strange opening. If I hadn't seen the series I would be a little thrown by it. It jumps around a lot. It's a little strange having to take the chemistry back to basics for the crew. I know they have to re-introduce everyone for new viewers who haven't seen the series, but it's still kind of weird to see.

-What? We have sound in space now? When did that happen? Boo.

-River's first mission. Alright. Once again, calling it now: This is heading south. Quick. For starters, she's not wearing shoes on a bank robbery op. Not good.

-I liked the secret vault. Very cool. And Mal discussing gun shot wounds with the guy was awesome.

-About time the Reavers make a comeback. We were hinted at them for the first few episodes and then nothing for ages. River knowing they're coming was pretty crazy. And Mal's throwing that guy to the wolves, only to shoot him? Heavy.

-Oh my god that would freaking bolt through the knee would just wrench. "You shoot me if they take me!" "Don't shoot me first!".

-Getting the crew back into the ship was nuts. And let me say, we're only through the first action scene of this movie and 80 inches+surround sound+Blu-Ray+Serenity=Awesome.

-Good punch Simon. I like Mal, but about time.

-Simon and Kaylee's goodbye was sweet. Sweet, but sad.

-River's fight scene was just awesome. One of the best I've ever seen. It almost looks like she's dancing when she fights, which I'm sure was the idea. And safety word knockouts? Always good.

-I'm pretty sure "Mr. Universe" is the head elf from Tim Allan's Santa Claus movies. Oh, and he's creepy. Full marks there.

-I like the idea that some time has passed. Inara and Shepherd have both moved on from Serenity and established themselves elsewhere. And more clues to whatever his past might be. My theory is that years ago, Shepherd Book was an operative like this guy chasing River.

-Mal and Inara talking was a cool scene. You can just feel the tension. And everyone else eavesdropping on the conversation with popcorn was hilarious. Everyone wants them together, and knows they would be good together, but they just can't figure it out. "Did you see us fight?" "No." "Trap." Maybe that sums it up...

-The city/town Inara's in looks like something out of the Uncharted series. And okay, fake-English-accent-Jason-Bourne-like-guy vs. Mal. I'm looking forward to it, but Mal's chances aren't great. Mal's shot to the gut was awesome. And the way that this guy fights is pretty cool, very precise. Although, Mal and Inara probably should have killed him when the flash bomb went off (I liked that he knew it was just a flash bomb). Still, very cool to have Inara back.

-Haven's been blown away. Very Luke Skywalker-esque. Man...I can't believe Book is dead. "I don't care what you believe, just believe in something." I like the line.

-The conversation between Mal and the assassin was the best scene in the movie so far. Usually I can't stand villains that try and act all superior, but the fact that this guy knows what a monster he is is different. I like that.

-Something bad is going down on Miranda. Glutting up Serenity to look like a Reaver ship was pretty intense. And the crew flying through Reaver dominated space in that eerie silence was an awesome scene.

-Finding an entire dead planet? Very not good. Clearly the Alliance has done something here, maybe not intentionally, but something.

-Finding out the biggest coverup in history was pretty intense. That whole scene. Covering something like that up, a whole planet just going to sleep on itself and the rest who survived becoming the Reavers...and then to not tell anyone...That explains why the army would have just let the Reavers linger around there. So not only are The Alliance responsible for creating them, but they're responsible for not taking them out too, and everyone they've ever harmed. Pretty huge. It was interesting seeing Jayne, who's supposed to be the rough-and-tumble guy, being the one to turn the video off.
Definitely a metaphor for big government control here, big time (and maybe for marijuana? I'm not sure on that one). It also links back to what the assassin hunting River said to Mal about dreaming of a universe with no anger or hatred, and being okay with doing evil things to get there. Also totally explains why The Alliance has been hunting River so hard.

-I liked Mal's line a lot: "they're never going to stop trying to make us...better." No one can "make" us better. That's something we can only do ourselves.

-The chase seen through the Reevers and the Alliance ships was insane. I'm not really sure how Serenity got from Miranda to one of the central planets so fast, but still, very, very cool. "I'm a leaf on the wind." RIP Wash.

-I like that Serenity is upping the stakes. That it isn't just "a job" anymore, now the job means something.
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-Kaylee and Simon's goodbye was just great, and so Joss. "You mean to say...sex? To hell with this. I'm gonna live!"

-I liked the final fight between Mal and the assassin. Very epic. Not really sure how Mal recovered so fast from that nerve punch though. However, making the operative watch the video from Miranda was cool.

-Thought for sure Simon was dead. River's last 15 minutes of this movie just owned. Seriously, everything she did was incredible. And was I the only one who noticed the pretty striking resemblance to Buffy S3 "Anne" with that axe, when the camera cuts up to her face?

-I like that they left it open-ended, with room for more Firefly if it ever gets picked up. Mal's final speech to River seemed like Joss talking to the audience. You have to do what you love.


Final Thoughts:

I really, really enjoyed the movie. It was fun seeing the series on the big screen. The action was great and Joss really succeeded in creating an awesome bad guy. He wasn't just cookie-cutter assassin by any means. However, the third act felt a little rushed. I thought it built and flowed really well right through to the reveal on Miranda, and I loved all of that, but after that everything just sort of came together pretty instantly. Like, they jumped from Miranda to the next planet pretty fast. And Mal and the operative at the end took some pretty massive hits against one another, like bone-crippling shots, and they both walked away pretty easily. Not really sure how that happened. Also, Serenity got basically destroyed in that landing and then was just repaired.

One thing I really liked was the attempt to wrap up the biggest and best mysteries of the series, as while it's always there, the chances of more Firefly are slipping away. Finding out about the Reevers and connecting them so well with River was very cool. Having Jayne, who didn't have as large a role in the movie as I would have liked, be the first to side with Mal heading into the third act was a cool piece of character development. And of course, River just stole this movie.

But those flaws aside, the ending action scenes were just incredible. River fighting waves of Reevers, Wash flying Serenity through everything in the galaxy, Jayne and Zoe holding the line against the Reevers, Mal's battle with the operative, all of it was awesome. Very good movie.

Thoughts on the series:

I really enjoyed the re-watch. There wasn't a single episode that I disliked or was bored by. It ended well with the movie, and the back nine of the season was just awesome. It really heated up well. The natural chemistry the cast had, pretty much right from the beginning, was just amazing.

I think that my favorite character was Jayne. This was one of the rare, rare series that I really enjoyed and where the main character wasn't my favorite. I liked Mal a lot, and both he and Nathan Fillion filled the role beautifully. Jayne though was just hilarious. He was almost the perfect supporting character. By the end of the series and the movie, River was a close second.

Firefly is one of my favorite T.V. shows, but at the same time I can see why it didn't take off on a larger scale. You have to be a big fan of Joss' humor and his writing style, and while I don't really understand why, I know that some aren't. Space cowboys in the future is also a little tough to wrap your head around if you don't approach the series with an open mind. Still, it's sad that there wasn't more than one season and a movie. I already miss it!
 
Seriously. Who had the idea of having "Space pirates on the run" as a tagline?

On to the movie itself.

It's important to remember that the movie isn't just to give closure to the tv-show but also to introduce new viewers to the whole world and hopefully make fans of them. So we see some things fans of the show already know and even altered a bit. Try not to let that bug you.

Yes, the teacher is Tamara Taylor. More known as Cam on Bones.

Ok, way more info, both about River but also the escape. Of course, here Simon gets to know that she's both psychic but can also be a dangerous weapon.

Putting a psychic with key members of Parliament. Good thinking doc, good thinking.

Bad guy is a samurai. Or something like that.

Now we need to get to know the characters.
First, Serentity. She's not in the best shape. Check.
Mal is captain.
Wash is fun.
Ah, another t-shirt quote of mine.
"Define interesting.
Oh God, Oh God. We're all gonna die?"
Jayne loves his weapons.
Zoe is married to Wash and seems to be second in command. Is it just me or did she sound way peppier than in the show?
Kaylee, the mechanic. And cute. Very cute.
"You told me those entry couplings would hold for another week!
That was six months ago.
My ship don't crash." Maybe not, but it can get stranded in the middle of nowhere. Not the same thing I guess.

"Shiny. Lets be bad guys."

Love River all through these scenes. Could probably use everything she says as quotes. Don't miss her face expressions.

Jayne being concerned about River.

Here comes the reavers. Soon 20 minutes are we done with the introductions now? Besides the two obvious ones missing.

To Simon "Are you ok?
Is he ok?" *Gets attacked by a reaver*

Simon wanting off the ship and Mal agrees. Oh oh. That can't be good.

Zoe isn't happy with Mal's decisions and clearly showing it. I wonder if that makes Wash happy.

Here comes the mentions of Book and Inara. 28 minutes.

"Going on a year now, I ain't had nothing twixt my nethers... weren't run on batteries.
Oh God. I can't know that.
I could stand to hear a little more."

Not only can River shoot, she fights pretty decent too. Simon got a phrase to make her go to sleep. Yeah, that's new.

"If I speak the words...
Don't say it!
It only works on her, Jayne.
Well, now I know that." Oh, Jayne, Jayne, Jayne.

"Why when I talk about belief, why do you always assume I'm talking about God?" A very good question. Not that there's much time to discuss it now.

"I wasn't always a shepard, Mal.
Have to tell me about that sometime. (Yes please)
No, I don't."

Wash: Inara. Nice to see her again.
Zoe: So... trap?
Mal: Trap.
Zoe: Are we going in?
Mal: Oh, it ain't but a few hours out.
Wash: Yeah, but, remember the part where it's a trap?"

"Kaylee: But how can you be sure Inara don't just wanna see you? Sometimes people have feelings. And I'm referring here to people.
Mal: You all were watching, I take it?
Kaylee: Yes.
Mal: Did you see us fight?
Kaylee: No.
Mal: Trap."

"Yes, I've read a poem. Try not to faint."

"I've staked my crew's life on the theory you're a person... actual and whole, and if I'm wrong, you'd best shot my now.
*cocks gun*
Or we could talk more." 😀

Evil, evil, evil bad guy. Book dies. 🙁 Which although sad is nothing compared to what he's done to everyone that's helped the crew in the past, including loads of innocents. Especially children.

Now to make an attempt to fly through reaver territory. Gutsy or just plain stupid? Leave it to Mal to make the difficult decisions.

Hello ghost town. Or ghost planet even.

"She's starting to damage my calm"

The origin of reavers. At least we now know where they came from and what drove them to behave like the do.

"No more running" Hmm, that sounds familiar.

"I aim to misbehave"

"If you can't do something smart, do something right"

"Call in every ship." Not taking any chances are we?

Uppsetting the reavers so they follow. You're right Mal. The operative and alliance didn't see this coming. Although, surely they have must know about it being reaver territory.

Someone's losing their calm and it isn't Jayne. 😀

"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."

Jayne going around making sure everyone is strapped. Once again, not putting himself first.

No, no, no, no, no! :bawling: Not Wash. Please.

No time to mourn. Get going. Finish the mission.

Jayne more or less scared to death while Zoe's keeping calm despite the situation and the death of Wash.

Simon finally saying the right words to Kaylee. Gets the right response.
"Hell with this. I'm gonna live."

"You've always taken care of me. My turn."

Got to give it to Mal. He's tough.

Mission complete, River's even more bad ass than you could imagine and the operative got some sense. Now to take care of the dead, wounded and a crashed ship.

Simon and Kaylee get together. Finally. And River is watching...
Mal and Inara might have a chance anyway. River's back to being cute. For the moment.

Love the last scene.
 
I have nothing more to add, everybody else summed it up perfectly, especially [MENTION=11975]Always Bangel[/MENTION].
80 inches+surround sound+Blu-Ray+Serenity=Awesome.
I don't have surround sound but I do have a bigger TV than 80 inches, so yeah, pretty awesome. A friend of mine & I have been toying around with chairing a Can't Stop the Serenity Screening next summer, and now I really might do it just even to see it on the big screen!

I was a bit disappointed that we didn't have more of Shephard Book, but other than that I loved the entire thing.

When Jayne is playing the guitar at the campfire, is that The Ballad of Jayne we hear, or the Firefly theme?

I haven't watched all the extras yet, but I plan to. Thanks [MENTION=8013]Washburne[/MENTION] for the info about the secret Easter Egg, I'll check it out.
 
I liked the intro. Hey Cam from Bones! Geez there were tons of people involved with Firefly.

So did Simon know all along that River was a weapon or are they rewriting history?

Kinda brutal seeing Mal throw that guy ti the reevers, even if he didn't do it with malice and shot the guy to save him the horrific death.

Again, why aren't they using River to fight?

Ohhh Mal sure is extra angry when he is missing Inara.

Kaylee sticking up to Mal is great!

Kaylee and Zoe's hair looks awesome! So pretty. 🙂

River's dream reminded me a little of the dream Buffy had about the first slayer.

REALLY?! Jayne is trying to get River again? Did he not learn his lesson the first time?

Good plan bringing the reevers to the Alliance.

Aw, Jayne checking everyone's seatbelts. Guess he does have a heart.

Poor Wash! 🙁 Wow, Zoe really pulled herself together quickly.

River is such a badass.

I loved seeing Wash, Shepard and Mr. Universe all buried together.

So sweet seeing everyone working together to rebuild Serenity.

lol, River peeping at Simon and Kaylee.


Overall thoughts:

The show was slow to grow on me but I ended up really liking it and wishing there was more. I really feel like they could have told do much more story if given the chance.

Have you guys read the comics? Are the good? Should I read them?
 
I would be tempted to say that we've seen the last of any live action "Firefly" or a "Serenity 2," except for the history of another cult classic science fiction series, "Star Trek," Years after the series ended, "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" was made and barely managed to make a profit, pretty much like "Serenity's" performance. It wasn't until "The Wrath Of Kahn," that the "Star Trek" movie franchise really got going well. "Serenity" could do the same thing with a sequel, assuming that the actors could be assembled once more for long enough to make the show.

That's assuming, of course, that Joss can break away from his "Avenger" movies for long enough to do it.
 
So did Simon know all along that River was a weapon or are they rewriting history?
That is my only (well, second) complaint about the movie. It makes it seem that Simon knew a lot more about what happened to River than he let on in the tv series.

Have you guys read the comics? Are the good? Should I read them?
They're ok. Except A Shepherd's Tale- that was brilliant!!

I would be tempted to say that we've seen the last of any live action "Firefly" or a "Serenity 2," except for the history of another cult classic science fiction series, "Star Trek," Years after the series ended, "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" was made and barely managed to make a profit, pretty much like "Serenity's" performance. It wasn't until "The Wrath Of Kahn," that the "Star Trek" movie franchise really got going well. "Serenity" could do the same thing with a sequel, assuming that the actors could be assembled once more for long enough to make the show.

That's assuming, of course, that Joss can break away from his "Avenger" movies for long enough to do it.
I could just kiss you for this!
 
agree with Vision Girl, comics are pretty good, but A Shepherds Tale is amazing, I would recommend it for anyone
 
I loved serenity at first, but then when re-watching the series, and the movie right after.. it seems like mal is just.. really a JERK 🙁

I wish we could have had a continuation of the series instead, but im glad we got the movie!!
 
Well, I finally watched the movie while [MENTION=8885]nightshade[/MENTION] and @_937 were visiting. I didn't have computer in hand, so my general thoughts:

-Do not watch this movie on a BlueRay player.
-Not enough Inara
-Stupid Joss killed off two of my favorite characters
-I am SO glad the Alliance got what's coming to them.
-Good storyline about why you shouldn't blindly follow any one person/theory without thorough research.
-That last funeral scene was just heart-wrenching.
-Simon and Kaylee finally get together! YAY!
-River found her purpose. And it was epic.
-Glad to find out the story behind the reavers. it never quite made sense to me.
-I wish we had heard about Shepherd's past life, just because I'm curious!

Since I'm watching S7 of Buffy now, I see parallels between Buffy and Mal. They are leaders; they make hard decisions; they know not everyone will make it but they have to keep fighting. I really did love the series and the characters. the overall cast on this show has more chemistry than any other one I've seen, I think. Glad I watched!!
 
-I wish we had heard about Shepherd's past life, just because I'm curious!
Have you read The Shepards tale?

It's not totally satisfying but at least better than nothing.


I really did love the series and the characters. the overall cast on this show has more chemistry than any other one I've seen, I think. Glad I watched!!
The chemistry between the cast is awesome both on and off screen. How they all (or most of them) still keep in touch and hang out give me lots of fuzzy feelings. I know it doesn't matter as to the quality of the show but things like that makes me like the show even more.
 
Have you read The Shepards tale?

It's not totally satisfying but at least better than nothing.



The chemistry between the cast is awesome both on and off screen. How they all (or most of them) still keep in touch and hang out give me lots of fuzzy feelings. I know it doesn't matter as to the quality of the show but things like that makes me like the show even more.

I have not read A Shepard's Tale, but I have been told to look into it.

I know, I love it when casts are friends off-screen, too! I don't know why, but I get the warm fuzzies as well. 😀
 
Washburne
Washburne
Not so sure about good but it makes it easier for sure.
I have not read A Shepard's Tale, but I have been told to look into it.

You got me questioning my memory right there. Ok, so an A or a The isn't a big difference and maybe you wrote wrong by mistake. But just so there's no confusion in case there are A shepard's tale I mean the one with a The. Yeah, sorry about this post. My mind isn't in best shape.


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PassionBecoming
PassionBecoming
Images are good for the brain. :P
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